Please Don't Offer Race Changes (Poll)

Nostramo

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

No. What is next, class changes?

Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...

If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?

Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!

Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.

Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.

Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.

Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.

nastuug

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

Wow. Never thought I'd see so much opposition to the idea of racial changes.

H3Li0S

I won't use, but don't care if they add race changes.

I really don't see the problem with a race change... people actually don't know what to do nowadays but to argue and whine about insignificant stuff like that.

What will change in your gameplay is X player decide to change is race and pays for it ? Now don't bring P2W into this discussion please... or it's just lame tbh.

Elloa

I want to change my race, but only if racials are drastically changed.

Some facts: Racial might be rebalanced, but ONLY if the possibility to race change can be offered to players.
Wich make perfect sense. If you rebalance the racial, players should have the possibility to change their race. Otherwise, some character might be just good for garbage and that will *** off some players.

I believe that the racial need a rebalance, because of the change of Update6. Lots of players are stuck with a broken character because back then, racial wasn't that important as it is now to create a good character (due to the overchaging feature that had been removed). I know for example, some Khajiit caster, that had to switch to weapon users, and didn't enjoyed themselves so much....

I don't really understand what argument people have against the possibility of changing Race. Where is the problem?

Attorneyatlawl

I want to change my race, but only if racials are drastically changed.

arena25 wrote: »

Where is the "I don't care" option.

Bias, much?

It's the back button, since you have no need to vote if you don't have an opinion or care about the topic .

If they change racial passives much at all, there should be a free one time race change for all existing characters, so you can make them each stay the best choice for you as you created them. Changing the balance on them up a lot and then asking for people to buy paid race changes to fix their characters wouldn't be well received, but I also sincerely doubt that will happen.

Elloa

I want to change my race, but only if racials are drastically changed.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

If they change racial passives much at all, there should be a free one time race change for all existing characters, so you can make them each stay the best choice for you as you created them. Changing the balance on them up a lot and then asking for people to buy paid race changes to fix their characters wouldn't be well received, but I also sincerely doubt that will happen.

Totally agree with this!

Jamersonb16_ESO

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Changing the balance on them up a lot and then asking for people to buy paid race changes to fix their characters wouldn't be well received, but I also sincerely doubt that will happen.

Well the first part happened a few months back and the second part has been announced, so brace yourself...!

akray21

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

No. What is next, class changes?

Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...

If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?

Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!

Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.

Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.

Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.

Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.

separating players into two camps like that is stupid. I am not a total min/maxer, but I do care about my racials. I agree that if they remove vet ranks this will be less of an issue (especially with the xp pots).

And how exactly does it affect you that I change my toon? You don't know my race now, and if you saw me in game after a race change you wouldn't know either...

akray21

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

Elloa wrote: »

Some facts: Racial might be rebalanced, but ONLY if the possibility to race change can be offered to players.
Wich make perfect sense. If you rebalance the racial, players should have the possibility to change their race. Otherwise, some character might be just good for garbage and that will *** off some players.

I believe that the racial need a rebalance, because of the change of Update6. Lots of players are stuck with a broken character because back then, racial wasn't that important as it is now to create a good character (due to the overchaging feature that had been removed). I know for example, some Khajiit caster, that had to switch to weapon users, and didn't enjoyed themselves so much....

I don't really understand what argument people have against the possibility of changing Race. Where is the problem?

Elloa, I thought that you might be more on the fence with this issue. I think that the biggest thing is that some players like myself are starting to feel a disconnect with out characters due to lack of performance with the removal of the soft caps like you say. Despite wanting to be a caster/healer I chose a Bosmer because I liked the race, and at launch racials were not nearly as important as they are now. I totally regret making this choice, but I am stuck with it until they offer a race change, because an alt is just not an option for me.

dodgehopper_ESO

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

Tandor wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Man I am tired of hearing this. My character's racial passives no longer match my build and play style anymore and it has nothing to do with any decision I made and EVERYTHING to do with changes zos made. Please stop with this ridiculous finger pointing.

All these excuses to keep race changes out of the game are petty.

Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »

As has been pointed out again and again, if you don't want to change your race, allowing others to do so only benefits you - more money in the ZOS kitty with zero impact on you. All this crap about 'pressure to change your race to compete' won't affect you, because hey you picked your race for the back story so will take the moral high ground and rise above said pressure..

