Sharakor wrote: »

I recently came back from an 8 month retirement and as far as I remember I used to hold up in battles (in Cyrodiil) quite well against people my own level, VR5. Now everytime that I want to battle I keep getting killed by a single hit from any VR10+. They hit me for 15-22k with a single shot. I used to use an all light armor set but since that happened I equipped a heavy armor, boots and legs (sacrificing my bonuses for light armor set like magicka recovery). I also slotted 3 defense skills (Light armor skill, Heavy Armor skill and Sun Shield) and I'm still getting killed by 1 hit. What happened? Am I doing something wrong? What am I missing?

Light armor offers a quarter of the base defense of heavy now, that's for both spell resist and physical. Light armor are for magic glass cannon builds now.

All three of those defensive skills were nerfed in one way or the other since you've been gone.

There have been a few point resets since you were gone. Did you forget to reassign your attribute points? Also note you get less health than before, relative to how much everything else was multiplied.

There are also no more soft caps, a cp system, new VR levels, new gear, skill rebalance, ect. So you kind of have to relearn the game.

Athas24 wrote: »

Once you get that sorted out, you will realize that your class is pretty darn good in pvp.

I think you mean "pretty darn poor in pvp".

OP: Magicka templar in 1.6.5 cant get away with 7/7 light armor. Cant get away with stacking magicka + spell power either. Need to focus on all 3 attributes to stay alive and both types of recovery, due to lack of mobility and escapes. You need to build like a semi-tank more or less, leaving you with sad dps. Not that it actually matters, since our dps skills sucks, are bugged or gives entire groups of enemies free cc immunity (same problem for stamina temps).

My advice, re-roll sorcerer or stamblade, if you want to be more than a heal-bot that occasionally steals killing blows with Jesus Beam. Might see some improvements next major update, but i wouldn't get my hopes up.

Sharakor wrote: »

I recently came back from an 8 month retirement and as far as I remember I used to hold up in battles (in Cyrodiil) quite well against people my own level, VR5. Now everytime that I want to battle I keep getting killed by a single hit from any VR10+. They hit me for 15-22k with a single shot. I used to use an all light armor set but since that happened I equipped a heavy armor, boots and legs (sacrificing my bonuses for light armor set like magicka recovery). I also slotted 3 defense skills (Light armor skill, Heavy Armor skill and Sun Shield) and I'm still getting killed by 1 hit. What happened? Am I doing something wrong? What am I missing?

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It may be time to have the Cyrodil adjustment include Champion Points. If people won't scale up to the same level as others with CP, they will continue to be one shotted.

As many have stated previously, this will only get worse as the CP gap widens. Your Console gamers aren't going to take kindly to being one shotted by all those who transferred accounts from PC to Console with over 100 CP.

This is a real issue TODAY, and hasn't even been 2 months from when CP was introduced. Not down the road 1-2 years as @ZOS hoped.

But... What they should do? Limit the CP on PVP? They said that CP wont be limited, and they said too that there would be no diference between PVP and PVE skills.
So if they nerf CP they will again strike all the PVE community for a PVP issue. Again

Kudos to you Shar for not getting too frustrated and coming here for advice -- the new systems can be a big shock to those who took a long break. I play templar almost exclusively, and have since release -- and with a little work, mine is better at pvp than ever.

Here's some tips that might help you for a magica build, and are easily attainable for a sub-v14 (this isn't the only build by any means, and may others will be able to provide you with good advice).

1. You can run with 5 light, and 2 heavy on chest and pants. Put health enchants on the heavys and magica on the rest (but this also means that you need to be prepared with protection buffs like blazing shield, absorb magica out of the sword and shield line, bone shield, and/or immovable out of the heavy armor line -- using a sword and board as one of your weapon sets helps, and also consider using a destro staff, but that's up to your playstyle).
2. Try crafting a mix of Magus' Gift, and Twighlight's Embrace to up your spell damage, and health/mag
3. Using Reinforced for your armor enchants seems to work better now than Impenetrable since upping your armor now also ups your spell resist at a 1/1 ratio. Divines can be a good alternative depending on your active mundus.
4. When you hit VR6 you can find\buy soulshine jewelry which is good for lowbies, re-enchant them for spell damage
5. Put at least 25 into your health attribute so that with food and your level scaling + pvp buffs, you'll hopefully be over 20k health, with 23k+ being a good thing. Sorcs are pretty much the only ones that can run around with 15-17k in PvP because they're the only class that has a damage shield that scales off their magica (for the rest of us our shields scale off health), so it's a good thing for them to run around with 35-40k magica.
6. Entropy is your friend for getting your spell damage up.
7. Sink your first 30 Mage CP points into the Apprentice constellation so you get the +12% spell crit passive and lower magica costs.
8. Level your radiant destruction! Temps finally have a powerful execute, and it's very useful for inciting whining from other classes.
9. Find those lore books! Meteor, and it's morph Ice Comet are much better for you than the other temp dps ults, and can give you a chance fry even V14s if you catch them by surprise (i.e., launch meteor, then entropy, and radiant destruction just as the meteor hits...can be lots of fun).

And a build like this also translates relatively well into PvE as well, so you don't necessarily need to run completely different equip for PVP. Of course though, once you hit V14 and have the full compliment of attainable dropped sets at your disposal, you'll have more options.

