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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »Kael'Thremar wrote: »I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
First off, gear DOES matter, and even then all PVP is there is like watching a Starcraft 2 match where everyone is using Zerglings.
Gear does NOT matter in Gw2 PVP. SPVP is all scaled.. and to talk about zerging is to talk about this game. That is all the pvp is made up of sadly.
um, have you PLAYED WPVP, ever? because that is EXACTLY what it is, even the players will tell you that.
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Very true .. it'll die because new players experience nothing but constant two-shotting and realise this is how it's going to be for months .. and figure life's too short and this game really isn't that great for them to want to endure that time simply to be able to even survive.Kael'Thremar wrote: »Which is why this game is going to fail. It is not new player friendly at all. At this point there is no going back from making the Veteran players have the upperhand because they would complain. I was expecting to get to play how I wanted ( which was through pvp) but that wasn't an option considering older players are so much more powerful.
If the game does fail it won't be because of people like you that cry about getting killed in PVP!
This aspect of PVP is why allowing level-capped characters to be transferred to the console servers is simply crass, the servers start off with a massive 'have' and 'have not' problem, all new players are going to experience the intense frustration, how many endure it will in large part determine if those servers survive from a PVP perspective.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on April 23, 2015 2:36PM1 -
Kael'Thremar wrote: »Kael'Thremar wrote: »I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
First off, gear DOES matter, and even then all PVP is there is like watching a Starcraft 2 match where everyone is using Zerglings.
Gear does NOT matter in Gw2 PVP. SPVP is all scaled.. and to talk about zerging is to talk about this game. That is all the pvp is made up of sadly.
um, have you PLAYED WPVP, ever? because that is EXACTLY what it is, even the players will tell you that.
That's not ALL the PVP there is like it is on this game. SPVP is not like that. gf
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✭I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Realization here: Ultima Online was a horribly made game that only survived cause it was the first MMO. if you tried to pass that off NOW a days it would fail faster then you can say "Wildstar and ESO"
also, one of the MAJOR things the devs were ALWAYS talking about is that ANYONE can PVP, that you are NOT forced to be higher level to succeed.
THIRDLY: in pretty much ALL MMO's someone who is max level with at least decent gear for it CAN PVP successfully, does not matter HOW long they have played, but as long as they are skilled and have the correct level then yeah.
As it is right now, VR levels should simply hav ebeen 51-64, as there is NO DIFFERENCE between the two. if they called it what it actually is, there would be a lot less hate at them. The reason they were called VETERAN ranks to begin with was to make it obvious they were not supposed to make the gap bigger and wider, it was supposed to be "vertical" progression.
We disagree on this and am so glad I never cried over PVP and learned how to deal with them in every game I have played. I have noticed the people that cry would be marked and killed over and over again. I also noticed when you laughed and told the guy good one you got me good would end up being left alone. To this day I love the cry baby's who keep getting killed over and over again, until they either learned to stop crying or quit the game.
So to all you cry babies BYE BYE!
Love just how much assumptions you make that are clearly false, are you 12?
I am not much of a PVPer at all, the problem here is the deception, once again, that ZOS has been pulling here. Like i said in the post, they have said several times you can PVP at any level with no problem, then they have the veteran ranks and champion system that are the EXACT opposite. veteran ranks are simply more levels you have to grind despite being told you are done leveling, and Champion system will become more and more of a gap where it will make PVP deader then dead.
Now, would love to see what would happen if YOU were told you can PVE at any level i nany dungeon, but then when you tried it you realized the only people who EVER stood a chance at it were those with A LOT of Champion points, and everyone else could not PVE.