The way to compensate for changes to racial passives having resulted in characters' performance being changed is through appropriate balancing changes with those passives. If there is a valid issue with racial passives resulting in competitive players feeling they have no option but to change the race of their characters then that should be addressed by the developers. Simply making players responsible for reacting to imperfect changes in racial passives is dodging the issue on the part of the developers, and passing the buck to the players in a way that will be doubtless be implemented so as to raise cash in the crown store. That is an unfortunate precedent we should resist.

I suspect that people make too much of the perceived racial passive imbalances, but if they are an issue they should be re-visited by the developers. If a certain race change is necessary to allow the character to be competitive (and once again we are doubtless talking about a change that is necessary wholly or primarily for PvP) then it certainly shouldn't be accessible through the crown store or we shall have the whole P2W crowd up in arms.

Even if I don't want to change my characters' races, it impacts on me in two ways. First, it is another step down the road of dumbing down the MMO genre when every decision taken is capable of being changed later on by the players while the developers no longer need to provide proper balancing to the game, and second it is likely to set an undesirable precedent of changes in the game being available through the crown store and not through normal patching process. I object to it on both counts.

I wholeheartedly agree, @Tandor. You understand exactly what I've been saying. I'd personally rather that all racial passives were just removed from the game, than see this slippery slope of being charged for bad game design. People should feel comfortable playing whatever race they like in the game. I can understand the annoyance many players have about their initial race choices, in part because not only have races changed but so too have classes, and underlying game systems. Nevertheless, I don't think we the player should reward the game company for changing the rules on us and charging us to adapt. This would be like playing a game of Chess with someone, only they had the right to change the movements each piece could make at every turn, and at a whim. This scenario is preposterous, it is bad for the longevity of the game, and bad for the player. Like I've said before, if you don't like balance changes to a race, demand for them to fix that. Begging for the ability to buy a race change just promotes them to lazily soak you for cash while still keeping the underlying game unbalanced.

dodgehopper_ESO

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

AngryNord wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against race changes... That is like me being against someone getting their own haircut IRL... IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!

There's a VERY BIG difference between getting a new haircut and going from hispanic to Asian.

Race change would be more like going from human to komodo dragon, or platypus, or cactus.

dodgehopper_ESO

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

AngryNord wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I will never understand why people are against race changes... That is like me being against someone getting their own haircut IRL... IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!

There's a VERY BIG difference between getting a new haircut and going from hispanic to Asian.

Race change would be more like going from human to komodo dragon, or platypus, or cactus.

theweakminded

I won't use, but don't care if they add race changes.

All I have to say is, No Faction Change...

Attorneyatlawl

I want to change my race, but only if racials are drastically changed.

@dodgehopper_ESO , That's why I've suggested previously in feedback to make the races into "skins" and bundle up the passives in sets of three in a new skill line such as "Racial Legacy" where you get one point (respeccable) to choose a passive, which provides three bonuses similar to how a current race pick does. Your character creation choice would then just determine your appearance. It appears that the passives will likely remain tied to the appearance and not be changeable from the impression I've gotten at this point of time, unfortunately.

Nostramo

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

No. What is next, class changes?

Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...

If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?

Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!

Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.

Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.

Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.

Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.

separating players into two camps like that is stupid. I am not a total min/maxer, but I do care about my racials. I agree that if they remove vet ranks this will be less of an issue (especially with the xp pots).

And how exactly does it affect you that I change my toon? You don't know my race now, and if you saw me in game after a race change you wouldn't know either...

Your (and half of the server's) changing race/gender/class is simply not natural and not lore fitting.

leshpar

I won't use, but don't care if they add race changes.

I'm an argonian. I'll always be an argonian and I always have been an argonian since TES2 Daggerfall. Every time I try to play a different race I lose interest in less than 10 hours. I love argonians that much.

All of that said, I think paid race changes should be allowed, or at least paid faction changes. What if I started out in the pact but I found a great group of people to play with who are all aldmeri? I don't want to reroll. I want to be able to play with them.

Snowballer23

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

Alphashado wrote: »

This might be the most biased poll I have ever seen on this forum. I refuse to even vote on it.

Many many months ago I rolled a Breton NB because I wanted a Bow/melee Rogue type character and stamina SUCKED. Since then ZoS has made many changes to magicka/stamina builds including making some of the best NB skills cost stamina. Hense now through no fault of my own, my character is no longer optimal for the kind of playstyle I envisioned when I created it.

This isn't because of bad choices at character creation, this is because ZOS changed everything. Considering the ridiculous grind to V14 there is no way I am going to trudge through it all again and reroll my character just because of developmental decisions that I had zero control over.

