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Please Don't Offer Race Changes (Poll)
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jpalm1995✭✭✭Khajiit racial passives suck. I would love to change my raceI always say that I hate this game, yet for some reason i'm still here.2 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I want to change my race, but only if racials are drastically changed.ThatHappyCat wrote: »Instead of offering race changes, balance racials as they are without drastically changing them up, so people who chose their race to match their build don't find that their build suddenly doesn't work. I like that some choices are permanent, and your race should really be the most permanent of your permanent choices. If you do introduce race changes, then people will likely start asking for class changes as well... after all, your class seems to hold less permanence than your race, so why not?
... And if you absolutely must introduce race (and possibly class) changes, please make them cost a ton of crowns.
EDIT: To clarify, Option 4 means you want a race change because ZOS changed racials drastically or you want one IF ZOS changes racials drastically.
How dare you try and whine about what other people want when it would NOT EVEN HAVE ANY EFFECT ON YOU WHAT SO EVER!
People being able to easily and instantly change to the new flavor of the month builds and classes to bandwagon doesn't affect me in pvp or leader boards for pve? That's news to me. It does indeed affect other players, not to mention that letting you pay to skip a new character makes it that much less populated for new players leveling up to see life in the game world, group with, or run anything with in general. Think of the bigger picture and it turns out, it isn't just about you.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.2 -
Kelleton✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Instead of offering race changes, balance racials as they are without drastically changing them up, so people who chose their race to match their build don't find that their build suddenly doesn't work. I like that some choices are permanent, and your race should really be the most permanent of your permanent choices. If you do introduce race changes, then people will likely start asking for class changes as well... after all, your class seems to hold less permanence than your race, so why not?
... And if you absolutely must introduce race (and possibly class) changes, please make them cost a ton of crowns.
EDIT: To clarify, Option 4 means you want a race change because ZOS changed racials drastically or you want one IF ZOS changes racials drastically.
How dare you try and whine about what other people want when it would NOT EVEN HAVE ANY EFFECT ON YOU WHAT SO EVER!
People being able to easily and instantly change to the new flavor of the month builds and classes to bandwagon doesn't affect me in pvp or leader boards for pve? That's news to me. It does indeed affect other players, not to mention that letting you pay to skip a new character makes it that much less populated for new players leveling up to see life in the game world, group with, or run anything with in general. Think of the bigger picture and it turns out, it isn't just about you.
People switching to FotM builds every time there is a change in the patch notes already happens and it effects you MUCH more than puny racial differences. Changes to skills/abilities are often very dramatic. They can totally make or break a build and change the entire landscape of the game. A little more health or a little more fire resist or a little more magicka regen doesn't effect the community nearly as much as major changes to skills/abilities. (nerfs/buffs)
So this is already happening on a much larger scale than anything racial changes would bring.
Sorry, but your argument is flawed.
Edited by Alphashado on April 30, 2015 8:03PM1 -
MrGhosty✭✭✭✭✭nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!
Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.
Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.
Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.
Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.
Just out of curiosity mate, is it lore and atmospheric breaking for you because despite not ever actually seeing it save for if one of your friends uses it, just the thought that it is out there haunts you? like some digital white whale?
It isn't lore breaking to change your race, and if your "atmosphere" is so fragile someone changing their race destroys your game there may be issues bigger than ZOS offering changes in the crown store.
In many games, alts allow for a player to see different parts of the game they would not be otherwise able to see which is why you saw them created. Some people like to play all the different classes and try things out so you saw them created. Some people since the first MMO have devoted their time solely to one character (many often cite it doesn't make sense to them lorewise they would be able to inhabit multiple bodies.)
In ESO we put a lot of time and investment in, and for those of us who play on a limited schedule or just aren't interested in repeating the content a million times a race change is just one of many which makes sense. If you're worried about the horrible Min/Maxers out there you could always just encourage a lengthy cooldown timer (which I would support) rather than cite silly reasons like it's presence will ruin the game for you.