If you must know am 60 and been in this for a heck of a long time. I won't attack you over age but I will attack you over how you have no clue on how to play these game. MMO's are not made just so you can level and have no risked associated with it. Hate to say it but people like you and the OP should go play minecraft or Skyrim because clearly you guys just aren't cut out for PVP and MMO's. Only thing I hate about these games is you can't kill and steal their loot. NOW that is real PVP!Edited by BigM on April 23, 2015 2:35PM“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Very true .. it'll die because new players experience nothing but constant two-shotting and realise this is how it's going to be for months .. and figure life's too short and this game really isn't that great for them to want to endure that time simply to be able to even survive.Kael'Thremar wrote: »Which is why this game is going to fail. It is not new player friendly at all. At this point there is no going back from making the Veteran players have the upperhand because they would complain. I was expecting to get to play how I wanted ( which was through pvp) but that wasn't an option considering older players are so much more powerful.
If the game does fail it won't be because of people like you that cry about getting killed in PVP!
THIS, exactly THIS. I thought to myself, there is no way I am going to put that much dedicating into this game, making it a JOB, just to be viable. It should not have to be like that. Which is why the game will die.2 -
I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Realization here: Ultima Online was a horribly made game that only survived cause it was the first MMO. if you tried to pass that off NOW a days it would fail faster then you can say "Wildstar and ESO"
also, one of the MAJOR things the devs were ALWAYS talking about is that ANYONE can PVP, that you are NOT forced to be higher level to succeed.
THIRDLY: in pretty much ALL MMO's someone who is max level with at least decent gear for it CAN PVP successfully, does not matter HOW long they have played, but as long as they are skilled and have the correct level then yeah.
As it is right now, VR levels should simply hav ebeen 51-64, as there is NO DIFFERENCE between the two. if they called it what it actually is, there would be a lot less hate at them. The reason they were called VETERAN ranks to begin with was to make it obvious they were not supposed to make the gap bigger and wider, it was supposed to be "vertical" progression.
We disagree on this and am so glad I never cried over PVP and learned how to deal with them in every game I have played. I have noticed the people that cry would be marked and killed over and over again. I also noticed when you laughed and told the guy good one you got me good would end up being left alone. To this day I love the cry baby's who keep getting killed over and over again, until they either learned to stop crying or quit the game.
So to all you cry babies BYE BYE!
Love just how much assumptions you make that are clearly false, are you 12?
I am not much of a PVPer at all, the problem here is the deception, once again, that ZOS has been pulling here. Like i said in the post, they have said several times you can PVP at any level with no problem, then they have the veteran ranks and champion system that are the EXACT opposite. veteran ranks are simply more levels you have to grind despite being told you are done leveling, and Champion system will become more and more of a gap where it will make PVP deader then dead.
Now, would love to see what would happen if YOU were told you can PVE at any level i nany dungeon, but then when you tried it you realized the only people who EVER stood a chance at it were those with A LOT of Champion points, and everyone else could not PVE.
If you must know am 60 and been in this for a heck of a long time. I won't attack you over age but I will attack you over how you have no clue on how to play these game. MMO's are not made just so you can level and have no risked associated with it. Hate to say it but people like you and the OP should go play minecraft or Skyrim because clearly you guys just aren't cut out for PVP and MMO's. Only thing I hate about these games is you can't kill and steal their loot. NOW that is real PVP!
Alright so clearly you didn't read where I have been playing MMO's for a while now so I can honestly say that I DO in fact have a clue on how to play these games. These arent the times of WOW where you have to make the game a JOB to be viable, anymore. Sadly ZOS had to find that out when they made the failed attempt to do this while making it P2P. We see how that turned out. I have successfully PVPed in multiple games and I would be able to do so in this one as well if it wasn't such a time consuming grindfest to be viable.1 -
qsnoopyjr✭✭✭✭I agree with you about the questing. The lore in this game from the quests is just terrible. It's like from red rooks to bloodthorn to this kind to that kind. In Morrowind, everything was tied to the red mountains and dagoth ur, this game its like complete nutcase.
Feels like I'm playing EQ2, but ya know what, I enjoy EQ2 questing much more than this one, EQ2 actually uses a whole zone and focuses it on one theme rather than this game, ex. Glenumbra, and you got all this random stuff happening and nothing is really tied together. Like Bloodthorns, Red Rooks, Werewolves, etc, THEY ARE NOT TIED together. In EQ2 you got pretty much same stuff tied together with an EPIC ending to the quests than you proceed to the next zone.
