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THE REAL (2.0): Why do you PvP? What do you care about?

WRX
WRX
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Okay this one worked!

Essentially what is it that keeps you playing PvP? Do you want to win campaigns? Do you just want to have fun competitive fights? Make AP? Hang with friends?
Edited by WRX on May 14, 2015 5:41AM
Decibel GM

GLUB GLUB

THE REAL (2.0): Why do you PvP? What do you care about? 184 votes

A: I want to win the campaign.
3%
k1llorbek1lledPlague_ScaleAnnraCyrdemaceb17_ESOTorquebowcoolermh 6 votes
B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
56%
driosketchThe_DrexillAlomarEzarethAnthony.C.Harwell_ESOkevlarto_ESObosmern_ESORook_MasterMisterBigglesworthNordJitsuSythiasrich.magab14a_ESOKelletonArmitasRadioheadSh0tAstienZhoyzuPerphectionSentinelCinnamon_Spider 104 votes
C: I want to make AP.
9%
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I want to avoid lag
10%
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AD
1%
AproditekijimaBOLTERITY 3 votes
BD
17%
cozmon3c_ESOPoxheartManoekinIllumousObservantAndferneOughashJaurielAnath_QFMonkhammayolettucePudinSoulScreamSypherTrayyacakesLhorionSRIBESaco5712glaviusGhostbane 33 votes
CD
0%
Kaghei 1 vote
  • Kelleton
    Kelleton
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    B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
    B-C but that wasn't an option.

    I started PVP for skill points now I just do it cause PVE has had no new content
  • WRX
    WRX
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    BD
    Kelleton wrote: »
    B-C but that wasn't an option.

    I started PVP for skill points now I just do it cause PVE has had no new content

    If I could of added all the options I would have, but it kept bugging out haha
    Decibel GM

    GLUB GLUB
  • Winnamine
    Winnamine
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    I feel like none of these options apply to me....
    Where's the "I want to autorun into trees while I send tells" option?

    And you are so pro at the forums <3
    Winni
    ~
    VE
    Decibel
  • Teargrants
    Teargrants
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    You left out option: I PvP so I can blinky blink and make ppl QQ on the forums.
    POST EQVITEM SEDET ATRA CVRA
    ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
    EP ※ Teargrants ※
    EP ※ Kissgrants ※
    DC ※ Kirsi ※
    Vehemence Council
    #JustOutOfRenderRange
    ~Teargrants YouTube~
    ┬┴┬┴┤(・_├┬┴┬┴
  • Soris
    Soris
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    I want to avoid lag
    THERE IS NO "D"
    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • Ffastyl
    Ffastyl
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    B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
    The original reason I came to PvP is because I ran out of PvE. But I stay for the fights. They are engaging and demanding in a different way from PvE, and I like it. I still PvE when I find something to do, but I like to PvP as well. :)

    Just fight with honor and you're good in my book.
    Unless we're exploring, then I fight to survive, using every dirty trick up my sock.
    "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

    PC NA
    Daggerfall Covenant

    Ffastyl - Level 50 Templar
    Arturus Amitis - Level 50 Nightblade
    Sulac the Wanderer - Level 50 Dragonknight
    Arcturus Leland - Level 50 Sorcerer
    Azrog rus-Oliphet - Level 50 Templar
    Tienc - Level 50 Warden
    Aldmeri Dominion
    Ashen Willow Knight - Level 50 Templar
    Champion Rank 938

    Check out:
    Old vs New Intro Cinematics


    "My strength is that I have no weaknesses. My weakness is that I have no strengths."
    Member since May 4th, 2014.
  • bosmern_ESO
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    B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
    PvP really lets classes show their true potential, PvE all you do is follow a button sequence and thats all.

    whether it be 1v1, 1vX, XvX, GvG I love fighting people who know what they are doing, even if I hate them. It sucks that PvP is as ignored as it is.

