Character Slots Purchase (Ideal price $3.88 per slot) link to analysis included.

kevlarto_ESO · May 2015

When it comes to money ZOS will not listen to us, it's all about the bean counters, they went to accounting college so they can screw up games on a professional level LOL !!

But really your 3.88 might seem like a good amount to charge but will most likely get rounded to 5 bucks or more, if it ever happens, everything today is based on what the market will bare not what is fair or equitable.

BBSooner · May 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

Why should I pay for something that should be free? Why is everyone so willing and ready to pay.

Well said.

Additional slots are a P2W mechanism and have no place in a free MMO. As soon the crown shop offers important items or content that a player can not gain by playing, ESO will follow the evil road of milking its customers for things that should be free.

Say NO to additional slots in the crown shop!

@Audigy What would you then propose? Also, is buying a second account p2w? Cause I can do that all day long, third account, fourth account..

Agreed. Character slots are not pay to win.

Thymos · May 2015

@Faugaun you need to quit acting like this is a real debate. There are no put up or shut up rules to this.

You introduced a couple polls, and an "analysis." There is no debate against it, but you also only introduced information from one source. To get a proper analysis, you should be comparing results from multiple sources, otherwise you are just showing us data that can obviously be skewed, especially from the way you formed the questions in the polls.

You also forgot to allow for an option of free. Some people may want character slots, but are not willing to pay for them. Instead you just removed all the people that "wouldn't buy character slots" from your analysis. Some people may want to be able to purchase them through in-game means.

I'm not here to prove you wrong, I'm here to say that I will not accept this analysis, because there are missing variables.

UrQuan · May 2015

Audigy wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

Why should I pay for something that should be free? Why is everyone so willing and ready to pay.

Well said.

Additional slots are a P2W mechanism and have no place in a free MMO. As soon the crown shop offers important items or content that a player can not gain by playing, ESO will follow the evil road of milking its customers for things that should be free.

Say NO to additional slots in the crown shop!

@Audigy you've said that buying additional character slots is P2W before, but you haven't said how it's P2W. Care to explain your reasoning? Also, do you consider being able to buy a second account P2W? If not, what's the difference you see between that and being able to buy additional character slots? I'm genuinely curious.

idk · May 2015

The data "analyzed" for the OP is flawed and insufficient for determining an appropriate price. I seriously doubt additionally character slots would be doled out for a few dollars. Players who actually want for additional slots will easily pay more. Example, SWTOR cost for additional slots is about $6 USD.

Acrolas · May 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

So far I have located a table that indicates a sample size of 110 is adequate to represent a population of 1,000,000 with 90% confidence.

110 people has a margin of error of 9.54%, which is kind of awful with a lower 90% confidence interval.

And you're confusing confidence intervals with credible intervals.
Confidence intervals in no way indicate how "right" the representative sampling is.
Credible intervals are what say a real value is between value X and value Y with n% of certainty.

With your data, 90% confidence means that you will have approximately 34-54% of people saying they would not buy slots about 90 time out of 100. Roughly 1-21% of people would say $4.26 to $5.00 about 90 times out of 100. The margin of error would put a lot of your poll values into negative ranges, which means your sampling size is too small or too skewed toward not buying.
(It's both.)

BigM · May 2015

What I see in this data there are a few people that would pay $6.00 so if I was ZoS reading this data I would put them on SALE at $10.00 and bet there would be a lot of people that would pay it.

Faugaun · May 2015

BigM wrote: »

What I see in this data there are a few people that would pay $6.00 so if I was ZoS reading this data I would put them on SALE at $10.00 and bet there would be a lot of people that would pay it.

I had to lol at this

I bet the bean counters would say put it at $20 and we'll drop it to $15 in 6 months and $10 a year after that!

Kinda like new tech or new cars, phones etc...you pay to be the first to utilize the feature.

nastuug · May 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I see in this data there are a few people that would pay $6.00 so if I was ZoS reading this data I would put them on SALE at $10.00 and bet there would be a lot of people that would pay it.

I had to lol at this

I bet the bean counters would say put it at $20 and we'll drop it to $15 in 6 months and $10 a year after that!

Kinda like new tech or new cars, phones etc...you pay to be the first to utilize the feature.