Now for PvP I can understand, this is a traditional MMORPG style of PvP where people who spend more time in the game will be a rewarded and have advantage over those that haven't.
The only MMORPG I know of that has equal playing field for everyone is Guild Wars 2. You can literally copy a meta build, and in 2 weeks outplay year long newbs. Yes, such thing exists, I played Quake before, I quit for 5 years and come back I see same people, they same skill level and I haven't played in 5 years and still destroy them. I pretty much do the same in GW2, some people just don't get better.
But you should go try GW2, I feel that game has better lore than this game. I mean, the Elder Scrolls series has more lore, but this game... IDK what, but it doesn't feel like a real Elder Scrolls. If it followed Morrowind instead of Oblivion and Skyrim maybe I'd like it more.. MAYBE if it was alliance war between the House of Hlaalu, House of Redoran, and House of Telvanni I'd like it MUCH MUCH more than this stupid EP, AD, DC war, which I still haven't got to the point to figure out why they are all at war. That goes to show how bad I think the lore is in this game too. Red Rooks, Bloodthorn.... WTF does that have to do with an Elder Scrolls game? Should've made it Thieves guild and Morag Tong or somebody that's actually from the Elder Scrolls be causing havoc rather than bunch of nobodies.
GW2 at leasts follows the main characters, if they goto a comic con just seeing there characters you'd say "Guild Wars 2!" "Rytlock!" "Logan!", GW2 actually has a good lore, comparing the GW2 lore to GW1, GW2 has made significant progress, its actually good.
This game, doesn't even have any heroes you follow.... What is someone going to show up to the comic con as "The Prophet" woooo, maybe someone will think hes from Lord of the Rings instead of TESO. Fully agree with you that this game lore is terrible, but not the Elder Scrolls lore. Seeing how GW1 lore wasn't really worth anything and GW2 going MMORPG made there lore actually really good, disappoints me how Morrowind lore was extremely good, Oblivion and Skyrim decent, than TESO comes out and I'm disappointed by this game's lore.
Like a comparison to other games lore to this game.
Other games, like hype up the god or whoever is the bad guy, than when you finally get to him it feels like an epic fight. In GW2 they hype of the "ice dragon" and you keep playing through the game hearing about the big bad "ice dragon" than you finally fight him and first time you fight him its pretty epic. All the lore is tied together.
Now you get TESO, Glenumbra, I'd say the big bad boss is the spider queen in spindleclutch, NO HYPE for that boss whatsoever, all you get is, "oooh spindleclutch is tough zone from a undaunted quest giver" the rest of the NPCs don't even mention the big bad spider queen inside. Pretty much unhyped bad lore, doesn't feel too epic. I mean the boss is literally different looking, and talks to you as you progress in that dungeon but that's it. None of the other NPCs lore talk is even mentioning that person. Its all area based, "oooh these darn red rooks taking over again!"... Kill all the red rooks, never even hear about them again. I should've just bypassed all that conversation because it was a waste really. All that voice acting, not really impressed either. Could've spent that money elsewhere.Edited by qsnoopyjr on April 23, 2015 2:53PM2 -
PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Realization here: Ultima Online was a horribly made game that only survived cause it was the first MMO. if you tried to pass that off NOW a days it would fail faster then you can say "Wildstar and ESO"
also, one of the MAJOR things the devs were ALWAYS talking about is that ANYONE can PVP, that you are NOT forced to be higher level to succeed.
THIRDLY: in pretty much ALL MMO's someone who is max level with at least decent gear for it CAN PVP successfully, does not matter HOW long they have played, but as long as they are skilled and have the correct level then yeah.
As it is right now, VR levels should simply hav ebeen 51-64, as there is NO DIFFERENCE between the two. if they called it what it actually is, there would be a lot less hate at them. The reason they were called VETERAN ranks to begin with was to make it obvious they were not supposed to make the gap bigger and wider, it was supposed to be "vertical" progression.