I'm fully maxed on my character count, I run a guild across all three factions and due to that plus real life I couldn't level another character if I wanted to ( I don't) I've put time and money into motifs, recipes, bag space, horse leveling and I'm not prepared to get rid of that and I would imagine many feel the same way. Min/Maxers are going to do what they do no matter if this change happens or not, so it makes zero sense to not offer something like race change. Look at it this way, even if the min/maxers do swap races to have the "perfect" race with each patch that's dedicated income for ZOS which means they don't get pushed into territory which would truly imbalance the game and offer things no one wants to see sold like set pieces of armor or weapons. They're going to make their money one way or another, and pets and mounts are only going to work for so long, so I would rather them offer race changes, hell, even faction changes (one-time, with a quest) if it means they make their money and we keep getting to enjoy the game."It is a time of strife and unrest. Armies of revenants and dark spirits manifest in every corner of Tamriel. Winters grow colder and crops fail. Mystics are plagued by nightmares and portents of doom."2 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I want to change my race, but only if racials are drastically changed.Alphashado wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Instead of offering race changes, balance racials as they are without drastically changing them up, so people who chose their race to match their build don't find that their build suddenly doesn't work. I like that some choices are permanent, and your race should really be the most permanent of your permanent choices. If you do introduce race changes, then people will likely start asking for class changes as well... after all, your class seems to hold less permanence than your race, so why not?
... And if you absolutely must introduce race (and possibly class) changes, please make them cost a ton of crowns.
EDIT: To clarify, Option 4 means you want a race change because ZOS changed racials drastically or you want one IF ZOS changes racials drastically.
How dare you try and whine about what other people want when it would NOT EVEN HAVE ANY EFFECT ON YOU WHAT SO EVER!
People being able to easily and instantly change to the new flavor of the month builds and classes to bandwagon doesn't affect me in pvp or leader boards for pve? That's news to me. It does indeed affect other players, not to mention that letting you pay to skip a new character makes it that much less populated for new players leveling up to see life in the game world, group with, or run anything with in general. Think of the bigger picture and it turns out, it isn't just about you.
People switching to FotM builds every time there is a change in the patch notes already happens and it effects you MUCH more than puny racial differences. Changes to skills/abilities are often very dramatic. They can totally make or break a build and change the entire landscape of the game. A little more health or a little more fire resist or a little more magicka regen doesn't effect the community nearly as much as major changes to skills/abilities. (nerfs/buffs)
So this is already happening on a much larger scale than anything racial changes would bring.
Sorry, but your argument is flawed.
Yep, it sure does, and this would only worsen it. Thanks for your support
. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!
Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.
Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.
Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.
Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.
separating players into two camps like that is stupid. I am not a total min/maxer, but I do care about my racials. I agree that if they remove vet ranks this will be less of an issue (especially with the xp pots).
And how exactly does it affect you that I change my toon? You don't know my race now, and if you saw me in game after a race change you wouldn't know either...
Your (and half of the server's) changing race/gender/class is simply not natural and not lore fitting.
If you are worried about other players breaking lore then you should play single player games... people break lore all the time with things such as stupid names...
So it is me, the guy who did a bit research, picked his race and class according to lore and his gameplay style should go play something else and not the guys who picked a race and class but decided to try something different on the halfway or saw Imperials are doing %5 more damage etc but too lazy to actually create a different character?
You don't even get such an option in single player games. You can't just turn your Dovahkiin into Nerevarine because it just doesn't make any sense no?
I play mmorpgs for years and if I am not happy with my character decision I just umm reroll because that is why we have alts and rerolls you know. So yeah I don't think the problem is me playing mmorpgs.Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
So what if they want it.
The ONLY thing I have ever parted with money for in WoW (other than the sub) is a Race and Class change.
If I change my Race how does it affect you at all?
If I change from NB to DK how does that affect you at all?
It doesn't.
