Faulgor wrote: »

ZOS_MandiParker wrote: »

We also know that Justice's stolen items are now making things trickier to manage because (when compounded with so many crafting supplies) players usually hit inventory and bank caps very quickly. In order to ameliorate this friction, we plan to not only provide additional ways to expand your inventory limit, but we also are working on ways to make your crafting materials much more manageable.

Crown Store Inventory Slots confirmed.

First crown store item I would consider buying!

As a suggestion, you can do what my girlfriend and I do, we each have a guild and each guild has ten members (eight not including us) and that way we have two 500-slot guild banks all to ourselves. One is for decon items/traits/trait stones/racial stones/Blacksmithing/Clothing/Woodworking stuff and the other is for everything else, basically just Alchemy/Enchanting/Provisioning stuff and various consumables/misc items.

This means we have a total of 1,000 slots + two fully upgraded banks + our characters, it amounts to over 2,000 slots and is more than enough.

The way we originally did it was to just invite friends with a free slot but we've recently changed, a popular key-selling website currently has the "base" ESO game for £6, so we bought eight of those keys, registered them all and invited each to our guilds. If you do this solo just buy nine keys, register them all and invite them to a guild you create and boom, you have your own private guild bank! On the plus side, you can have some of those alt accounts create guilds and invite the other accounts you just bought to those guilds and you could potentially have ten guild banks; all to yourself!

Remember too, nine keys costs £54, that's basically the same price as ESO: TU currently is on Steam, so for the full price of your game (again) you will never have to worry about inventory slots again. Without my girlfriend and I doing this the game would be unplayable for both of us due to a chronic lack of inventory space. We find two guild banks is the sweet-spot as it balances using up guild slots with having enough space and not having to relog and mail items to get them, it is the perfect balance!

So, to TL;DR: Spend ~£54 at a popular key-selling site, register them all, invite to a guild you create and you have your own personal guild bank (or ten, depending on what you fancy doing) and never have to worry about inventory slots again.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

ZOS_MandiParker wrote: »

We also know that Justice's stolen items are now making things trickier to manage because (when compounded with so many crafting supplies) players usually hit inventory and bank caps very quickly. In order to ameliorate this friction, we plan to not only provide additional ways to expand your inventory limit, but we also are working on ways to make your crafting materials much more manageable.

Crown Store Inventory Slots confirmed.

First crown store item I would consider buying!

If it is in addition to and separated from the in game slots bought with gold, me too. I just hope it doesn't let you skip paying the gold in game for the current limit and instead has its own cap apart from the normal one. God knows ESO has too few goldsinks as is which is already starting to drastically inflate the economy as money changes hands rather than ever being removed from circulation, and there isn't much to even spend it on that doesn't just go to another player. Unless we want 1500g per tripot potion (150k a stack) in 6 months due to inflation, we definitely don't want to see more current goldsinks removed when wnalready need them badly. Let us buy an extra batch of inventory or bank slots with crowns, not counting towards or changing the in game gold cost and upgrade limits, and we'll be well off.

Anyone still having difficulty with inventory should consider the following:

1. This is not a game that gives everything to you right out of the starting gate, and money sinks are needed so that the in-game economy doesn't stagnate - you can increase your inventory and bank, but it requires you to spend gold.

2. With 8 characters with maxed bag space, riding skill maxed for capacity, and maxed bank, you have 1600 storage slots. How many more do you need and why? NO you cannot get it on day 1, work for it and pay for it like the rest of us have done!!!!

Epona222 wrote: »

Anyone still having difficulty with inventory should consider the following:

1. This is not a game that gives everything to you right out of the starting gate, and money sinks are needed so that the in-game economy doesn't stagnate - you can increase your inventory and bank, but it requires you to spend gold.

2. With 8 characters with maxed bag space, riding skill maxed for capacity, and maxed bank, you have 1600 storage slots. How many more do you need and why? NO you cannot get it on day 1, work for it and pay for it like the rest of us have done!!!!

Thanks, but I already have done more than all of that. The problem arises when you have hundreds of material types that don't stack, and many of them only go to 200 nowadays (used to be 100 in the past). Add in that the majority of crafted goods don't even stack past one unit each once finished, set items are constantly nerfed or are soon found to be great with balance changes so it's folly to dump most of the moderate or good ones, and we end up with an incredible inventory crunch.

And I have 24 toons . It's very, very tedious, and it's definitely not fun. It's needlessly complicated and frequent a need to shuffle items instead of actually playing the game .

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Anyone still having difficulty with inventory should consider the following:

1. This is not a game that gives everything to you right out of the starting gate, and money sinks are needed so that the in-game economy doesn't stagnate - you can increase your inventory and bank, but it requires you to spend gold.

2. With 8 characters with maxed bag space, riding skill maxed for capacity, and maxed bank, you have 1600 storage slots. How many more do you need and why? NO you cannot get it on day 1, work for it and pay for it like the rest of us have done!!!!