We disagree on this and am so glad I never cried over PVP and learned how to deal with them in every game I have played. I have noticed the people that cry would be marked and killed over and over again. I also noticed when you laughed and told the guy good one you got me good would end up being left alone. To this day I love the cry baby's who keep getting killed over and over again, until they either learned to stop crying or quit the game.
So to all you cry babies BYE BYE!
Love just how much assumptions you make that are clearly false, are you 12?
I am not much of a PVPer at all, the problem here is the deception, once again, that ZOS has been pulling here. Like i said in the post, they have said several times you can PVP at any level with no problem, then they have the veteran ranks and champion system that are the EXACT opposite. veteran ranks are simply more levels you have to grind despite being told you are done leveling, and Champion system will become more and more of a gap where it will make PVP deader then dead.
Now, would love to see what would happen if YOU were told you can PVE at any level i nany dungeon, but then when you tried it you realized the only people who EVER stood a chance at it were those with A LOT of Champion points, and everyone else could not PVE.
If you must know am 60 and been in this for a heck of a long time. I won't attack you over age but I will attack you over how you have no clue on how to play these game. MMO's are not made just so you can level and have no risked associated with it. Hate to say it but people like you and the OP should go play minecraft or Skyrim because clearly you guys just aren't cut out for PVP and MMO's. Only thing I hate about these games is you can't kill and steal their loot. NOW that is real PVP!
hm,
*goes play WOW, fets to max level, gets decent PVP gear* huh, i can play in PVP just fine
*same with ff11*
*same with ff14*
actually, the ONLY decently successful game i can think of where tenure = always going to be better, is EVE online, a completely different style of game then what ESO is and VERY few people play because it is is toxic and anti-new palyer.
please name ONE MMO, where as long as you have decent PVP gear, are decent at the game and are at max level that you cannot PVP in.
I mean, you might have your opinion of you have NEVER actually played an MMO before or are misunderstanding or something.
I am NOT advocating for everyone to be at equal footing, i am advocating that tose at max level (the max level that ZOS keeps saying is the real level, not the "veteran ranks" that they have said several times will not be normal levels but are anyway) and with decent gear for PVP, and decent skill be equal to others in PVP.Edited by PKMN12 on April 23, 2015 2:48PM0 -
AriBoh✭✭✭✭✭Sod off and play a game you like then. Stop cluttering up our forums with your BS.khele23eb17
Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.
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Nerio✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »Kael'Thremar wrote: »
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
If you think that well you must give lots of loot bags to your enemies... Gear matters there too.
You're talking about WvW..
That's essentially the PvP type that ESO uses, so their systems run in a very similar way.
It sounds like you're looking for more of a short burst, equal footing PvP system like SPvP in GW2, or like basically any FPS or MOBA game. Longer term PvP systems like WvW and Alliance War usually make player power gaps smaller, but not completely gone. Unfortunately ESO doesn't have a short burst, equal footing PvP system yet.1 -
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✭I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
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Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »Which is why this game is going to fail. It is not new player friendly at all. At this point there is no going back from making the Veteran players have the upperhand because they would complain. I was expecting to get to play how I wanted ( which was through pvp) but that wasn't an option considering older players are so much more powerful.
If the game does fail it won't be because of people like you that cry about getting killed in PVP!
No itll be due to zos and their nonsense and lack of performance in general.Edited by Naivefanboi on April 23, 2015 3:00PM2 -
Tors✭✭✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »I was lucky enough to find a nice grind spot within a week of playing when I was about level 19 that let me get to V1 the same day. Yeah thats about 10 levels an hour. Unfortunately and not at all unexpected ZOS has already nerfed it to nothing ( and I mean literally nothing, 0 exp now). That Is how I got to V1 quickly.
You on get exp +-5 levels of a mob. so if you are within 5 levels you get points. Sounds like you used an exploit of some kind to level fast. no wonder you are not enjoying the "insta-VR" character.
One of the issues with getting everthting now with no waiting.Better late Than Pregnant....
