(Regarding ESO Plus This Dead Horse) ZOS We Love Ya But Help Us To Help You

Heromofo · April 2015

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?
Well.......
I see it as preorder crowns.
I see no reason to subbing.
I see no new content as they pointed out atleast not for the next few months.
I see it is better to just buy the dlc instead of renting it and losing it if i dont sub.
I see the exp bonus worthless like srsly worthless lol it does not even make the smallest dent.

Zos are you seeing the picture i mean i love b2p but dont you want subs?.

Well Mofo Its Easy To Complain But Where Are Your Solutions Then?
Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

Heromofo · April 2015

Seriously ZOS

Heromofo · April 2015

A simple yay or nay guys would be great or maybe your own version but something should be done before console release trust me there will be more of them than pc players within a year.

If you need to see why console will i recommend this video.

https://youtu.be/26TrNMEsXEE

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2015

Your video is 37 minutes long tutorial in Bleakrock Isle,. Can you be more specific and tell me the time/part of the video, that explains why most players will go to the console version?

Heromofo · April 2015

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Your video is 37 minutes long tutorial in Bleakrock Isle,. Can you be more specific and tell me the time/part of the video, that explains why most players will go to the console version?

Aaah sorry bud the video belongs to force not myself but i love his voice.
Its hard to show see force back in beta pc was really against the idea for console the fact the console version changed his opinion so far shows a good sign for consoles. But it is only based off me and my mates opinion we were hard core pc gamers so take it as you will.

Forztr · April 2015

Well if they used the SWTOR model.

Subs would get
500 crowns not 1500
0% Xp bonus (this changes to 12x for main story quests soon though)
12 character slots instead of 8
Have to pay for major expansions

Non Subs
Would be limited to 6 characters
Get reduced rewards from quests
Have to pay to use legendary gear
Have money capped at 35k (it's 350k in SWTOR but that probably equates to 35k gold in TESO)
Have to buy weekly passes for Trials and PVP
The list of restrictions goes on and on and on.

So if you want to use SWTOR as an example you'd get slightly less than you do now as a sub but as a non sub you'd get drastically less.

Also SWTOR make a bulk of their money from the cash shop through packs that contain random stuff. Not sure how this community would like having to buy multiple packs at 250crowns a pop in the hope of getting a cool mount or costume.

Currently the crown store is a little lacking but there are things people will pay for that aren't yet in the store such as appearance modifications, xp potions and bag/bank space to name three I'd pay real money for.

Lifsteinn · April 2015

A lot o people complaining about "Pay To Win" and then someone comes here and asks for Gold and Champion Points for his money spent...

Reduced cooldown on Horse food, as we saw another day, is a good idea.
But NO gold, champion points, further XP boosts and nothing like that.

Heromofo · April 2015

Lifsteinn wrote: »

A lot o people complaining about "Pay To Win" and then someone comes here and asks for Gold and Champion Points for his money spent...

Reduced cooldown on Horse food, as we saw another day, is a good idea.
But NO gold, champion points, further XP boosts and nothing like that.

The bonus does bother me as much but all i know is there is no point to subbing atm and i think thats a shame and not really a smart decision on there side hence why there are so many dang threads and polls on this since it went b2p lol.

MCMancub · April 2015

The problem is that you assume subscribers spend more dollars than B2P, so by extension they deserve more rewards than what they're directly paying for in addition to the perks already granted for your commitment. The free DLC and EXP/gold/etc increase is granted for your commitment.

Because there are many situations where it just simply isn't true that subscribers pay more, all ZOS can really do is give you the crowns you pay for. Granting anything more places a higher value on subscriptions when they may not actually be worth more than B2P players.

This argument really depends on the math, though. It only holds if, on average, a B2P player spends at least as much per month in the crown store as a subscriber pays in fees. Personally I've spent 3 months worth of subscriptions in the 1 month we've had the crown store, but not everyone is like that.

TL;DR: If the average B2P player spends at least $15 per month, subscriptions are getting exactly what they pay for.

Gidorick · April 2015

I had a very robust list of eso+ benefit suggestions here. I include many other game's subscriptions in that post for reference: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions/p1

but through conversation and consideration, I've pretty much dwindled what I expect in an ESO+ subscription to:

Crown Store discount
Additional Character slots
Priority Queuing in Cyrodiil
Greater Character Deletion Limit

Not to much to ask I don't think. I do think in game gold and CPs is too much to ask for. That's to direct of a benefit. The 25% boost... I think that would be good, and being able to keep the DLC would also be nice.