    Also for those Dticks.
    ~Thallen~
  • Scamandros
    Scamandros
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    I stay for the compelling story about a chef in cropsford trying to foster a goblin
    Aeryj
    Fantasia
    Blades of Vengeance


    Mighty Eagle by serjustin19 for your viewing convenience.
    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle.
    I fell out of my nest

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I screech I screech
    but no one hears me

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I started to wonder off
    I want to come back but lost my way.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I came face to face
    Of Mighty Lion

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I came to fall in love with Mighty Lion
    Who's claws is sharp and just

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Then suddenly
    Mighty Dragon Came

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Dragon roared aloud
    Who's mighty paws make earthquake
    that quivers underneath our feet

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Soon battle rages
    Between the Mighty Lion and Mighty Dragon

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    My heart grows heavy
    For who do I belong in Scourge PS4 EU

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I continue to battle.
    But Battle I must do within myself

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I screech, I screech
    Long and hard. I made a fuss

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Then suddenly
    As if I was dreaming

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I heard a screech
    But suddenly, I attack Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle had to defend

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I know I was fighting for Mighty Lion
    So I fought back.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I attack I attack
    But to no avail

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    The Mighty claws who's mighty claws
    Felt unnatural to me and very clumsy to me

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Why I have chosen to not stay with you
    I do not know. I am complicated at that.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I have destroyed Mighty Eagle
    My own kin in Scourge PS4 EU

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I crawled into a ball
    Weep to no avail

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Lost in my whirling thoughts
    My heart and mind is clouded

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I have served Mighty Lion over a year
    I thought Mighty Lion is were I belong anew

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I finally contacted
    Mighty Eagle

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle says they love me
    In reality I love them also.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I continued to clash
    At Mighty Eagle however

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    But clashing with Mighty Eagle
    Just not feel right


    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I have made a wrong choice I now believe
    Terrible and unjust of what I did

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    For am I not a monster
    For attacking a faction who loves me instead

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I was wrong
    Mighty Eagle was right

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Come. Please take me back Mighty Eagle
    For I believe I now know

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Were I truly belong
    For indeed I thought

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    That Mighty Lion
    Is were I belong.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    O how I was so wrong Mighty Eagle
    I was gravely wrong and such a fool I was.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    You have met
    Princess Justine

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Princess Justine who attacked
    Mighty Eagle

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I know this was wrong
    And so to does Princess Justine

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    With our clashing together
    I now know were I truly belong in Scourge PS4 EU I believe.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Have you all not heard
    The famous saying. That is very wise and so very true?

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Let me repeat the famous saying
    that is very wise and so true

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    It is
    My Enemy, Enemy's, Enemy's
    Is my friend

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I come to thee Mighty Eagle
    And so to Princess Justine.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Who used to serve Mighty Lion
    But Now serve Mighty Eagle
    For the very first time in her career.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Princess Justine and are one in the same
    Were I go. She will go to. For she believes it is right choice

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    We are all yours
    O Mighty Eagle

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    No one else but you
    I feel peaceful. Unafraid

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I belong to you O mighty Eagle
    I am so relieved to hear myself to say that

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Princess Justine and I


    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Now flies and fights alongside with Mighty Eagle
    Who's Mighty talons stand for sacred Freedom

    Written by Serjustin19
    Written on this day
    September 27. The day when My troubled mind is not clouded no longer.
    In the year of my troubles end
  • kewl
    kewl
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    My guild.
  • mtwiggz
    mtwiggz
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    BD
    Realistically A, B, C and the unlettered D. Given the choices B and D are the two most prominent. Unfortunately as of late it seems any good fights turn into a ridiculous lagfest. Prior to 1.6 the lag was there, but it seems to have gotten a lot worse.

    Focusing on small scale PvP recently. It's really no fun to run around in circles dealing/receiving no damage for 10-20 minutes spamming the same keys over and over again.
    Edited by mtwiggz on May 14, 2015 9:45AM
  • Leovolao
    Leovolao
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    I stay for tea bags and to troll the needy people looking for group in zone chat.
    tea pot


    "What if my problem wasn't that I don't understand people but that I don't like them?"
  • kevlarto_ESO
    kevlarto_ESO
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    B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
    I want good fights ebb and flow pvp open field battles sieges going , I would just like to have pvp as the dev's envisioned it, and the one thing not in the poll "FUN".... Winning is good but for me not required to have a good time, and like Cody says below I did not buy this game to do just one thing like AP farm, I hate it when I log in and the map is all one color, even if it is my own faction owing the map, to me that is a sad and boing day in cyrodiil until the other factions start getting involved.
    Edited by kevlarto_ESO on May 14, 2015 12:25PM
  • Cody
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    B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
    I certainly did not buy the game to do nothing but AP farm.

    as for winning.... i could really care less(the rewards suck anyway, save the large chunks of gold, and even then i can make more thieving) I want fun, fair, and engaging fights.
  • Manoekin
    Manoekin
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    BD
    Fights with no lag :)
  • FireCowCommando
    FireCowCommando
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    BD
    WRX... How could you allow yourself to let making friends, and ERP not be in the poll. I thought the time we spent together was magical, but this makes me question your true feelings :'(

    I think im going to move on and watch some Winnie the poo while i eat some Barbaque.