Games that fail to give consumers choices are games that fail... ..end of.
All The Best
It affects me because I don't want to see that Orc Mage I saw yesterday as a Breton Templar today. Just like how I won't wake up and see Obama as a Russian Samurai tomorrow. According to you M16 bow skins pack, Dwemer automobile pack or Elvis costumes pack that will destroy the atmosphere should also be a part of our choices and as long as it doesn't affect me directly and I have no saying on it?
Not going to reroll and waste time out of my life, too valuable. Fact is we are getting race changes, deal with it.1 -
BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭I won't use, but don't care if they add race changes.I don't see a problem with it. The fear mongering of groups requiring a specific race feels unfounded. People who don't min/max their characters don't seem likely to be in guilds that require min maxed racial choices in the first place. I feel comfortable in guessing that the majority of players don't care what race you are as long as you can play your role.0 -
Nostramo✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!
Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.
Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.
Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.
Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.
Just out of curiosity mate, is it lore and atmospheric breaking for you because despite not ever actually seeing it save for if one of your friends uses it, just the thought that it is out there haunts you? like some digital white whale?
It isn't lore breaking to change your race, and if your "atmosphere" is so fragile someone changing their race destroys your game there may be issues bigger than ZOS offering changes in the crown store.
In many games, alts allow for a player to see different parts of the game they would not be otherwise able to see which is why you saw them created. Some people like to play all the different classes and try things out so you saw them created. Some people since the first MMO have devoted their time solely to one character (many often cite it doesn't make sense to them lorewise they would be able to inhabit multiple bodies.)
In ESO we put a lot of time and investment in, and for those of us who play on a limited schedule or just aren't interested in repeating the content a million times a race change is just one of many which makes sense. If you're worried about the horrible Min/Maxers out there you could always just encourage a lengthy cooldown timer (which I would support) rather than cite silly reasons like it's presence will ruin the game for you.
I'm fully maxed on my character count, I run a guild across all three factions and due to that plus real life I couldn't level another character if I wanted to ( I don't) I've put time and money into motifs, recipes, bag space, horse leveling and I'm not prepared to get rid of that and I would imagine many feel the same way. Min/Maxers are going to do what they do no matter if this change happens or not, so it makes zero sense to not offer something like race change. Look at it this way, even if the min/maxers do swap races to have the "perfect" race with each patch that's dedicated income for ZOS which means they don't get pushed into territory which would truly imbalance the game and offer things no one wants to see sold like set pieces of armor or weapons. They're going to make their money one way or another, and pets and mounts are only going to work for so long, so I would rather them offer race changes, hell, even faction changes (one-time, with a quest) if it means they make their money and we keep getting to enjoy the game.
Yeah knowing that someone can simply throw a few bucks and turn into whatever they want in the middle of game gives me shivers.
MMORPGS are role playing games and changing race, gender or class midgame has no part in roleplaying or lore. If people are not into role playing or don't have a connection with their character then they shouldn't play mmorpgs. There are lots of enjoyable multiplayer lobby games or action mmos for people who are "too busy" or can't make up their mind on what to play so they can choose a different thing each time they start a lobby. We can just go ahead and add insta v14 for 60$ and +%100 exp potions too for "busy guys who wants to play endgame dungeons with their friends".
Yeah I understand why you don't want to lose all your progress but there are more than one way to solve the issue. Offering race changes for money just seems lazy in my opinion, people rewarding ZOS' unbalanced race racials with buying race changes and ZOS rewarding people who wants to play something else but doesn't want to reroll. Getting rid of veteran ranks and making stuff like horse skills account bound would reduce the grind and encourage other players to try different characters since you can be max level in like a few weeks without veteran grind.
I am a ESO+ member, I can't really think a single reason (don't care or need those +%10 bonuses) for it other than supporting the game and those guys who are working on the game. I am sure I am not the only one who is subscribing just to support the game either. And I am thinking to support it as long as they don't ruin it with cash shop stuff. So I don't really think pets and mounts are their only source of income and they need to add those changes to make money.