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »I've been playing this game a little over 2 weeks straight and after ENDLESS questing am finally VR2. I am seriously DONE with questing. I love Elder Scrolls lore, don't get me wrong but there is no lore in these ridiculous quest. They are just as repetitive as any other game out there that makes you "go get 10 bore ribs" except they instead they try to spice it up by making you "go close these portals" that are half a map apart.
Having quit leveling I decided to PVP (which is one of the aspects that had drawn me to the game in the first place) only to realize that new players will NEVER have a chance. Even if I were to endure the awful level grind that is Veteran Ranks, I would still not compare to the other VR14s who have already accumulated multiple champion points and maxed out there (ridiculously time sensitive) mount levels.
In short PVP was not an option because everywhere you go as a newer player you are 2 hit by the 2 hander nightblades.
This game has a long way to go to be worth anything but unfortunately it will die WAY before it gets there. With all the money they used trying to get it out to console gamer's could have been used on making it better for those who already play or are newly joining considering its not even going to be a big hit for consoles anyway.
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Seriously guys, don't feed the troll anymore. The OP is typically the "i'm not happy because other guys seems to have bigger balls here, i want to be the strongest right here, right now".
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Victus✭✭✭I think the fact that you've only played for 2 weeks OP is the main reason the performance isn't there. It takes time to learn all the skills/morphs available to everyone and their counters. I'm not even there yet.Throm the First - Redguard Dragon Knight - Daggerfall Covenant
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RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »Sod off and play a game you like then. Stop cluttering up our forums with your BS.
This. GW2 sounds like your brand of garbage. Go back there please.1 -
Raash✭✭✭✭Seems provocative to not like the game even one year after release.
Seems a bit childish to jump people who gives a review if you ask me, wich you probably doesnt, so I dont say it.0 -
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After reading this hyperbole, which isn't true in any way, shape, or form, I can only come to one conclusion: OP didn't even remotely want to play the game. Now, it's certainly not my call to judge over what people do with their time and money, but rushing through this game, which ist so rich in storytelling and beautiful vistas, seems like an awful waste to me. Oh well...Kael'Thremar wrote: »I've been playing this game a little over 2 weeks straight and after ENDLESS questing am finally VR2. I am seriously DONE with questing. I love Elder Scrolls lore, don't get me wrong but there is no lore in these ridiculous quest. They are just as repetitive as any other game out there that makes you "go get 10 bore ribs" except they instead they try to spice it up by making you "go close these portals" that are half a map apart.
Dunno, I wouldn't call this a "review" by any stretch of the word. It's totally ok for him not to like it, but coming here and trash-talking it with outright lies? It's constructive criticism that changes things, not the other kind.Seems provocative to not like the game even one year after release.
Seems a bit childish to jump people who gives a review if you ask me, wich you probably doesnt, so I dont say it.
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Sinbaar✭✭✭✭As said many times here: you can't expect (in every MMO) to be new and have the same power as players, who play it for years. You say its unfair to new players? I say it is unfair to those, who've played it a year. We worked hard, to be at this point in game. As should you. You wanna quit after 2 weeks (which is ridicolous) then quit.
As for PvP: there will always be players, who are cleary better than you. Especially players, who known their Chars since 1 year. After 2 weeks - you don't know very much. Heck there are even Skills ingame which aren't useful in PVE but VERY useful in PvP. You die instantly? Stand up, go on. Join a Guild who does organized PvP Runs. Helps a LOT. And stop whining -.-Mitgründer der Allianz Bosriel!
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Twizelbang✭✭I've really enjoyed playing this game, i then decided to buy Tamriel Unlimited / also added Sub. No regrets so far.
The pro's
I have only completed about 50 quests. Overall i have enjoyed the story-lines & how the quests link with each other.
The combat system is rather refreshing, i love the new animations (so much more depth then Beta) . Feels like my 2handed weapon crushes its enemy as it hits. The swing animations are rather amazing also.
The crafting side of things took me a little time to figure out what i was doing, but soon i got the hang of things & rather enjoy this aspect of the game.
