Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

Fact is, for solo pvp Nightblade and Sorcerers have an upper hand against Templars and Dragonknights.

I'd beg to differ

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

Fact is, for solo pvp Nightblade and Sorcerers have an upper hand against Templars and Dragonknights.

I'd beg to differ

It's not a matter of whether it's possible or not. I've seen Dragonknights and Templars pull it off, and in small scale fights or even slightly outnumbered fights 1v3, 1v4, 1v5 it doesn't make as huge of a difference if any at all.

My perspective is coming from the scenario when you are fighting a few guys and 5-10 more show up or are approaching from the distance. Explain to me how a DK/Templar can rebalance or regain the edge in that scenario. Some are using mistform, some might use speed buffs and that can work at times, but how efficient is that compared to speed/cloak Magicka/Stam NB or Bolt Escaping with sorc?

There are so many Zergs and "elite" 24 Man guilds running about now a days and it's a pain in the ass to have to accept defeat if they get within range while on a DK/Templar, while if you're playing a sorc/nb your odds of survival are much higher.

I find it funny that Sorcs and Nb's have built in class speed buffs (40% from lightening form or double take) on top of their escape abilities (cloak/streak) while DK's and Templars don't even have a built in class specific speed buff. It wasn't an issue before 1.6, the DK didn't have to move fast to be successful, we had our dodge chance (RIP Cinder Storm) and our Reflect which served as an escape ability in a way. I can't comment on templars because I haven't played one yet.


Don't get me wrong, I've seen your video and it looks nice, but I disagree that you put the survivability/effectiveness of DKs and Templars on the same scale as Sorc's and Nightblades (speaking from the perspective of equally skilled players, not your run of the mill pug)

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

Fact is, for solo pvp Nightblade and Sorcerers have an upper hand against Templars and Dragonknights.

I'd beg to differ

It's not a matter of whether it's possible or not. I've seen Dragonknights and Templars pull it off, and in small scale fights or even slightly outnumbered fights 1v3, 1v4, 1v5 it doesn't make as huge of a difference if any at all.

My perspective is coming from the scenario when you are fighting a few guys and 5-10 more show up or are approaching from the distance. Explain to me how a DK/Templar can rebalance or regain the edge in that scenario. Some are using mistform, some might use speed buffs and that can work at times, but how efficient is that compared to speed/cloak Magicka/Stam NB or Bolt Escaping with sorc?

There are so many Zergs and "elite" 24 Man guilds running about now a days and it's a pain in the ass to have to accept defeat if they get within range while on a DK/Templar, while if you're playing a sorc/nb your odds of survival are much higher.

I find it funny that Sorcs and Nb's have built in class speed buffs (40% from lightening form or double take) on top of their escape abilities (cloak/streak) while DK's and Templars don't even have a built in class specific speed buff. It wasn't an issue before 1.6, the DK didn't have to move fast to be successful, we had our dodge chance (RIP Cinder Storm) and our Reflect which served as an escape ability in a way. I can't comment on templars because I haven't played one yet.


Don't get me wrong, I've seen your video and it looks nice, but I disagree that you put the survivability/effectiveness of DKs and Templars on the same scale as Sorc's and Nightblades (speaking from the perspective of equally skilled players, not your run of the mill pug)

I see what your saying with your perspective but I don't understand it. 1.5 was more or less the same where as a DK or Templar you had no escape and so you had to kill them all or you die, why is it every DK nowadays is pulling this whole 'we cant escape' bull, no offense but to me that's just an excuse, no offense intended but we couldn't escape before we fought as many as we could till we died or they did, why has that changed now??

Almost every DK is saying that and it confuses the hell outta me, all these people regarded as OP and Powerful, turns out it was the class and not the player.

Don't get me wrong this isn't directed at you not at ALL, this in particular is a general accusation at all the so called 'Top Tier' DK's if you were so OP during 1.5 whats stopping you now??? I'm pretty bad, ask anyone EU yet I'm doing fine, so WTF is wrong with the rest of you? learn to play your class with all the broken nerfs that Zos brought #RIPCinderStorm and get better at it, don't just toss it to the sideline like some glory hunter only playing whats powerful

I think the basic principle here that we can all agree on is that a templar and dk have to commit to a fight once they are engaged whereas a nb or sorc have the option to get out of most situations if they chose. Sorc can do it much easier but nb can pull it off, whereas templar and dk aren't equipped to play that way. Ever the tankiest dk or healiest templar isn't going to be able to shake a 24 man zerg off their tail once they get its attention.

The best movement skill in the game is probably Retreating Maneuver. Even my sorc keeps it loaded 80% of the time, only dropping it if I'm in a raid where others are assigned to maintain it.

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

Fact is, for solo pvp Nightblade and Sorcerers have an upper hand against Templars and Dragonknights.

