It does need to be nerfed. It was stupid and removed the choice to run any other dungeon.

Tempest island is still great for exp and so is Arx Cortinumblah in Shadow Fen.

And FG is still a viable grinding spot if you just clear the first two wave, switch to tempest and clear the beach of the Lamia (you don't need friend for that if you're a templar or range attacking) then go back to FG that is reseted.

More pvers in cyrodiil used to be frowned upon.. nowadays we'd welcome you with open arms. That's 1 less person zerg aoe spamming to crash the servers.

zeitzbachrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It does need to be nerfed. It was stupid and removed the choice to run any other dungeon.

Tempest island is still great for exp and so is Arx Cortinumblah in Shadow Fen.

And FG is still a viable grinding spot if you just clear the first two wave, switch to tempest and clear the beach of the Lamia (you don't need friend for that if you're a templar or range attacking) then go back to FG that is reseted.

I very much agree. There are plenty of other dungeons with decent XP.

There is no use defending this "grind". It was more of an exploit since you had to manipulate the boss for it to work. The amount of XP was insane, you could level a new toon to V5 in 5-8 hours.

deadlock007 wrote: »

There is no use defending this "grind". It was more of an exploit since you had to manipulate the boss for it to work. The amount of XP was insane, you could level a new toon to V5 in 5-8 hours.

Pretty much this. The mudcrabs "grind" was an exploit, pure and simple.

Just repeating dungeons has netted my most recent character the XP to outlevel each region. I have just been doing the main 3 quests of each region, collecting all the skyshards, and doing the public group dungeons just to get the skill points, while mainly just repeating dungeons to level up.

The one thing I don't like about leveling in this game: Grinding is (at least) four times faster than normal gameplay.

I don't care if they nerf or buff grind spots, I just want the normal gameplay to be at least in the same pace as grinding. THEN you can really choose what you want to do.

Before someone rages, I also don't like the time needed to get to level cap from questing, too much.

The quests in this game are beyond boring, unlike REAL TES games...

And this grind wasn't even a viable way of gaining CP.

If only Bethesda planned the storyline/quest plots of this game, and the ZOS devs gave a great amount of experience for questing/grinding to compensate the ridiculous Veteran levels that won't go away for months, I'm sure the player base of this game will be at a peak it's never seen.

I'm dumbfounded everyday and hope others will understand.

Lifsteinn wrote: »

The one thing I don't like about leveling in this game: Grinding is (at least) four times faster than normal gameplay.

I don't care if they nerf or buff grind spots, I just want the normal gameplay to be at least in the same pace as grinding. THEN you can really choose what you want to do.

Before someone rages, I also don't like the time needed to get to level cap from questing, too much.

Skipping mobs just to rush quests is now normal gameplay? Like, sure it's normal in Skiram to stealth past the whole thing right to the boss but even when you're questing, over 70% of the exp you earn from that quest pretty much comes from the kills to finish the quest, not the quest reward unless it's the "run and talk" kind of quests rewarding only 3-5k exp compared to the 15k that have you kill at least 40-50 stuffs and 1-2 bosses.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

RealRobD wrote: »

zeitzbachrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It does need to be nerfed. It was stupid and removed the choice to run any other dungeon.

Tempest island is still great for exp and so is Arx Cortinumblah in Shadow Fen.

And FG is still a viable grinding spot if you just clear the first two wave, switch to tempest and clear the beach of the Lamia (you don't need friend for that if you're a templar or range attacking) then go back to FG that is reseted.

You're wrong. Nothing in this game gives good XP. Working as intended. Buy some XP potions, ™Soon.

Why do you think Blizzard put heirlooms in the game? People that love alts also hate the grind. And this game is one major grind. Instead of doing something similar, Zo$ goes for the cash grab option, reduce XP then introduce XP potions in the CS.
This is Zo$ only thinking of themselves. Blizzard thinks about themselves, BUT also thinks about the players. Greed is disgusting!

Of course we want leveling the 5th character is more arduous than the first. That's the reason xp pots will be added.

However, the fact is that leveling a character is easier now than the first couple months the game came out. Hands down faster and easier. I find it humorous people complaining about it. My guess is they didn't level up a character to end game before th first leveling nerf.