    @#$%* I signed up for the Zenimax cable internet and tv service and NOTHING is working!!! They gave me free bonus crowns for signing up but the entire store is empty! I tried calling their customer support to cancel my service but they just kept laughing at me while repeating, 'lets 1v1 in imperial city bro'.

    What is 1v1? What is Imperial City? @#(!&
  • Minnesinger
    Minnesinger
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    B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
    B, C and D all sound good. A with some conditions. If B is applicable to that campign A is a nice bonus. Went with B because it is the best fun of all.
    A is for Atronach.
    B is for Bungler's Bane.
    C is for Comberry.
  • AhPook_Is_Here
    AhPook_Is_Here
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    Why isn't ERP an option?
    “Whatever.”
    -Unknown American
  • frozywozy
    frozywozy
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    I vote abcd
    Frozn - Stamdk - AR50
    Frosted - Magplar - AR50
    Frodn - Magden - AR50
    Warmed - Magblade - AR50
    Mmfrozy - Magsorc - AR44
    Necrozn - Magcro - AR32
    Twitch.TV/FrozyTV
    PvP Group Builds

    “Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.” -Eleanor Roosevelt
    • Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
    • Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
    • Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
    • Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
    • Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
    • Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
    • Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
    • Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
    • Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
    • Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
    • Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
    • Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
    • Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
    • Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
    • Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
    • Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
    • Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
    • Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
    • Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
    • Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
    • Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
    • Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
    • Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
    • Introduce dynamic population
    • Lower population cap by 20%
    • Add Snare Immunity potions
    • Bring resurrection sickness
    • Fix character desync
    • Fix cc breaking bug
    • Fix gap closer bug
    • Fix health desync
    • Fix combat bug
    • Fix streak bug
    • Fix server lag
  • ToRelax
    ToRelax
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    Eh... I want good fights and I want to help my faction win... I don't want lag and I try to avoid it, but it's not what I play for lol... and I don't care much about AP...
    DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
    The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...

    Elo'dryel - Sorc - AR 50 - Hopesfire - EP EU
  • Sypher
    Sypher
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    BD
    I want competitive fights and no lag.




    ARENA



    BATTLEGROUND?


    DUELING


    DC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher

    Youtube: www.youtube.com/SypherPK
    Twitch: www.twitch.tv/SypherPK
  • tonemd
    tonemd
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    Terrible poll but anyway:

    A through C

    I don't pvp to "avoid lag". :/
    Edited by tonemd on May 14, 2015 2:45PM
  • Observant
    Observant
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    BD
    tonemd wrote: »
    Terrible poll but anyway:

    A through C

    I don't pvp to "avoid lag". :/

    OP also asks What do you care about? :/
    Vehemence
  • Takllin
    Takllin
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    BD
    I'd choose them all if I could cause that AP is juicy!
    Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
    Jàsènn - AD Orc Templar 47 AR 10
    Jessèn - AD Dunmer DK v16 AR 9 - Former Empress of Blackwater Blade

    Tekllin - AD Altmer Sorcerer v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
    Tekklin - AD Bosmer Nightblade v16 AR 12 (Ret.)
    Jasenn - DC Imperial Templar v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
    Jasènn - DC Orc Sorcerer v16 AR 15 (Ret.)
  • Eirella
    Eirella
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    B: I want competitive and engaging fights.
    BC wasn't an option, but more of B anyway. Just want to have fun.
    (PC/NA) - | @Eirella - formerly @jinxgames | CP 1000+ | Mainly PvPer (EP) | Haxus
    /uninstalled
  • frozywozy
    frozywozy
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    WRX wrote: »
    Okay this one worked!

    Essentially what is it that keeps you playing PvP? Do you want to win campaigns? Do you just want to have fun competitive fights? Make AP? Hang with friends?