Heromofo · April 2015

MCMancub wrote: »

The problem is that you assume subscribers spend more dollars than B2P, so by extension they deserve more rewards than what they're directly paying for in addition to the perks already granted for your commitment. The free DLC and EXP/gold/etc increase is granted for your commitment.

Because there are many situations where it just simply isn't true that subscribers pay more, all ZOS can really do is give you the crowns you pay for. Granting anything more places a higher value on subscriptions when they may not actually be worth more than B2P players.

This argument really depends on the math, though. It only holds if, on average, a B2P player spends at least as much per month in the crown store as a subscriber pays in fees. Personally I've spent 3 months worth of subscriptions in the 1 month we've had the crown store, but not everyone is like that.

TL;DR: If the average B2P player spends at least $15 per month, subscriptions are getting exactly what they pay for.

Subbing is like a contract saying we will be giving them money each month where a b2p can choose if they want to pay or not hell im sure alot of b2p players wont even go near the crown store.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?

Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

For all of the above suggestions, No
The program may not suit your needs but it should in no way give a subscriber the items that a player should achieve.
It's not even that your suggestion is pay to win but instead it's pay to not have to play.

For those of us who enjoy the game who also realize the program is not set for "now" but set to make sense for the future, at this time any changes seem silly and premature as there is no DLC

Just wait as this just rolled out

Heromofo · April 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?

Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

For all of the above suggestions, No
The program may not suit your needs but it should in no way give a subscriber the items that a player should achieve.
It's not even that your suggestion is pay to win but instead it's pay to not have to play.

For those of us who enjoy the game who also realize the program is not set for "now" but set to make sense for the future, at this time any changes seem silly and premature as there is no DLC

Just wait as this just rolled out

Yeah but something has to give there really is not much of a reason to sub atm when console hit i want to see a massive boost in zos income to push this game back up.

We all love elder scrolls in our own way lol.

Gidorick · April 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?

Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

For all of the above suggestions, No
The program may not suit your needs but it should in no way give a subscriber the items that a player should achieve.
It's not even that your suggestion is pay to win but instead it's pay to not have to play.

For those of us who enjoy the game who also realize the program is not set for "now" but set to make sense for the future, at this time any changes seem silly and premature as there is no DLC

Just wait as this just rolled out

Yeah but something has to give there really is not much of a reason to sub atm when console hit i want to see a massive boost in zos income to push this game back up.

We all love elder scrolls in our own way lol.

And many of us aren't willing to subscribe simply for the sake of subscribing... which is pretty much what an ESO+ subscriber is doing.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?

Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

For all of the above suggestions, No
The program may not suit your needs but it should in no way give a subscriber the items that a player should achieve.
It's not even that your suggestion is pay to win but instead it's pay to not have to play.

For those of us who enjoy the game who also realize the program is not set for "now" but set to make sense for the future, at this time any changes seem silly and premature as there is no DLC

Just wait as this just rolled out

Yeah but something has to give there really is not much of a reason to sub atm when console hit i want to see a massive boost in zos income to push this game back up.

We all love elder scrolls in our own way lol.

Then don't sub. I understand a lot of people's confusion around the benefits offered but the intent is not to pressure everyone into paying for a sub. It's actually the exact opposit.

By design the ESO plus is to capture those who do not want to be forced to pay for DLC but instead opt to pay "one" sub and have access to all content. as it is now, someone can miss two or three DLC and sub once to play it all.
Or the next gamer who always keeps an active sub, they get some exp bonus and crowns to either spend on DLC or other crown items but they keep access to all content.
Then there is another group that won't sub and will only buy DLC as needed

Right now it covers all but if you start changing things to pressure people into "having" to sub to be made viable, then it confuses the reason the sub requirement was lifted.

Just let it exist for 6-8 months as is and let's see where this goes after a few DLC hit. Then it's value will be raised a lot

Heromofo · April 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?

Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

For all of the above suggestions, No
The program may not suit your needs but it should in no way give a subscriber the items that a player should achieve.
It's not even that your suggestion is pay to win but instead it's pay to not have to play.

For those of us who enjoy the game who also realize the program is not set for "now" but set to make sense for the future, at this time any changes seem silly and premature as there is no DLC

Just wait as this just rolled out

Yeah but something has to give there really is not much of a reason to sub atm when console hit i want to see a massive boost in zos income to push this game back up.

We all love elder scrolls in our own way lol.

Then don't sub. I understand a lot of people's confusion around the benefits offered but the intent is not to pressure everyone into paying for a sub. It's actually the exact opposit.