I'd beg to differ

It's not a matter of whether it's possible or not. I've seen Dragonknights and Templars pull it off, and in small scale fights or even slightly outnumbered fights 1v3, 1v4, 1v5 it doesn't make as huge of a difference if any at all.

My perspective is coming from the scenario when you are fighting a few guys and 5-10 more show up or are approaching from the distance. Explain to me how a DK/Templar can rebalance or regain the edge in that scenario. Some are using mistform, some might use speed buffs and that can work at times, but how efficient is that compared to speed/cloak Magicka/Stam NB or Bolt Escaping with sorc?

There are so many Zergs and "elite" 24 Man guilds running about now a days and it's a pain in the ass to have to accept defeat if they get within range while on a DK/Templar, while if you're playing a sorc/nb your odds of survival are much higher.

I find it funny that Sorcs and Nb's have built in class speed buffs (40% from lightening form or double take) on top of their escape abilities (cloak/streak) while DK's and Templars don't even have a built in class specific speed buff. It wasn't an issue before 1.6, the DK didn't have to move fast to be successful, we had our dodge chance (RIP Cinder Storm) and our Reflect which served as an escape ability in a way. I can't comment on templars because I haven't played one yet.


Don't get me wrong, I've seen your video and it looks nice, but I disagree that you put the survivability/effectiveness of DKs and Templars on the same scale as Sorc's and Nightblades (speaking from the perspective of equally skilled players, not your run of the mill pug)

I see what your saying with your perspective but I don't understand it. 1.5 was more or less the same where as a DK or Templar you had no escape and so you had to kill them all or you die, why is it every DK nowadays is pulling this whole 'we cant escape' bull, no offense but to me that's just an excuse, no offense intended but we couldn't escape before we fought as many as we could till we died or they did, why has that changed now??

Almost every DK is saying that and it confuses the hell outta me, all these people regarded as OP and Powerful, turns out it was the class and not the player.

Don't get me wrong this isn't directed at you not at ALL, this in particular is a general accusation at all the so called 'Top Tier' DK's if you were so OP during 1.5 whats stopping you now??? I'm pretty bad, ask anyone EU yet I'm doing fine, so WTF is wrong with the rest of you? learn to play your class with all the broken nerfs that Zos brought #RIPCinderStorm and get better at it, don't just toss it to the sideline like some glory hunter only playing whats powerful

It's not the same because the game has changed. The time to kill is so low in 1.6 and the block costs prohibitive if you do not spec for it that it is much more difficult to stand and fight, especially with the nerf to ultimate regen that DKs relied upon more than any other class.

There probably is a way to sort of recreate the light armor DK "tank" that was so prominent before 1.6 with some combination of champion points, gear, and creative skill usage, but why go through all this trouble when the stamina option is so strong now? Especially since you dont have to worry about nirbhoned stackers.

If you were too heavily outnumbered with a DK in 1.5 you were usually destined to die - same as now. The difference is that then you could at least put up a decent and fun fight, and with luck, someone might suicide on the scales. Now with the nerfs to health and blocking, and some undodgeable hard hitting attacks, it's just straight to respawn point, so it's a bit less fun.

A 1vX fight that was actually winnable in 1.5 may be so even today, but those were always hard to find. It only takes one experienced player to shut you down. But then again, my dk was never too OP in the first place.

Some nice fights in the video btw.

Why don´t you use a master greatsword btw? Just curious :P

Sypher wrote: »

@WarrioroftheWind_ESO yes we have those fights recorded and will post it in a montage of other clips eventually.

@Soulac if only I had one!

would like to try something with my stamina NB as well, but with going 2h i´d lose too much dmg without master 2h -_-

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

Fact is, for solo pvp Nightblade and Sorcerers have an upper hand against Templars and Dragonknights.

I'd beg to differ

It's not a matter of whether it's possible or not. I've seen Dragonknights and Templars pull it off, and in small scale fights or even slightly outnumbered fights 1v3, 1v4, 1v5 it doesn't make as huge of a difference if any at all.

My perspective is coming from the scenario when you are fighting a few guys and 5-10 more show up or are approaching from the distance. Explain to me how a DK/Templar can rebalance or regain the edge in that scenario. Some are using mistform, some might use speed buffs and that can work at times, but how efficient is that compared to speed/cloak Magicka/Stam NB or Bolt Escaping with sorc?

There are so many Zergs and "elite" 24 Man guilds running about now a days and it's a pain in the ass to have to accept defeat if they get within range while on a DK/Templar, while if you're playing a sorc/nb your odds of survival are much higher.

I find it funny that Sorcs and Nb's have built in class speed buffs (40% from lightening form or double take) on top of their escape abilities (cloak/streak) while DK's and Templars don't even have a built in class specific speed buff. It wasn't an issue before 1.6, the DK didn't have to move fast to be successful, we had our dodge chance (RIP Cinder Storm) and our Reflect which served as an escape ability in a way. I can't comment on templars because I haven't played one yet.