**LIMITED TIME OFFER** 50% SALE ON CHARACTER SLOTS!

Faugaun · May 2015

@Acrolas Thank

Yere's a link for anyone else: http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/2272/whats-the-difference-between-a-confidence-interval-and-a-credible-interval

What I am intending to say is there is a 90% probability that the sample represents the sample's population correctly. Like others have stated (and my original analysis indirectly indicated, but failed to explicitly state) defining the population that the sample represents is difficult or impossible.

I look at credible intervals and confidence intervals as different sides of the same coin but acrolas that was fair criticism on the way I worded things.

@VictoriaRachel I actually agree with a lot of the points you make in your last post. Regarding the question "What is the most you would pay" vs "What politician do you like more" a price seems less subjective in the sense that real objects have real value and in many situations these things do not fluctuate much and thus are fairly constant. Also prices have benchmarks and relative pricing, what I mean is there are reference points, for instance a loaf of bread costs $x a gallon of gasonline costs $y. These values are quantifiable on a measuring stick of sorts and they can be referenced to other things via that measuring sticks. The political poll doesn't allow for the creation of reference points or comparison to outside variable because it is completely subject. Where the "what is the most you would pay" is only subjective for an individuals preference instead of the preference and reference both being subjective.

Two moving marks (reference and preference) introduces much more error than a single moving mark (preference and a stationary reference). That the difference I see in political polls and ones similar to this.

Certainly agree with most of the rest (even the bias on that last choice).

nastuug wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I see in this data there are a few people that would pay $6.00 so if I was ZoS reading this data I would put them on SALE at $10.00 and bet there would be a lot of people that would pay it.

I had to lol at this

I bet the bean counters would say put it at $20 and we'll drop it to $15 in 6 months and $10 a year after that!

Kinda like new tech or new cars, phones etc...you pay to be the first to utilize the feature.

**LIMITED TIME OFFER** 50% SALE ON CHARACTER SLOTS!

especially right before financial reports for the board

nastuug · May 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

@Acrolas Thank

Yere's a link for anyone else: http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/2272/whats-the-difference-between-a-confidence-interval-and-a-credible-interval

What I am intending to say is there is a 90% probability that the sample represents the sample's population correctly. Like others have stated (and my original analysis indirectly indicated, but failed to explicitly state) defining the population that the sample represents is difficult or impossible.

I look at credible intervals and confidence intervals as different sides of the same coin but acrolas that was fair criticism on the way I worded things.

@VictoriaRachel I actually agree with a lot of the points you make in your last post. Regarding the question "What is the most you would pay" vs "What politician do you like more" a price seems less subjective in the sense that real objects have real value and in many situations these things do not fluctuate much and thus are fairly constant. Also prices have benchmarks and relative pricing, what I mean is there are reference points, for instance a loaf of bread costs $x a gallon of gasonline costs $y. These values are quantifiable on a measuring stick of sorts and they can be referenced to other things via that measuring sticks. The political poll doesn't allow for the creation of reference points or comparison to outside variable because it is completely subject. Where the "what is the most you would pay" is only subjective for an individuals preference instead of the preference and reference both being subjective.

Two moving marks (reference and preference) introduces much more error than a single moving mark (preference and a stationary reference). That the difference I see in political polls and ones similar to this.

Certainly agree with most of the rest (even the bias on that last choice).

nastuug wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I see in this data there are a few people that would pay $6.00 so if I was ZoS reading this data I would put them on SALE at $10.00 and bet there would be a lot of people that would pay it.

I had to lol at this

I bet the bean counters would say put it at $20 and we'll drop it to $15 in 6 months and $10 a year after that!

Kinda like new tech or new cars, phones etc...you pay to be the first to utilize the feature.

**LIMITED TIME OFFER** 50% SALE ON CHARACTER SLOTS!

especially right before financial reports for the board

Hey, quarterly profits. That's what it's all about right?

Faugaun · May 2015

nastuug wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

@Acrolas Thank

Yere's a link for anyone else: http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/2272/whats-the-difference-between-a-confidence-interval-and-a-credible-interval

What I am intending to say is there is a 90% probability that the sample represents the sample's population correctly. Like others have stated (and my original analysis indirectly indicated, but failed to explicitly state) defining the population that the sample represents is difficult or impossible.