By design the ESO plus is to capture those who do not want to be forced to pay for DLC but instead opt to pay "one" sub and have access to all content. as it is now, someone can miss two or three DLC and sub once to play it all.
Or the next gamer who always keeps an active sub, they get some exp bonus and crowns to either spend on DLC or other crown items but they keep access to all content.
Then there is another group that won't sub and will only buy DLC as needed

Right now it covers all but if you start changing things to pressure people into "having" to sub to be made viable, then it confuses the reason the sub requirement was lifted.

Just let it exist for 6-8 months as is and let's see where this goes after a few DLC hit. Then it's value will be raised a lot

Not a bad idea but i would still like them to consider if someone buys six months worth of subbing then any dlc in that time should be given to them after the sub ends. This way it makes subbing feel worth while without pressuring anyone into it.

nimander99 · April 2015

The only reason I am still sub'd (even though I'm not really playing) is because this is far and away my favorite game and I want my money to go towards development of more content. There just isn't much to do that I haven't done a thousand times already, so ill stay sub'd for now and hope for the release of content that I'm sure is done.

MCMancub · April 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

The problem is that you assume subscribers spend more dollars than B2P, so by extension they deserve more rewards than what they're directly paying for in addition to the perks already granted for your commitment. The free DLC and EXP/gold/etc increase is granted for your commitment.

Because there are many situations where it just simply isn't true that subscribers pay more, all ZOS can really do is give you the crowns you pay for. Granting anything more places a higher value on subscriptions when they may not actually be worth more than B2P players.

This argument really depends on the math, though. It only holds if, on average, a B2P player spends at least as much per month in the crown store as a subscriber pays in fees. Personally I've spent 3 months worth of subscriptions in the 1 month we've had the crown store, but not everyone is like that.

TL;DR: If the average B2P player spends at least $15 per month, subscriptions are getting exactly what they pay for.

Subbing is like a contract saying we will be giving them money each month where a b2p can choose if they want to pay or not hell im sure alot of b2p players wont even go near the crown store.

Subbing isn't a contract, at least not now that the game is B2P. You are free to cancel or start a subscription at anytime. All it is is a method for you to make monthly purchases without having to physical make those purchases each month. The more months you purchase at one time, the cheaper it is (which is exactly how crown purchasing works...).

Before the game went B2P, you might could make an argument for subscriptions being like a contract. You break the contract, you lose access to the game. Now, if you choose you don't want to automatically be billed $15/month but would rather pay on your own accord, you still have access to play the game. Just because you have your subscription set to automatically bill you does not make it a contract or give you some sort privilege over those of us who pay the same amount (or more) each month on our own.

All you're doing is being billed for $15 worth of crowns each month automatically.

Vaerth · April 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?
Well.......
I see it as preorder crowns.
I see no reason to subbing.
I see no new content as they pointed out atleast not for the next few months.
I see it is better to just buy the dlc instead of renting it and losing it if i dont sub.
I see the exp bonus worthless like srsly worthless lol it does not even make the smallest dent.

Zos are you seeing the picture i mean i love b2p but dont you want subs?.

Well Mofo Its Easy To Complain But Where Are Your Solutions Then?
Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

How about they release new content before everyone quits anyway? lol

Heromofo · April 2015

Vaerth wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

This of course refers to eso plus once again another thread to state it but do you guys agree?.

So Why Dont You Like ESO Plus?
Well.......
I see it as preorder crowns.
I see no reason to subbing.
I see no new content as they pointed out atleast not for the next few months.
I see it is better to just buy the dlc instead of renting it and losing it if i dont sub.
I see the exp bonus worthless like srsly worthless lol it does not even make the smallest dent.

Zos are you seeing the picture i mean i love b2p but dont you want subs?.

Well Mofo Its Easy To Complain But Where Are Your Solutions Then?
Well........
Idea 1. Each month get x amount of gold.
Idea 2. Each week gain 3 cp that your subbed.
Idea 3. Instead of 10 make it 25 percent and make it affect alot more.
Idea 4. Make it so if you sub for 6 months the dlc in that release window become yours to keep.

We want to give you more money zos just make it worth our time.
We do love ya zos and we do love eso just help us to help you.

PS:
check out the models of other b2p games and even some f2p games like swtor.

How about they release new content before everyone quits anyway? lol

Ahhaah well something needs to be done lol

Robbmrp · April 2015

I agree with the OP. Current ESO+ rewards just aren't cutting it considering that we can lose DLC if we unsub. If they change that alone, it would help keep people paying the sub imo. Maybe up the research reduction to 25% also. The rest isn't really worth keeping it.