Thanks, but I already have done more than all of that. The problem arises when you have hundreds of material types that don't stack, and many of them only go to 200 nowadays (used to be 100 in the past). Add in that the majority of crafted goods don't even stack past one unit each once finished, set items are constantly nerfed or are soon found to be great with balance changes so it's folly to dump most of the moderate or good ones, and we end up with an incredible inventory crunch.

And I have 24 toons . It's very, very tedious, and it's definitely not fun. It's needlessly complicated and frequent a need to shuffle items instead of actually playing the game .

OMG join a trading guild or 3 and sell some of that stuff, I thought I was bad, just SELL STUFF YOU DON'T NEED.

I feel as though I am speaking a language that no-one else understands

Epona222 wrote: »

Cernow wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Anyone still having difficulty with inventory should consider the following:

1. This is not a game that gives everything to you right out of the starting gate, and money sinks are needed so that the in-game economy doesn't stagnate - you can increase your inventory and bank, but it requires you to spend gold.

2. With 8 characters with maxed bag space, riding skill maxed for capacity, and maxed bank, you have 1600 storage slots. How many more do you need and why? NO you cannot get it on day 1, work for it and pay for it like the rest of us have done!!!!

Yes, because asking players to log in 8 different characters every day over the course of several months just to have an adequate storage system is such a wonderful gameplay experience. Not to mention all the joy of logging in and out of all those mules trying to find something you've stored.

And what if you actually decide you want to .... gasp shock horror .... PLAY with one of those mules that has their inventory stuffed to the gunnels? Well good luck with that.

The issue is not one of gold sinks. Nor is it one of investing effort into the game. Most players realise you don't get everything out of the gate and don't mind investing time and effort to upgrade a well designed system. The issue here is a poorly designed system that needs some adjustment and tuning.

Constant inventory juggling is not a fun gameplay experience and adds nothing to the game. Thankfully it sounds like the devs are at least considering some changes.

I do actually play with all 8 characters - just sell or destroy some of the stuff that you don't need, it's not rocket science. My point is that 1600 storage slots you should be able to easily keep on hand the mats that you need, just get rid of stuff that you don't need! If each character has 100 inventory slots filled with crap that you need for god knows what, you can still play with 70 spare inventory slots..... If you have every inventory slot on every character filled, and every bank slot filled, then you need to think about the stuff you are hoarding. At that point, it is not necessarily the game's fault.

Sigh the classic "answer" from a few people who have a certain way to play.

And want to force everyone else to play their way.

Epona222 wrote: »

OMG join a trading guild or 3 and sell some of that stuff, I thought I was bad, just SELL STUFF YOU DON'T NEED.

I feel as though I am speaking a language that no-one else understands

I understand your language fine; I just flat out think you are wrong.

How do I know I don't need some of that stuff?

I haven't used all my character slots, and I have no intention of wasting half of them on bank-mules, so I may need some of that lower-level stuff when I come to play an Alt or two.

The Guild system in this game (the ability to join multiple guilds) is nothing more than a semi-functioning sticking-plaster to try and hide the gaping would of non-functionality and non-accessibility within the trade system; it is also an attempt to mask a lack of forward planning at the game-design phase which now means joining a Guild is account based, rather than in just about every other, sensible, MMORPG character based.

All The Best

Romo wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Cernow wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Anyone still having difficulty with inventory should consider the following:

1. This is not a game that gives everything to you right out of the starting gate, and money sinks are needed so that the in-game economy doesn't stagnate - you can increase your inventory and bank, but it requires you to spend gold.

2. With 8 characters with maxed bag space, riding skill maxed for capacity, and maxed bank, you have 1600 storage slots. How many more do you need and why? NO you cannot get it on day 1, work for it and pay for it like the rest of us have done!!!!

Yes, because asking players to log in 8 different characters every day over the course of several months just to have an adequate storage system is such a wonderful gameplay experience. Not to mention all the joy of logging in and out of all those mules trying to find something you've stored.

And what if you actually decide you want to .... gasp shock horror .... PLAY with one of those mules that has their inventory stuffed to the gunnels? Well good luck with that.

The issue is not one of gold sinks. Nor is it one of investing effort into the game. Most players realise you don't get everything out of the gate and don't mind investing time and effort to upgrade a well designed system. The issue here is a poorly designed system that needs some adjustment and tuning.

Constant inventory juggling is not a fun gameplay experience and adds nothing to the game. Thankfully it sounds like the devs are at least considering some changes.

I do actually play with all 8 characters - just sell or destroy some of the stuff that you don't need, it's not rocket science. My point is that 1600 storage slots you should be able to easily keep on hand the mats that you need, just get rid of stuff that you don't need! If each character has 100 inventory slots filled with crap that you need for god knows what, you can still play with 70 spare inventory slots..... If you have every inventory slot on every character filled, and every bank slot filled, then you need to think about the stuff you are hoarding. At that point, it is not necessarily the game's fault.

Sigh the classic "answer" from a few people who have a certain way to play.

And want to force everyone else to play their way.

Those "few people" are called.... the Developers.

Honestly, add Trophies to the collection system and I am golden.