And oh, I don't think any of us here is a jobless person with no responsibilities and have unlimited free time anyway.nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!
Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.
Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.
Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.
Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.
separating players into two camps like that is stupid. I am not a total min/maxer, but I do care about my racials. I agree that if they remove vet ranks this will be less of an issue (especially with the xp pots).
And how exactly does it affect you that I change my toon? You don't know my race now, and if you saw me in game after a race change you wouldn't know either...
Your (and half of the server's) changing race/gender/class is simply not natural and not lore fitting.
If you are worried about other players breaking lore then you should play single player games... people break lore all the time with things such as stupid names...
So it is me, the guy who did a bit research, picked his race and class according to lore and his gameplay style should go play something else and not the guys who picked a race and class but decided to try something different on the halfway or saw Imperials are doing %5 more damage etc but too lazy to actually create a different character?
You don't even get such an option in single player games. You can't just turn your Dovahkiin into Nerevarine because it just doesn't make any sense no?
I play mmorpgs for years and if I am not happy with my character decision I just umm reroll because that is why we have alts and rerolls you know. So yeah I don't think the problem is me playing mmorpgs.Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
So what if they want it.
The ONLY thing I have ever parted with money for in WoW (other than the sub) is a Race and Class change.
If I change my Race how does it affect you at all?
If I change from NB to DK how does that affect you at all?
It doesn't.
Games that fail to give consumers choices are games that fail... ..end of.
All The Best
It affects me because I don't want to see that Orc Mage I saw yesterday as a Breton Templar today. Just like how I won't wake up and see Obama as a Russian Samurai tomorrow. According to you M16 bow skins pack, Dwemer automobile pack or Elvis costumes pack that will destroy the atmosphere should also be a part of our choices and as long as it doesn't affect me directly and I have no saying on it?
Not going to reroll and waste time out of my life, too valuable. Fact is we are getting race changes, deal with it.
I merely stated my opinion, you were the one who replied to my opinion with your opinion. Goodluck with your Imperial/Breton and your %5 damage bonus.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »@dodgehopper_ESO , That's why I've suggested previously in feedback to make the races into "skins" and bundle up the passives in sets of three in a new skill line such as "Racial Legacy" where you get one point (respeccable) to choose a passive, which provides three bonuses similar to how a current race pick does. Your character creation choice would then just determine your appearance. It appears that the passives will likely remain tied to the appearance and not be changeable from the impression I've gotten at this point of time, unfortunately.
That would be possible if we were not talking about an established Elder Scrolls IP, the core of which would be undermined by such a change. Set racial differences are very central to character creation in an Elder Scrolls game.Edited by Tandor on May 1, 2015 7:52AM2 -
Wyietsayon✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.I voted that I'd change my race, even though I'm not planning on actually changing my race. Why vote this way then? Because I think that the character editor system and the race changing system are going to be linked together, and I do plan on changing my looks every once in awhile. Give my character longer hair or a different beard to represent growth. Give him a tattoo if he feels like he's a changed person. Just small fun stuff like that.
Plus, PVPers and minmaxers are really upset about being stuck with this choice. And ok, so I won't use a system. That doesn't mean I have to ruin someone's potential enjoyment of the game by having that system removed. I don't like PVP, but I'm not going to make polls asking for it's removal, because tons of people only play for PVP.
Not sure what this thread will accomplish really. The system is most likely very close to completion, judging from the Eso live episodes. I'd feel bad telling them to scrape those developers hard work into something. I mean, that happens a lot in the game development industry, but it feels more wasted this way, considering how many people ask for it.0 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I want to change my race, but only if racials are drastically changed.nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuesb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!
Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.
Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.
Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.
Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.
Just out of curiosity mate, is it lore and atmospheric breaking for you because despite not ever actually seeing it save for if one of your friends uses it, just the thought that it is out there haunts you? like some digital white whale?