I am usually the last person to support any kind of entitlement, but in this situation people that had established characters effected by ZoS decisions and not their own, should at least have the option to purchase a race change.

And finally, why do you even care? It has zero effect on you.

Agree

akray21

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

No. What is next, class changes?

Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...

If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?

Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!

Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.

Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.

Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.

Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.

separating players into two camps like that is stupid. I am not a total min/maxer, but I do care about my racials. I agree that if they remove vet ranks this will be less of an issue (especially with the xp pots).

And how exactly does it affect you that I change my toon? You don't know my race now, and if you saw me in game after a race change you wouldn't know either...

Your (and half of the server's) changing race/gender/class is simply not natural and not lore fitting.

If you are worried about other players breaking lore then you should play single player games... people break lore all the time with things such as stupid names...

Jeckll

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

I wont change my race but I would love to give others the opportunity to do so. Doesnt hurt me, doesnt hurt anyone. If you are not happy with your race, be it because of racials or because of looks, you should have the option to change it without having to reroll.

Junkogen

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Like I've said before, if you don't like balance changes to a race, demand for them to fix that. Begging for the ability to buy a race change just promotes them to lazily soak you for cash while still keeping the underlying game unbalanced.

I've been demanding racial balance for a while and they went ahead and nerfed the Argonian passives to make them even more marginally useful. I think they're too concerned about keeping to the original design. If it's poorly designed and doesn't work well with the rest of the game, throw it out.

Also, they're trying to keep the passives too unique at the expense of utility. It's clear that resource boosts to stamina and magicka have the most usefulness. So the devs should quit clinging to their original poor choices and give all the races an equal footing in the game. All races should have a 10% boost to a resource or something comparable. They need to stop trying to fix bad racials and replace them with proven ones.

xMovingTarget

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

Jeckll wrote: »

I wont change my race but I would love to give others the opportunity to do so. Doesnt hurt me, doesnt hurt anyone. If you are not happy with your race, be it because of racials or because of looks, you should have the option to change it without having to reroll.

You are overpowered imperial.

akray21

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

Junkogen wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Like I've said before, if you don't like balance changes to a race, demand for them to fix that. Begging for the ability to buy a race change just promotes them to lazily soak you for cash while still keeping the underlying game unbalanced.

I've been demanding racial balance for a while and they went ahead and nerfed the Argonian passives to make them even more marginally useful. I think they're too concerned about keeping to the original design. If it's poorly designed and doesn't work well with the rest of the game, throw it out.

Also, they're trying to keep the passives too unique at the expense of utility. It's clear that resource boosts to stamina and magicka have the most usefulness. So the devs should quit clinging to their original poor choices and give all the races an equal footing in the game. All races should have a 10% boost to a resource or something comparable. They need to stop trying to fix bad racials and replace them with proven ones.

They should have just left the racials as small experience gain passives.

So five days in and over 500 votes on this thread and only about 1/3 don't want a race change... this looks like a clear choice ZOS.

Vaerth

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Instead of offering race changes, balance racials as they are without drastically changing them up, so people who chose their race to match their build don't find that their build suddenly doesn't work. I like that some choices are permanent, and your race should really be the most permanent of your permanent choices. If you do introduce race changes, then people will likely start asking for class changes as well... after all, your class seems to hold less permanence than your race, so why not?

... And if you absolutely must introduce race (and possibly class) changes, please make them cost a ton of crowns.

EDIT: To clarify, Option 4 means you want a race change because ZOS changed racials drastically or you want one IF ZOS changes racials drastically.

How dare you try and whine about what other people want when it would NOT EVEN HAVE ANY EFFECT ON YOU WHAT SO EVER!

Saft

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

This must be a failed poll for creator. Even tho the poll in its topic name and answers apear quite biased toward its bad with store race changes. The poll result itself shows its no majority in favor of not having race changes. In fact it is a slight majority that want it. So i really hope zenimax add it.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

No. What is next, class changes?

Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...

If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?

So what if they want it.

The ONLY thing I have ever parted with money for in WoW (other than the sub) is a Race and Class change.

If I change my Race how does it affect you at all?
If I change from NB to DK how does that affect you at all?

It doesn't.

Games that fail to give consumers choices are games that fail... ..end of.

All The Best

akray21

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

Saft wrote: »

This must be a failed poll for creator. Even tho the poll in its topic name and answers apear quite biased toward its bad with store race changes. The poll result itself shows its no majority in favor of not having race changes. In fact it is a slight majority that want it. So i really hope zenimax add it.