    You forgot the letter D in your poll. I suggest that you remake the thread.
    Frozn - Stamdk - AR50
    Frosted - Magplar - AR50
    Frodn - Magden - AR50
    Warmed - Magblade - AR50
    Mmfrozy - Magsorc - AR44
    Necrozn - Magcro - AR32
    Twitch.TV/FrozyTV
    PvP Group Builds

    “Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.” -Eleanor Roosevelt
    • Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
    • Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
    • Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
    • Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
    • Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
    • Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
    • Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
    • Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
    • Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
    • Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
    • Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
    • Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
    • Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
    • Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
    • Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
    • Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
    • Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
    • Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
    • Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
    • Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
    • Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
    • Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
    • Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
    • Introduce dynamic population
    • Lower population cap by 20%
    • Add Snare Immunity potions
    • Bring resurrection sickness
    • Fix character desync
    • Fix cc breaking bug
    • Fix gap closer bug
    • Fix health desync
    • Fix combat bug
    • Fix streak bug
    • Fix server lag
  • tonemd
    tonemd
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    Observant wrote: »
    tonemd wrote: »
    Terrible poll but anyway:

    A through C

    I don't pvp to "avoid lag". :/

    OP also asks What do you care about? :/
    Did He?

    After thinking about it, it think the real reason is inertia. I'm invested in my character and there is no good alternative for this type of PVP.

    Edited by tonemd on May 14, 2015 3:36PM
  • Agrippa_Invisus
    Agrippa_Invisus
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    frozywozy wrote: »
    WRX wrote: »
    Okay this one worked!

    Essentially what is it that keeps you playing PvP? Do you want to win campaigns? Do you just want to have fun competitive fights? Make AP? Hang with friends?

    You forgot the letter D in your poll. I suggest that you remake the thread.

    The lettering should have been W, R, and X.
    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • Ghostbane
    Ghostbane
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    BD
    I continue to play PVP because I was sold a dream.

    For reasons we can all speculate, the dream that was sold is capable on Blackwater yet no where else. Last night, Roebeck was the remaining AD Emp keep, also holding a DC A scroll. Three-way fights all night with mass numbers, it was the best experience I've had this year in terms of server performance mirroring the dream that was sold.

    In equivalent circumstances on say Chillrend, there would be potential for the server to lag. This was not the dream that was advertised.

    I keep playing pvp for when it works, it is fun. The adrenaline on a killing spree, the small victory you cheer at catching that nightblade/sorc, the lawls at scrubs firing arrows at DK wings whilst screaming 'HAX'. Even defending a keep against the odds, mundane as it is at times, you have that swelling pride on pulling through.

    I know the performance of vet servers are capable of being adjusted, it will take a very long time. Thats how things in production go.

    ZOS, you sold us a dream, but we bought insomnia.
    Edited by Ghostbane on May 14, 2015 4:09PM
    {★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}
    350m+ AP PC - EU
    AD :: Imported Waffles [37]EP :: Wee ee ee ee ee [16]DC :: Ghostbane's DK [16], Impending Loadscreen [12]PC - NA
    AD :: Ghostbane [50], yer ma [43], Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 2.0 [18], robotic baby legs [18]EP :: Wee Mad Arthur [50], avast ye buttcrackz [49], Sir Horace Foghorn [27], Brother Ballbag [24], Scatman John [16]DC :: W T B Waffles [36], Morale Boost [30], W T F Waffles [17], Ghostbanë [15]RIPAD :: Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 1.0 [20]
    Addons
  • Sallington
    Sallington
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    I want to avoid lag
    My solution was to unsub and uninstall. Haven't had lag in over a month now.
    Daggerfall Covenant
    Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
    Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
    Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
    Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||
  • Weberda
    Weberda
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    Ghostbane wrote: »
    I continue to play PVP because I was sold a dream.

    For reasons we can all speculate, the dream that was sold is capable on Blackwater yet no where else. Last night, Roebeck was the remaining AD Emp keep, also holding a DC A scroll. Three-way fights all night with mass numbers, it was the best experience I've had this year in terms of server performance mirroring the dream that was sold.

    In equivalent circumstances on say Chillrend, there would be potential for the server to lag. This was not the dream that was advertised.

    I keep playing pvp for when it works, it is fun. The adrenaline on a killing spree, the small victory you cheer at catching that nightblade/sorc, the lawls at scrubs firing arrows at DK wings whilst screaming 'HAX'. Even defending a keep against the odds, mundane as it is at times, you have that swelling pride on pulling through.

    I know the performance of vet servers are capable of being adjusted, it will take a very long time. Thats how things in production go.

    ZOS, you sold us a dream, but we bought insomnia.

    Yep, I'm with Ghostbane all the way on this one. Good post.

    Fernwood, EP Haderus NA
    Lo Behold, AD Thornblade NA (formerly Haderus, inactive)
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