"Cough" The dark part of my soul beckons me to the dark side in the act of ....Stealing items from vendors. This is so fun, even better when someone gets caught & then gets killed.
The ability to unlock different colours to choose from for your armour is simply a great idea. I've gone for the Pink & blue theme.
My new Leopard mount (first mount) +100, the animations distract me at times.. haha , it looks so real.
My FPS is loads better then when i was playing Beta.
Con's
The map seems a little clunky to use at times, when trying to find the markers for quests. Hard to see the quest arrows & the in-ability to scroll across to the next map. Also noticed when i click on the map i sometimes change direction in-game so i'm facing the wrong way.
On many occasions i lose connection & get booted to the launch login screen. Kinda frustrating at times
Latency jumps about like a yo-yo on speed, thankfully not all the time, just in spikes.
Final opinion on this game so far:
Well worth playing "Good job Zenimax" , it does feel like a Elder Scrolls game."The ultimate purpose of Daedric Lords is to instruct and improve the generally deplorable character of mortals".2 -
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✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »I was lucky enough to find a nice grind spot within a week of playing when I was about level 19 that let me get to V1 the same day. Yeah thats about 10 levels an hour. Unfortunately and not at all unexpected ZOS has already nerfed it to nothing ( and I mean literally nothing, 0 exp now). That Is how I got to V1 quickly. The other Week or more has been questing till V2 and after finally reaching that it is clear this game has no direction.
Ahhh, the truth comes out. You didn't play the game, you grinded. So, there is no wonder why you are disappointed. If you actually played the game, it would be different. But you were too interested in endgame to enjoy the game. You have been given some really good advice for the game. I am almost certain that you will ignore the advice. That's fine, you choice. It's your loss. Toodles!4 -
Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Very true .. it'll die because new players experience nothing but constant two-shotting and realise this is how it's going to be for months .. and figure life's too short and this game really isn't that great for them to want to endure that time simply to be able to even survive.Kael'Thremar wrote: »Which is why this game is going to fail. It is not new player friendly at all. At this point there is no going back from making the Veteran players have the upperhand because they would complain. I was expecting to get to play how I wanted ( which was through pvp) but that wasn't an option considering older players are so much more powerful.
If the game does fail it won't be because of people like you that cry about getting killed in PVP!
THIS, exactly THIS. I thought to myself, there is no way I am going to put that much dedicating into this game, making it a JOB, just to be viable. It should not have to be like that. Which is why the game will die.
You all, including the OP, are right, but DON'T GIVE UP HOPE!!!
Hold out just a little longer until they can slip in gear and level up potions in the crown store! Threads like this will give them the green light to say "the community wanted it".Badge: Wall-of-Text GRANDMASTER
PvP: Patch Vs. Player
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Dreyloch✭✭✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »I've been playing this game a little over 2 weeks straight and after ENDLESS questing am finally VR2. I am seriously DONE with questing. I love Elder Scrolls lore, don't get me wrong but there is no lore in these ridiculous quest. They are just as repetitive as any other game out there that makes you "go get 10 bore ribs" except they instead they try to spice it up by making you "go close these portals" that are half a map apart.
Having quit leveling I decided to PVP (which is one of the aspects that had drawn me to the game in the first place) only to realize that new players will NEVER have a chance. Even if I were to endure the awful level grind that is Veteran Ranks, I would still not compare to the other VR14s who have already accumulated multiple champion points and maxed out there (ridiculously time sensitive) mount levels.
In short PVP was not an option because everywhere you go as a newer player you are 2 hit by the 2 hander nightblades.
This game has a long way to go to be worth anything but unfortunately it will die WAY before it gets there. With all the money they used trying to get it out to console gamer's could have been used on making it better for those who already play or are newly joining considering its not even going to be a big hit for consoles anyway.