You should not be getting 1-shotted with 18k HP. Period.

Reading threads like this reminds me why I tend to hate PvP on video games. Because it always ends up turning into a ridiculous and stupid cat and mouse game of incredibly over-powered offensive bursts.

I was considering giving Cyrodil another shot soon. After reading this - think I'll pass.

Athas24 wrote: »

A lot has changed with your class in 8 months. It sounds like you just need to spend time relearning the class and gear sets that will work for you now. Once you get that sorted out, you will realize that your class is pretty darn good in pvp.

Every poll I've seen recently suggests the majority of people consider Templars the absolute worst class in PvP. And it's not even close.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Athas24 wrote: »

A lot has changed with your class in 8 months. It sounds like you just need to spend time relearning the class and gear sets that will work for you now. Once you get that sorted out, you will realize that your class is pretty darn good in pvp.

Every poll I've seen recently suggests the majority of people consider Templars the absolute worst class in PvP. And it's not even close.

Templars are good in raids, big groups helps to hide their weaknesses but in solo it's worst of all 4 classes. Templars have too many bugged, badly designed and weak skills. FFS we have a channeled skill which buff's enemy with CC immunity!!!
Templar signature skill Blazing shield is nerfed to the ground, good only if tank.

You can do good in PvE with templar but PvP is a different story!

Re-roll, join the Non Vet campaign and have some proper PVP with skill not gear .)

The only class that can run around with 18k in Cyrodiil are sorcs that use hardened ward combined with a healthy dose of bastion.

My sorc has 11.5k ward even after the damage shield nerf.

My nb otoh will not dare to enter Cyrodiil with less than 26k health.

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

I recently came back from an 8 month retirement and as far as I remember I used to hold up in battles (in Cyrodiil) quite well against people my own level, VR5. Now everytime that I want to battle I keep getting killed by a single hit from any VR10+. They hit me for 15-22k with a single shot. I used to use an all light armor set but since that happened I equipped a heavy armor, boots and legs (sacrificing my bonuses for light armor set like magicka recovery). I also slotted 3 defense skills (Light armor skill, Heavy Armor skill and Sun Shield) and I'm still getting killed by 1 hit. What happened? Am I doing something wrong? What am I missing?

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom It may be time to have the Cyrodil adjustment include Champion Points. If people won't scale up to the same level as others with CP, they will continue to be one shotted.

As many have stated previously, this will only get worse as the CP gap widens. Your Console gamers aren't going to take kindly to being one shotted by all those who transferred accounts from PC to Console with over 100 CP.

This is a real issue TODAY, and hasn't even been 2 months from when CP was introduced. Not down the road 1-2 years as @ZOS hoped.

Part of the issue is that Battleleveling does not function for Vet levels at all, currently.

A L50 goes into a Vet campaign and is leveled to the equivalent (base-line, save the gear/skillpoints/CP's arguments) of a VR12. The moment that same L50 puts a V in front, it essentially loses 13 levels.

Regarding CP's/Battle Leveling in general, there are two parts to this. They need additional campaigns with/without these options, so it can be as hard core as you please, but I would suggest making it dynamic:

• There can be a max of what, 500 people per alliance in a campaign at a given time? This number may have even been lowered - I don't recall.
• With BattleLeveling Enabled (working for anyone below VR12) or as a separate aspect to it, the server could check on entry and do an average of the players actually in the campaign at that point and adjust stats from there?
• This would cover CP's, Gear, etc and would be optional either way.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

I recently came back from an 8 month retirement and as far as I remember I used to hold up in battles (in Cyrodiil) quite well against people my own level, VR5. Now everytime that I want to battle I keep getting killed by a single hit from any VR10+...

I'm on the same boat, when I came back I tried Cyrodiil with my v4 (I was doing fine when I left last year), several times I got 2 shot by v14s. I tried different builds with same result and finally I decided to leave pvp until v14.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Your Templar is not to weak. Your geared and built completely wrong. 18k health in cyrodiil is asking to be one shot.

What would be the right number for "please don't 1 shoot me"?

The right number? Much more than 18k. My glass cannon for PVE has much more HP that you have when entering Cyrodiil. How much HP you need really depends on play style and strength of skills to avoid damage.

I could tell you well into the 20k range but you need to look at much more than HP. As I previously mentioned, and others the same, if your playing like you did before and in the same gear as before your doing it all wrong. With that I mean everything. We have all changed gear and adjusted skills we use.

Giles has the right idea.

You should probably running with 18k before you enter Cyrodiil (with food and enchants, of course). This will put you at 20k-22k minumum after Battle Spirit. When you find your rotation and timing, you can might be able to get away with less, as you'll be able to mitigate other ways.

While relearning and regearing, you might consider more health than that, to start, as it will give you more grey area.

LA got nerfed into the ground, while MA and HA got Spell Resist that makes zero sense. You'll probably want at least a piece or two of Heavy to help with AC and Spell Resist, preferably a major piece (Head, Chest, Legs, or Shield) for max benefit.

Short version, look at your Death Recap and make sure your HP's are higher than the average kill you experience. At the same time, look at the circumstance behind the one shot. If it's a NB from stealth, it's quite different from a 1v1 aware and in the open.