I would say it is more than slight majority in favor... right now it is only 34% against it, in politics that is a landslide

necrodarklingb16_ESO

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

First its laughable intranparent that you now can only agree with comments (ingsightfull, agree, awesome)
The way the Store develops is exactly as expected it goes down the drain fast

PKMN12

I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.

necrodarklingb16_ESO wrote: »

First its laughable intranparent that you now can only agree with comments (ingsightfull, agree, awesome)
The way the Store develops is exactly as expected it goes down the drain fast

um, unless it was sometihng i am missing, or from VERY early beta, you have NEVER Been able to "downvote" a post. The LOL button was meant as an ACTUAL "tis is funny", not as a "downvote" kind of thing, which is why they got rid of it, because people were using it for the wrong reasons.

as for poll, does not matter, they have already said they are adding race changes, so unless there was a MASSIVE negative reaction, which there clearly is not considering only about a quarter are even against it in the first place, it is coming eventually.

Alphashado

Something tells me that the vast majority of people using the "wow you are too lazy to roll another character" argument are below level 50 and have no idea what they are talking about.

Nostramo

I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

No. What is next, class changes?

Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...

If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?

Too lazy!? I am too lazy because I don't want to spend 14 days of actual time (probably more since all grid spots were nerfed to H***) to do all the quests that I have already done once, just to reach VR14, and THEN go into PvP to level my alliance skill line to get all the needed alliance war skills like vigor, magicka detonation, and all the needed passives. This makes me 'too lazy'!? I am sorry that I have a family, a job, a dog, own a home, and have other responsibilities. I am sorry, but I have played my current character for 9 months and I STILL don't have all the skills I need/want to be 100% effective in end game. I am not lazy, I am being realistic!

Besides all that, some people like me don't even like to have alts, they enjoy playing with one character as it is a representation of them in game. People change, and so do their tastes/ styles... this is why all MMO's offer something like this in them. Let me enjoy the game the way I want, and I will let you enjoy it the way you want.

Well they will remove those veteran ranks soon so I guess good news. Champion points based end game won't be that difficult compared to veteran grinding.. And you would already be doing good progress by now with your new Imperial (or Breton?) if you would focus on him/her instead of waiting for a possible cash shop potion.

Alts were always been a part of mmorpgs, it has been this way for like 20 years? Someone changing his character completely just because he wanted to try something different is lore and atmosphere breaking for players like me.

Nevertheless if you are not a min/maxer then you should have no problem with your racials. If you are a min/maxer then you are not a casual and shouldn't be too hard for you to create another character especially considering the new changes.

separating players into two camps like that is stupid. I am not a total min/maxer, but I do care about my racials. I agree that if they remove vet ranks this will be less of an issue (especially with the xp pots).

And how exactly does it affect you that I change my toon? You don't know my race now, and if you saw me in game after a race change you wouldn't know either...

Your (and half of the server's) changing race/gender/class is simply not natural and not lore fitting.

If you are worried about other players breaking lore then you should play single player games... people break lore all the time with things such as stupid names...

So it is me, the guy who did a bit research, picked his race and class according to lore and his gameplay style should go play something else and not the guys who picked a race and class but decided to try something different on the halfway or saw Imperials are doing %5 more damage etc but too lazy to actually create a different character?

You don't even get such an option in single player games. You can't just turn your Dovahkiin into Nerevarine because it just doesn't make any sense no?

I play mmorpgs for years and if I am not happy with my character decision I just umm reroll because that is why we have alts and rerolls you know. So yeah I don't think the problem is me playing mmorpgs.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

nostramo.quintuseb17_ESO wrote: »

No. What is next, class changes?

Again with the slippery slope argument, you people have to stop using that, it is not a valid argument... What is next? The end of the world? That is eventually where that argument leads... Race changes lead to the end of the world...

If people are too lazy to create an alt because they are not happy with their race choice, what is stopping them from wanting a class change too?

So what if they want it.

The ONLY thing I have ever parted with money for in WoW (other than the sub) is a Race and Class change.

If I change my Race how does it affect you at all?
If I change from NB to DK how does that affect you at all?

It doesn't.

Games that fail to give consumers choices are games that fail... ..end of.

All The Best

It affects me because I don't want to see that Orc Mage I saw yesterday as a Breton Templar today. Just like how I won't wake up and see Obama as a Russian Samurai tomorrow. According to you M16 bow skins pack, Dwemer automobile pack or Elvis costumes pack that will destroy the atmosphere should also be a part of our choices and as long as it doesn't affect me directly and I have no saying on it?