It isn't lore breaking to change your race, and if your "atmosphere" is so fragile someone changing their race destroys your game there may be issues bigger than ZOS offering changes in the crown store.
In many games, alts allow for a player to see different parts of the game they would not be otherwise able to see which is why you saw them created. Some people like to play all the different classes and try things out so you saw them created. Some people since the first MMO have devoted their time solely to one character (many often cite it doesn't make sense to them lorewise they would be able to inhabit multiple bodies.)
In ESO we put a lot of time and investment in, and for those of us who play on a limited schedule or just aren't interested in repeating the content a million times a race change is just one of many which makes sense. If you're worried about the horrible Min/Maxers out there you could always just encourage a lengthy cooldown timer (which I would support) rather than cite silly reasons like it's presence will ruin the game for you.
I'm fully maxed on my character count, I run a guild across all three factions and due to that plus real life I couldn't level another character if I wanted to ( I don't) I've put time and money into motifs, recipes, bag space, horse leveling and I'm not prepared to get rid of that and I would imagine many feel the same way. Min/Maxers are going to do what they do no matter if this change happens or not, so it makes zero sense to not offer something like race change. Look at it this way, even if the min/maxers do swap races to have the "perfect" race with each patch that's dedicated income for ZOS which means they don't get pushed into territory which would truly imbalance the game and offer things no one wants to see sold like set pieces of armor or weapons. They're going to make their money one way or another, and pets and mounts are only going to work for so long, so I would rather them offer race changes, hell, even faction changes (one-time, with a quest) if it means they make their money and we keep getting to enjoy the game.
Yeah knowing that someone can simply throw a few bucks and turn into whatever they want in the middle of game gives me shivers.
MMORPGS are role playing games and changing race, gender or class midgame has no part in roleplaying or lore. If people are not into role playing or don't have a connection with their character then they shouldn't play mmorpgs. There are lots of enjoyable multiplayer lobby games or action mmos for people who are "too busy" or can't make up their mind on what to play so they can choose a different thing each time they start a lobby. We can just go ahead and add insta v14 for 60$ and +%100 exp potions too for "busy guys who wants to play endgame dungeons with their friends".
Yeah I understand why you don't want to lose all your progress but there are more than one way to solve the issue. Offering race changes for money just seems lazy in my opinion, people rewarding ZOS' unbalanced race racials with buying race changes and ZOS rewarding people who wants to play something else but doesn't want to reroll. Getting rid of veteran ranks and making stuff like horse skills account bound would reduce the grind and encourage other players to try different characters since you can be max level in like a few weeks without veteran grind.
I am a ESO+ member, I can't really think a single reason (don't care or need those +%10 bonuses) for it other than supporting the game and those guys who are working on the game. I am sure I am not the only one who is subscribing just to support the game either. And I am thinking to support it as long as they don't ruin it with cash shop stuff. So I don't really think pets and mounts are their only source of income and they need to add those changes to make money.
And oh, I don't think any of us here is a jobless person with no responsibilities and have unlimited free time anyway.nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!
Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.
Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.
Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.
Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.
separating players into two camps like that is stupid. I am not a total min/maxer, but I do care about my racials. I agree that if they remove vet ranks this will be less of an issue (especially with the xp pots).
And how exactly does it affect you that I change my toon? You don't know my race now, and if you saw me in game after a race change you wouldn't know either...
Your (and half of the server's) changing race/gender/class is simply not natural and not lore fitting.
If you are worried about other players breaking lore then you should play single player games... people break lore all the time with things such as stupid names...
So it is me, the guy who did a bit research, picked his race and class according to lore and his gameplay style should go play something else and not the guys who picked a race and class but decided to try something different on the halfway or saw Imperials are doing %5 more damage etc but too lazy to actually create a different character?
You don't even get such an option in single player games. You can't just turn your Dovahkiin into Nerevarine because it just doesn't make any sense no?