I have 1 main. He is now an active master of all crafts. My bank is filled with the mat stacks for various crafts. I have 3 alts. They are mostly not mules but actively played characters, except for the one character who is holding the aforementioned trophies. My bank size is 220, my main has fully maxed the horse carrying capacity upgrade as well as his personal bank.

I usually have 80-85 out of 170 spaces full when I start a play session (leaving me 85-90 spaces free to pick up stuff) and a lot of the pre-filled spaces are for raw mats that will just stack as I pick them up anyway. I usually play in 1-2 hour bursts but even when I get enough free time (rare) to do a 2-3 hour session I almost never run out of inventory space (and I don't visit the decon/bank every half an our either). I tend to spend about 10 minutes at the end of each session with the items I have picked up. This time includes everything from selling junk, setting aside items for research, putting stuff into the bank and even on crafting new potions and food.

Quite honestly I am finding the inventory system in this game comparatively easy. I am not attempting to say that everyone should do it my way or even that other people are doing it wrong. It is just that I do not understand how they can be having such trouble with it when, with about 15 minutes of thought devoted to planning when I understood the mechanics of the system, I have never encountered similar problems at all.

The big caveat to the above statement is Trophies. Trophies should have been out of our inventories from day one. They are the one reason I broke my "no mule rule", I refused to suffer on the basis of one stupid decision. The rest? No problem.

I basically have all 8 character slots used.
I have my main who hit vet, respecked the skill points and am currently craft grinding him. He holds alchemy mats.
I have three alts that I play, but store specific mais on them at the end of the playing session which are banked when I play them. One for Blacksmithing, one for woodworking and tailoring and another for enchanting.
I have an ingredient mule, a stone/gem mule and another for trophies, surveys, tresure maps and motifs.

And these are because I am a hoarder.

When my main max's his Bsmithing,Wworking and tailoring those two respective alts will no longer be encumbered with the need to hold all of those mats. Now that my main already has provisioning done, I only need certain ingredients to make those two specific recipies (tri-stats FTW) and I will do the same with alchemy.

Enchanting..... ugh. I grind the two of them off of each other because it is the most reliable way to level up enchanting when no one in your guilds like to share; even when one of them hits max I will keep the few mats around.

Iluvrien wrote: »

Quite honestly I am finding the inventory system in this game comparatively easy. I am not attempting to say that everyone should do it my way or even that other people are doing it wrong. It is just that I do not understand how they can be having such trouble with it when, with about 15 minutes of thought devoted to planning when I understood the mechanics of the system, I have never encountered similar problems at all.

Its not about the "problem" of doing it.

It really took you 15 minutes to think about how to do it? 15 Minutes?

Its about the inconvenience.

I play games for "fun" not to experience the "inconvenience of bad design".

Its almost as if the many lessons learned by the MMORPG industry over the years are in some esoteric language Zeni doesn't understand yet.

All The Best

Happy to hear more inventory solutions are on the way! Can't wait to have more inventory space!

Prior to the updates to provisioning, I had a lot more bank space, because I only carried ingredients that I used for my level. Now I literally need everything! It's definitely a robust system now, and I think it's better for the game. I could get rid of things I know I won't use too. But I think provisioning is the number one inventory killer now. Enchanting can also be rough, but it's far more manageable.

It really boils down to what you want to achieve with crafting. If you want to merchant it, you have to specialize somewhere. There really is no money to be made in provisioning or alchemy unless you enjoy relentless farming for next to nothing margins.

After beating all the solo content, maxing out my bank space and having 150 spaces on a single character, I tend to sit around 200 items in my bank, and 20 on my person.

Most people have already said it, but the game isn't really designed for you to do all crafting professions at the same time on one character. Besides the fact that your inventory space may not support it, you'll have trouble getting enough skill points to craft all professions until very late in the game.

I've got my crafting split over 3 characters. My main crafts armor and weapons (blacksmith, clothier, woodworker), another alt is doing apothecary and enchanting. My third character is a provisioner. It helps me share my inventory a bit better and the skill points.

Early in the game, the only thing you should really be spending money on is upgrading your horse (bag inventory first), upgrading your personal bag space and upgrading your bank space. There's really nothing worth spending money on until you get into the later vet ranks and you start looking for specific gear or nirnhorned items for research purposes.

ZOS_MandiParker wrote: »

Hey folks! Don’t fret! We are actively working on ways to make inventory more manageable for you in a few different ways. We’ve already finished the Provisioning Revamp, which has greatly improved the amount of space required for an active Provisioner, and we have implemented the Collections System in order to further reduce inventory clutter by removing pets and costumes from your inventory list. This is because we know that the inventory dance is fairly time consuming for crafters especially, and we wanted to make things easier to manage overall for everybody.

We also know that Justice's stolen items are now making things trickier to manage because (when compounded with so many crafting supplies) players usually hit inventory and bank caps very quickly. In order to ameliorate this friction, we plan to not only provide additional ways to expand your inventory limit, but we also are working on ways to make your crafting materials much more manageable.

We’re not quite ready to discuss details on this, but it’s something that we are working on right now. When we have solidified the functionality and have some firm ETAs, we will update you all on these new features!

One can only dream for a GW2 material management...