It's also easier to level now that before 1.6, significantly easier. XP pots juts add to that. Zo$, lol

WTB Forced player content to destroy this game like veteran ranks already have. I'm working on my SIXTH character in which I intend to get to Veteran Rank 14. The only reason this game feels easier is because we have come to understand how to play. Going on today, grinding is less effective than it was before 1.6 due to the standardized ultimate generation. In 1.5, players had all the necessary tools to get to "endgame" as fast as they could. No Ultimate Generation cap, Veteran Rank mobs were nerfed in an earlier patch, and it only took around 7 hours to hit level 50 if you had the mind to do it. It would only take an hour to hit the next Veteran Rank, but now in 1.6 with the standardized ultimate regeneration, this has taken essentially 3 times longer, maybe even longer because I have not started yet, but with the feedback given from multiple threads, leveling/questing the normal way is a nightmare.

Players who have come back are quitting again because of how "grindy" veteran ranks feel. You need 1 million exp to level up per Veteran Rank. There is 0 content from Veteran Rank 10 - 14, and most players will not take a Veteran Rank 10 to dungeons, so now players are forced to grind even further in Cyrodiil. If players felt like questing the same quests on their alts, they're much better off going back to play Skyrim or Oblivion.

Instead of adding a max rank option, they're adding a 50% experience increase potion that allows people to get to 1-50 easier, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 13 LEVELS?! We are still forced to play they want us to play. There is no replay value, they should not have added classes to force players to replay the 63 levels just to enjoy the game. The most fun out of most MMORPGs is ENDGAME, not grinding or questing. The reason this game failed from the start was due to hitting level 50, then FORCING PLAYERS TO LEVEL AN EXTRA 10 RANKS (which was arguably the worst AND slowest time for NBs and Templars) and then to add ANOTHER 4 RANKS even though many of the players complained and moaned about Veteran Ranks. So instead of taking the advice of players and removing the veteran ranks early on, ZoS decided to add more ranks and continue on with the veteran rank system. Getting to level 50 once was fine and did not feel so "grindy", but once they added veteran ranks and forced players to grind from what was supposed to be endgame to just doing quests for the enemy faction, then there was no endgame.

The first thing any of the "normal" players wants to do in any MMORPG is to hit the max level so he or she can enjoy endgame content, but this was labeled as a TES game so players shouldn't feel forced to be pigeonholed into a class system or being gutted from content for not being Veteran Rank 14. Nerfing the crab grind is another middle finger to the player base and we should not tolerate it. Once players hit Veteran Rank 5 from the crab grind, the game did not feel like too much of a grind because they were almost there. Now players have to go through the game, and many of them are REPLAYING the game again for their # amount of times. Me, this will be my 6th time as I have stated earlier, and I do not know how much I could take. From playing from Early Access to Now, and from grinding two , I am gravely tired of how they are purposefully ruining the game and punishing players who have already gone through the game once. They should have removed veteran ranks a long time ago, nerfing this grind is another nail in the coffin before this game starts losing more and more players from the terrible and long grind ahead.

Grao wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, the hotfix performed today in Fungal Grotto was to fix an exploit, not a regular grind spot. There were players using this exploit to level way faster than intended, and it needed to be addressed.

Oh, come on Gina... Even you don't believe that >.>

Seriously, ZOS has been nerfing every single grind spot that gets known thinking that will force players to play more and stay longer in the game. It will have the oposite effect. I never log on my alts because it is just too freaking boring to level them up... I logged on for hours once I learned about the FG grind... Now those characters will once again be relegate to bag carriers. Great...

She just stated they acknowledge mob grinding spots. When you look at the spots now it is all competitive and can be contested. but by those standards, Spellscar shouldnt of been nerfed.

Yay, another "wrong version" day too.

This is getting tiresome...

Iyas wrote: »

So what did i miss? Was it a CP grind spot? How much XP/h?

Explains the gap in the cps of some guild members.

You and a friend had to buy a poor lvl 49 to scale fungal grotto to their level. You could get from 10~v1in like 3 hours, then from vr1 to vr5 it was 1.6mill per hour. The EXP from vr1~vr5 was some ungodly amount so it was really fast. After vr5 the EXP per crab was super low, comparably to any other grind spot in the game.