Heromofo · April 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

I agree with the OP. Current ESO+ rewards just aren't cutting it considering that we can lose DLC if we unsub. If they change that alone, it would help keep people paying the sub imo. Maybe up the research reduction to 25% also. The rest isn't really worth keeping it.

Thanks bud but see the coukd just tweak the plus benefits a little and make it so if you sub for 6 months you keep the dlc in that time after. Then they would see a surge in eso support and with each dlc more and more support.

DevilFangs · July 2015

I completely disagree with the original post and all of the ideas contained within it.
I play on ps4, I run 8 characters, I have already subbed for 6 months, I have bought well over 100$ in crowns on top of my sub, in BOTH servers and i have done so for one reason outside of utterly enjoying the Elder Scrolls games since I was a kid playing Daggerfall... Not to mention my fondness of ESO:TU...

That reason being, because I support the game companies I enjoy being a fan of. To the fullest.

I also plan on buying any expansion/add on content as well as continuing to sub.
Why?
Because I support the game companies I am a fan of. To the fullest.

I don't have any delusions that an idea I might have for a game is better than anyone else's, but I also don't hit up forums asking developers to cater to my every whim... Especially when they already do...

You don't want to sub, lucky you, ZOS has made it so you don't have to.

The sub formula you fine folks at ZOS have implemented is perfect the way it is. My wallet agrees.
I will continue my unyielding support in both time and sub / future crown purchases.

Those that don't, well they are probably tourists in Tamriel anyhow.

Sallington · July 2015

DevilFangs wrote: »

I completely disagree with the original post and all of the ideas contained within it.
I play on ps4, I run 8 characters, I have already subbed for 6 months, I have bought well over 100$ in crowns on top of my sub, in BOTH servers and i have done so for one reason outside of utterly enjoying the Elder Scrolls games since I was a kid playing Daggerfall... Not to mention my fondness of ESO:TU...

That reason being, because I support the game companies I enjoy being a fan of. To the fullest.

I also plan on buying any expansion/add on content as well as continuing to sub.
Why?
Because I support the game companies I am a fan of. To the fullest.

I don't have any delusions that an idea I might have for a game is better than anyone else's, but I also don't hit up forums asking developers to cater to my every whim... Especially when they already do...

You don't want to sub, lucky you, ZOS has made it so you don't have to.

The sub formula you fine folks at ZOS have implemented is perfect the way it is. My wallet agrees.
I will continue my unyielding support in both time and sub / future crown purchases.

Those that don't, well they are probably tourists in Tamriel anyhow.

The whole "I'll support ZOS no matter what" mindset is kind of detrimental to the progression of an MMO. If they make terrible decisions, and people keep throwing money at them, nothing changes for the better.

And throwing money at them doesn't make you a bigger fan. I LOVE the Elder Scrolls universe, but if some dev/publisher is making crap decisions then they aren't getting my money. They aren't some infallible entity.

DevilFangs · July 2015

The difference between us is I don't see ZOS making terrible decisions as you put it.
being a fan of something doesn't give anyone rights to demand changes, we are the players not the developers, and while I agree it's a symbiotic relationship, it's still also up to the rule makers to set the stage and not the players. We choose to participate or we don't.

This is their game, they made it you don't have to play it.
That's what makes a fan a fan... Appreciation and dedication. TO THE FULLEST - fan is short for FANATIC just in case you don't know...

So yes, I do think I'm a bigger fan than most of the QQ in the forums here so far, in part because I am choosing to pay a sub & "throw money" to give them support for future development, and in part because unlike majority of the people crying in these forums, I'm actually you know, supportive of their endeavors.

Seems everyone has a whine and lots of cheese to go with it, but no one has any real appreciation for what's in front of them.

MikeB · July 2015

Ok, Im sick of this complaint. 10% is a good enough bonus, especially with everything else, and I dont see why anyone says otherwise. 13 million is guessed from V1 to V14, so 10% is 1.3 million and if you pair that with ring of Mara thats 2.6 M.

NotSo · July 2015

The relationship between developer and player is not anything like you described. If the content provided is not enough to satisfy the masses, the players stop playing and the developer fails to get paid. The production halts and the game dies. The game doesn't thrive from developers just chucking in willynilly. They need to make a system that's enjoyable and provide content that makes sense. Being a "fanatic" is only fueling your ego. Also, take better care of your money, whether saving it for retirement or going into your kid's college fund.