Don't get me wrong, I've seen your video and it looks nice, but I disagree that you put the survivability/effectiveness of DKs and Templars on the same scale as Sorc's and Nightblades (speaking from the perspective of equally skilled players, not your run of the mill pug)

I see what your saying with your perspective but I don't understand it. 1.5 was more or less the same where as a DK or Templar you had no escape and so you had to kill them all or you die, why is it every DK nowadays is pulling this whole 'we cant escape' bull, no offense but to me that's just an excuse, no offense intended but we couldn't escape before we fought as many as we could till we died or they did, why has that changed now??

Almost every DK is saying that and it confuses the hell outta me, all these people regarded as OP and Powerful, turns out it was the class and not the player.

Don't get me wrong this isn't directed at you not at ALL, this in particular is a general accusation at all the so called 'Top Tier' DK's if you were so OP during 1.5 whats stopping you now??? I'm pretty bad, ask anyone EU yet I'm doing fine, so WTF is wrong with the rest of you? learn to play your class with all the broken nerfs that Zos brought #RIPCinderStorm and get better at it, don't just toss it to the sideline like some glory hunter only playing whats powerful

Perhaps pvp hasnt changed much in the EU then. On the NA the new meta is attack then runaway. So as a DK you get into a fight if you survive the initial stealth attack and attack back you watch your opponent either bolt away or go back into stealth, then they just come back to attack when you are preoccupied with someone else.For me i dont want an escape abilitiy, i want a better pursuit ability. It doesnt have to be a DK exclusive ability even, i'd be happy with an increased range to shield invasion.

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

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I am working with some speed buffs on my DK to try to come close to the speed/maneuverability that I have on my sorc or nb but I'm not sure how the outcome will work.

I'll be streaming DK pvp today in a couple of hours.

A Rapid morph or Quick Cloak?
Or the Minor from Charging stacked on top of Quick Cloak?

I'd also like to say that you have the loudest keyboard ever.

krim wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Sooooo......your DK is dead huh

Fact is, for solo pvp Nightblade and Sorcerers have an upper hand against Templars and Dragonknights.

I'd beg to differ

It's not a matter of whether it's possible or not. I've seen Dragonknights and Templars pull it off, and in small scale fights or even slightly outnumbered fights 1v3, 1v4, 1v5 it doesn't make as huge of a difference if any at all.

My perspective is coming from the scenario when you are fighting a few guys and 5-10 more show up or are approaching from the distance. Explain to me how a DK/Templar can rebalance or regain the edge in that scenario. Some are using mistform, some might use speed buffs and that can work at times, but how efficient is that compared to speed/cloak Magicka/Stam NB or Bolt Escaping with sorc?

There are so many Zergs and "elite" 24 Man guilds running about now a days and it's a pain in the ass to have to accept defeat if they get within range while on a DK/Templar, while if you're playing a sorc/nb your odds of survival are much higher.

I find it funny that Sorcs and Nb's have built in class speed buffs (40% from lightening form or double take) on top of their escape abilities (cloak/streak) while DK's and Templars don't even have a built in class specific speed buff. It wasn't an issue before 1.6, the DK didn't have to move fast to be successful, we had our dodge chance (RIP Cinder Storm) and our Reflect which served as an escape ability in a way. I can't comment on templars because I haven't played one yet.


Don't get me wrong, I've seen your video and it looks nice, but I disagree that you put the survivability/effectiveness of DKs and Templars on the same scale as Sorc's and Nightblades (speaking from the perspective of equally skilled players, not your run of the mill pug)

I see what your saying with your perspective but I don't understand it. 1.5 was more or less the same where as a DK or Templar you had no escape and so you had to kill them all or you die, why is it every DK nowadays is pulling this whole 'we cant escape' bull, no offense but to me that's just an excuse, no offense intended but we couldn't escape before we fought as many as we could till we died or they did, why has that changed now??

Almost every DK is saying that and it confuses the hell outta me, all these people regarded as OP and Powerful, turns out it was the class and not the player.

Don't get me wrong this isn't directed at you not at ALL, this in particular is a general accusation at all the so called 'Top Tier' DK's if you were so OP during 1.5 whats stopping you now??? I'm pretty bad, ask anyone EU yet I'm doing fine, so WTF is wrong with the rest of you? learn to play your class with all the broken nerfs that Zos brought #RIPCinderStorm and get better at it, don't just toss it to the sideline like some glory hunter only playing whats powerful

Actually there was an escape... It was called rapid and mist form. Im tired of people now telling folks who prefer 1.5 to learn to play.. Obviously sypher doesnt need to learn to play.. Its just ridiculous honestly hes still out here wrecking fools in the new game. Like i said back in the day to all the qq from bow users on the forums no matter what they change the good players are still going to be using the strongest mechanics and owning fools.

I guarantee if your a dk and you charge into a group of 5-10 enemies i will crush you with fear and you wont last more than 20 seconds.

Don't think you understood what I wrote

Mist Form.