I look at credible intervals and confidence intervals as different sides of the same coin but acrolas that was fair criticism on the way I worded things.

@VictoriaRachel I actually agree with a lot of the points you make in your last post. Regarding the question "What is the most you would pay" vs "What politician do you like more" a price seems less subjective in the sense that real objects have real value and in many situations these things do not fluctuate much and thus are fairly constant. Also prices have benchmarks and relative pricing, what I mean is there are reference points, for instance a loaf of bread costs $x a gallon of gasonline costs $y. These values are quantifiable on a measuring stick of sorts and they can be referenced to other things via that measuring sticks. The political poll doesn't allow for the creation of reference points or comparison to outside variable because it is completely subject. Where the "what is the most you would pay" is only subjective for an individuals preference instead of the preference and reference both being subjective.

Two moving marks (reference and preference) introduces much more error than a single moving mark (preference and a stationary reference). That the difference I see in political polls and ones similar to this.

Certainly agree with most of the rest (even the bias on that last choice).

nastuug wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I see in this data there are a few people that would pay $6.00 so if I was ZoS reading this data I would put them on SALE at $10.00 and bet there would be a lot of people that would pay it.

I had to lol at this

I bet the bean counters would say put it at $20 and we'll drop it to $15 in 6 months and $10 a year after that!

Kinda like new tech or new cars, phones etc...you pay to be the first to utilize the feature.

**LIMITED TIME OFFER** 50% SALE ON CHARACTER SLOTS!

especially right before financial reports for the board

Hey, quarterly profits. That's what it's all about right?

i'm not sure how that works for private investment...i know for public its quarterly..shrug

nastuug · May 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

@Acrolas Thank

Yere's a link for anyone else: http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/2272/whats-the-difference-between-a-confidence-interval-and-a-credible-interval

What I am intending to say is there is a 90% probability that the sample represents the sample's population correctly. Like others have stated (and my original analysis indirectly indicated, but failed to explicitly state) defining the population that the sample represents is difficult or impossible.

I look at credible intervals and confidence intervals as different sides of the same coin but acrolas that was fair criticism on the way I worded things.

@VictoriaRachel I actually agree with a lot of the points you make in your last post. Regarding the question "What is the most you would pay" vs "What politician do you like more" a price seems less subjective in the sense that real objects have real value and in many situations these things do not fluctuate much and thus are fairly constant. Also prices have benchmarks and relative pricing, what I mean is there are reference points, for instance a loaf of bread costs $x a gallon of gasonline costs $y. These values are quantifiable on a measuring stick of sorts and they can be referenced to other things via that measuring sticks. The political poll doesn't allow for the creation of reference points or comparison to outside variable because it is completely subject. Where the "what is the most you would pay" is only subjective for an individuals preference instead of the preference and reference both being subjective.

Two moving marks (reference and preference) introduces much more error than a single moving mark (preference and a stationary reference). That the difference I see in political polls and ones similar to this.

Certainly agree with most of the rest (even the bias on that last choice).

nastuug wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I see in this data there are a few people that would pay $6.00 so if I was ZoS reading this data I would put them on SALE at $10.00 and bet there would be a lot of people that would pay it.

I had to lol at this

I bet the bean counters would say put it at $20 and we'll drop it to $15 in 6 months and $10 a year after that!

Kinda like new tech or new cars, phones etc...you pay to be the first to utilize the feature.

**LIMITED TIME OFFER** 50% SALE ON CHARACTER SLOTS!

especially right before financial reports for the board

Hey, quarterly profits. That's what it's all about right?

i'm not sure how that works for private investment...i know for public its quarterly..shrug

Depends on the nature of the business rather than private investment, I would assume.

I know here in private auto insurance, it's about monthly, quarterly, and annual figures. Insurance... nasty business, that is.

Tandor · May 2015

Heruthema wrote: »

Why should I pay for something that should be free? Why is everyone so willing and ready to pay. I already pay 15 a month and for that I should be getting extra slots, priority queue, etc. Instead you are proposing I pay more for something I should already have.

There's a separate argument as to whether subscribers should get extra slots for free or be using the crowns they get for subscribing to pay for them. The main point is that for people who are not subscribing there needs to be a way for them to buy stuff they want in order to generate revenue. This is clearly something a lot of players would be interested in and it therefore makes good sense to have it in the crown store. It is not remotely P2W.