I play mmorpgs for years and if I am not happy with my character decision I just umm reroll because that is why we have alts and rerolls you know. So yeah I don't think the problem is me playing mmorpgs.Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »No. What is next, class changes?
Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...
If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?
So what if they want it.
The ONLY thing I have ever parted with money for in WoW (other than the sub) is a Race and Class change.
If I change my Race how does it affect you at all?
If I change from NB to DK how does that affect you at all?
It doesn't.
Games that fail to give consumers choices are games that fail... ..end of.
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It affects me because I don't want to see that Orc Mage I saw yesterday as a Breton Templar today. Just like how I won't wake up and see Obama as a Russian Samurai tomorrow. According to you M16 bow skins pack, Dwemer automobile pack or Elvis costumes pack that will destroy the atmosphere should also be a part of our choices and as long as it doesn't affect me directly and I have no saying on it?
Not going to reroll and waste time out of my life, too valuable. Fact is we are getting race changes, deal with it.
I merely stated my opinion, you were the one who replied to my opinion with your opinion. Goodluck with your Imperial/Breton and your %5 damage bonus.
This. What happened to making choices be choices, not options you can change on the fly? And the crown store would thrive much more by having actual DLC available with new features, horizontal options with gear sets, fun stuff like horse racing and other mini games, new story or trial zones, and fun fluff like consumable fireworks to celebrate something cool like beating a hard boss or taking an emperor keep. Mount skins don't really work long term, and race changes through the store instead of fixing the racials and the game systems they affect wouldn't be the route I'd have liked to have seen discussed as it is now. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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Mercutio✭✭✭✭I won't use, but don't care if they add race changes.Doesn't affect me in the least if another player changes his/her race. Except I guess it would be more money for the devs to create content with.The problem with arguing with a jackass is that they never stop braying.
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Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.Doesn't affect me in the least if another player changes his/her race. Except I guess it would be more money for the devs to create content with.
This personally all my guys are Imperials or orcs i use lol even if they nerfed em i would use them.
No harm if people want to swap but personally id like to see the trairs gone or swappable so people can choose what they want.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.You can always learn a new profession, or how to use a new weapon or acquire a new skill, or get some new clothes, have a haircut or sunbathe to get a tan => thus I agree with class change and barber shop. It's nothing more or less than the respec options that are already available, either against real money or in game gold.
You can always change your mind (or be a traitor, or a spy, or a double agent, or whatever...) thus I agree with faction changes (from a RP-lore point of view... I can see real issues in PvP with this if the change is too easy or too cheap or whatever).
But race change ??? That makes absolutely no sense !! I even chose my sorc to be a sorc BECAUSE she was a Breton, not the other way around ! It makes absolute sense that any character has a birthplace, a story, a race and special, unique abilities attached to it ! Those cannot be changed and impact initial and future choices without them being changeable !
That said, does it affect me if others see their own characters not as "characters" but as a mere stack of stats and apply race changes ? To a certain extent, yes. You'll see and hear and read guildies and min/maxers include this in their endless theorycrafting discussions and "try" races repeatedly just the way they try various gear sets, and that's disturbing. Some raiding groups might include racial requirements in their set-ups and try to force a race change onto me, or at least pressure for it...
I can also see ZOS play around with this - even though they'd better be careful along this dangerous soapy slippery road... - by changing (err... "adjusting") racial passives repeatedly...
I can already see the opportunity of changing races directly boosting the sales of the imperial edition upgrade packages !
In overall, I'd prefer for it not to happen, but if it happens (and if I understand things well, it is going to happen) it will not be a casus belli for me. However, in this case I'd prefer to have the option :
1/ include a long cooldown
2/ be available in IG money too and not only in the cash shop
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✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.I voted against but just because I believe lore should be respected. I don't know the TES lore as well I would like, but I don't think race changes were common, if they happened at all. ESO should respect that.