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Look OP,
There are a ton of systems involved with PvP in this game. Some suttle, some just take time. Your not done leveling or even questing. Unless you've finished Cadwell's silver and gold quest lines. (maybe you have idk). There are other factors like feeding your mount for speed daily till it's at least 50%. Yes, I agree it takes a long time. But nothing we can do about it right now. Look at the skills you have. Are they all saying Level IV? Have they all been morphed and maxxed out? What kind of armor are you using? Is it just dropped stuff off the mobs you been killing? Maybe it's stuff you bought off some PvE player made vendor? Is it player crafted gear with extra stats and such for wearing multiple pieces? What color is it in the tooltip? Green? Blue? Purple?
Most of what I've just mention isn't possible to have or know in just 2 weeks of grinding quests in PvE. The game has it's flaws, don't get me wrong. LOL there are PLENTY of them. But you have to realize you ARE coming in a bit later than the rest of us. You have to put in your time/due before becoming the conquerer of worlds.It's the same with any MMO. My main toon still doesn't have every skill maxxed out yet, even after a year of playing him pretty much daily. Even with 120+ champion points, it's not a grand canyon sized gap between a new and old player. We're talking increments of like .02%, after an initial 1%!! So it's not as crazy as you think."The fear of Death, is often worse than death itself"2 -
PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭As said many times here: you can't expect (in every MMO) to be new and have the same power as players, who play it for years. You say its unfair to new players? I say it is unfair to those, who've played it a year. We worked hard, to be at this point in game. As should you. You wanna quit after 2 weeks (which is ridicolous) then quit.
As for PvP: there will always be players, who are cleary better than you. Especially players, who known their Chars since 1 year. After 2 weeks - you don't know very much. Heck there are even Skills ingame which aren't useful in PVE but VERY useful in PvP. You die instantly? Stand up, go on. Join a Guild who does organized PvP Runs. Helps a LOT. And stop whining -.-
pretty much every MMO in existence says hi, where no matter how long you have been playing, as long as you have good PVP gear, are at max level, and are good at the game, you can do just fine in PVP, even against those who have been playing for years.
please name one decently successful MMO where this is NOT the case.
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VincentBlanquin✭✭✭to op - i feel your pain bro, embrace yourself. i know exactly. started play again before month and few days ago as vr1 char and two days ago i was vr14. All my playtime spend on thornblade european, pretty nice rollercoaster. As game is here for a year and powercreep looks like too much already. Month before I was literally almost only one non vr14 char on thornblade. Almost everybody oneshotted me or roflstomping somehow. Go my way, Play sneak quest game and join zergs to participate on war. You should be vr14 in a moth and has enough gold to buy great gear. And one moth is reasonable time dont you think?
but one think i disagree with veterans. game needs balancing quickly. When you get shield and raised it (and have stamina) it should give you few second to live before DPS veteran roflstomping you, but i in reality you have like nothing in hand and they burn you in 3 seconds. if its bug, fix it immediatelly, if not balanced it. Shield (wooden thing in left hand)))) is crazy underpoweredEdited by VincentBlanquin on April 23, 2015 3:50PMIrwen Vincinter - Nord - Dragonknight
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✭All I have left to say to the one's really complaining about the game is YOU people are the one's that made WoW what it is today. I loved the vanilla WoW that first came out, now it is made easy for people like you and guess what majority of us do not want EASY! We want a game where you have to use your head! I miss the days where some high level would kick my butt in PVP so I would call out to my fellow guildies and we would go even the score. Today there are way to many cry babies who want easy and solo the whole game. These are the people that are ruining the MMO's today and I wish we could just open the door and throw them out.
I find the one thing that will get people to leave (the real MMO people not the criers) is how people have been treated by ZoS from beta to now. Also making the game way to easy to where it is more a solo game than a real PVP game.
Oh well that is all I have left to say on this subject and all I can do is pray ZoS does not listen to them and make PvP better and along with the lag issues getting fixed!“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Ganacampo✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »I've been playing this game a little over 2 weeks straight and after ENDLESS questing am finally VR2. I am seriously DONE with questing. I love Elder Scrolls lore, don't get me wrong but there is no lore in these ridiculous quest. [/b][/i]
They are full of lore. Insteresting lore, new lore, known lore.
If you would really love TES lore, you'd love ESO too.2