VictoriaRachel · May 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

I actually agree with a lot of the points you make in your last post. Regarding the question "What is the most you would pay" vs "What politician do you like more" a price seems less subjective in the sense that real objects have real value and in many situations these things do not fluctuate much and thus are fairly constant. Also prices have benchmarks and relative pricing, what I mean is there are reference points, for instance a loaf of bread costs $x a gallon of gasonline costs $y. These values are quantifiable on a measuring stick of sorts and they can be referenced to other things via that measuring sticks. The political poll doesn't allow for the creation of reference points or comparison to outside variable because it is completely subject. Where the "what is the most you would pay" is only subjective for an individuals preference instead of the preference and reference both being subjective.

Two moving marks (reference and preference) introduces much more error than a single moving mark (preference and a stationary reference). That the difference I see in political polls and ones similar to this.

The problem is those references also move. For instance I know that your average price for a gallon of gasoline is not even remotely close to the same amount of petrol over here. I think your petrol is about $3 a gallon, or about £2. Our petrol is about £1.15 a liter! So 4.5 liters in a gallon means we pay £5.17 a gallon or $8. 4 times the amount seems quite a large variance to me!

There is also a variance in what that reference means to that individual, the amount of disposable income a person has will massively effect their opinion on what they are willing to spend on a hobby. Some people will know exactly how much they pay for that loaf of bread, they will know which is the best value, they are careful with their money. Others are just going to pick up the loaf they like the look of and not have a clue how much it cost them.

So reference is not as stationary as you may think.

wulfang · January 2016

I thought by now they already would have character slots, they really need to get on this. Though I think that price is a bit much. I think 2 slots per 500 crowns would be better. Neverwinter uses that price per character slot its fair enough though sometimes it is on sale for less. I got on the forums for mainly this reason.

TheShadowScout · January 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

That's a lot of work for a pretty simple request. I don't think adding fluff to the request makes it more conniving. They know we want to be able to buy extra chatacter slots.

The price is a bit low though. I would say more in the 1000 Crown range. What you're purposing is less than the price of a costume.

Yup.

Other games I have played usually go sith a price between 500 and 1000 crowns, equivalent. I can't really see ZOS going lower, and I kinda expect them to be more likely to go for the 1000.
And I'd pay it. Several times over, to feed my altaholism...

Faugaun · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That's a lot of work for a pretty simple request. I don't think adding fluff to the request makes it more conniving. They know we want to be able to buy extra chatacter slots.

The price is a bit low though. I would say more in the 1000 Crown range. What you're purposing is less than the price of a costume.

Yup.

Other games I have played usually go sith a price between 500 and 1000 crowns, equivalent. I can't really see ZOS going lower, and I kinda expect them to be more likely to go for the 1000.
And I'd pay it. Several times over, to feed my altaholism...

I just picked up a second account a long time ago....that did the trick

TheShadowScout · January 2016

Faugaun wrote: »

I just picked up a second account a long time ago....that did the trick

But... but... c-points! Item transfer! Dyes! Crown Store!

I couldn't bear to miss those things if i went with a second account... so I shall just have to wait for purchasable character slots.

tinythinker · January 2016

If ZOS adds new character slots to the Crown Store they will be 2000 a piece, minimum. Probably more like 3000 or 4000. I mean 10 bag spaces (one upgrade in-game from the bag merchant) go for 1000 crowns (current sale notwithstanding). And even at 2000-4000 crowns, those character slots will sell like mad.

Faugaun · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

I just picked up a second account a long time ago....that did the trick

But... but... c-points! Item transfer! Dyes! Crown Store!

I couldn't bear to miss those things if i went with a second account... so I shall just have to wait for purchasable character slots.

yeah ... i know... c-points, mounts, dyes, etc.... but I get 5 count them 1,2,3,4,5! extra guild slots ! now i am in 5x trade guilds and sell bookoos of stuff and have tons of gold!!! Seriously I gave up on waiting on ZoS a perosn can only have 5 VR16 so long before needing a new account ....So if they ever do allow purchasable slots....please let us merge accounts too!!!!