What I think should be possible is to change you class. That or ZoS could sell vr14 character in the crown store for those players that already leveled a toon to the level cap. And none of those alternatives will be needed once the veteran system are removed. Yes, you will still need to grind the first 50 levels, but those are easy enough to go through. What are now the veteran areas will only be a good source of CPs and Skill Points0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.I think they should allow it.
Having to start your character over from scratch to try out a new race is pretty discouraging. This is one of the few things I would be willing to spend cash on in the store to obtain.0 -
I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.I don't want race changes to be easy if they are installed. None of this crown store nonsense but maybe a quest that allows you to change your race ONCE(per character) and not over and over again. Also skill points put on your previous race won't be given back to you but used in the next race of your choosing.0 -
jarrandub17_ESO✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.I do not want to see this ever. I'm tired of seeing games cater to care bears.3
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Zargorius✭✭✭✭I won't use, but don't care if they add race changes.Put it up with a proper cost like 2k-3k crowns and milk all those min-maxers. For myself, it wouldn't affect my on the slightest. In case somebody I know changes his character race, who cares, we have several characters per person already, all the talk about lore is just nonsense. I play with actual people that have names and faces and not with "Ork from Pork", whatever they dress up as does not really matter.Honor is a dead man's code.1 -
Zargorius✭✭✭✭I won't use, but don't care if they add race changes.nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »
You mean they are actually out there to make money and not just entertain us? Truly shocking.Honor is a dead man's code.1 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.Per this poll 37% of players will change their race given the option, plus the chance for another 6% depending on changes made to racials. We have a fairly large sample size now approaching 600 votes. Let's say that this represents the whole ESO community. Let's also assume, for arguments sake, that ESO has around 200,000 active players (no idea how many people dropped off since late last summer when we knew the numbers were around 700,000). Also say they charge $20 for a race change as well (could be more).
Cue math:
37% of 200,000 = 74,000.
$20 x 74,000 = $1,480,000.
+ a chance at the additional 6% of the player base... 12,000 x $20 = $240,000.
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✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.No. Players should not be able to change things that were set during character creation such as class, race, alliance, and gender. I realize that the developers sometimes totally screw up our builds, but just think of that as life not going the way you plan it.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.No. Players should not be able to change things that were set during character creation such as class, race, alliance, and gender. I realize that the developers sometimes totally screw up our builds, but just think of that as life not going the way you plan it.
That is exactly what I want... I want my games to be as punishing as real life... NOT3 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes."..."
That is exactly what I want... I want my games to be as punishing as real life... NOT
Okay, it's coming anyway so,
let's play a game.
You want to change races, fine.
How much are you willing to pay for it?
We know that a simple motif goes for 40 bucks already. almost the game bought again.
So, how much would you be willing to play for one thing that You can't find in-game, and is only ever available on the Crown Store? 60 bucks? 80 bucks? If they placed a 5.000 crowns tag on 2 motifs for a total of 10.000, How much do you even think that a race change is going to cost you? What if after you pay that, there's some 'racial balance' 2 months later? Would you pay again? If so, okay, we all who voted the lil' red button have lost. Enjoy. Zeni did a nice thing.... Mai cave. >:30 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.The funny thing about all this is that people are constantly saying that race doesn't matter in this game, but then you have people scared that a race change option would cause everyone to change to the FOTM race. Sounds like race matters.
They just need to give meaningful resource boosts to every race and then this wouldn't be an issue. Imperial, Altmer, Breton...they're popular because they provide the biggest resource boosts.
I don't understand why it's said that it's too difficult to balance the racials. The formula seems simple to me: meaningful resource boosts + racial fluff for uniqueness = balanced racials. No one would be complaining about the Argonian racials if they had a 10% boost (or something comparable) to either stamina or magicka. There you go, ZOS, you can stop the hand-wringing.0 -
G0ku✭✭✭✭Just let people buy the set of racial passives they want, this way tamriel won´t be only populated by dunmer, altmer, bretons and imperials...- First AD EU Group to finish DSA VET -
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