Disappointed after two weeks of playing
I've been playing this game a little over 2 weeks straight and after ENDLESS questing am finally VR2. I am seriously DONE with questing. I love Elder Scrolls lore, don't get me wrong but there is no lore in these ridiculous quest. They are just as repetitive as any other game out there that makes you "go get 10 bore ribs" except they instead they try to spice it up by making you "go close these portals" that are half a map apart.
Having quit leveling I decided to PVP (which is one of the aspects that had drawn me to the game in the first place) only to realize that new players will NEVER have a chance. Even if I were to endure the awful level grind that is Veteran Ranks, I would still not compare to the other VR14s who have already accumulated multiple champion points and maxed out there (ridiculously time sensitive) mount levels.
In short PVP was not an option because everywhere you go as a newer player you are 2 hit by the 2 hander nightblades.
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Edited by ZOS_ArtG on April 23, 2015 3:25PM Having quit leveling I decided to PVP (which is one of the aspects that had drawn me to the game in the first place) only to realize that new players will NEVER have a chance. Even if I were to endure the awful level grind that is Veteran Ranks, I would still not compare to the other VR14s who have already accumulated multiple champion points and maxed out there (ridiculously time sensitive) mount levels.
In short PVP was not an option because everywhere you go as a newer player you are 2 hit by the 2 hander nightblades.
[Moderator note: The thread title and the last paragraph has been changed/removed based on our community rules on Bashing.]
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Saltypretzels✭✭✭✭Well, I disagree. I've been playing about a year and I still enjoy it, from the questing to getting plastered in PvP. Which still happens to me regularly.
Solo pvp'ing is very hard. I've learned to stick in a group in order to kill other players, and if I go solo then I am on the walls using a ballista or healing.17 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So after two weeks you expect to be competitive in PvP against people who have been here for a year.
While I understand your frustration, consider how frustrated someone who's been playing for a year would be if someone who has been playing for two weeks is their equal in PvP. Where's the progression in that?19 -
Rivan12✭✭✭I still would pay Crowns for a LOL button."Pssst, I know who you are... Hail Sithis"21 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Which is why this game is going to fail. It is not new player friendly at all. At this point there is no going back from making the Veteran players have the upperhand because they would complain. I was expecting to get to play how I wanted ( which was through pvp) but that wasn't an option considering older players are so much more powerful.2
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BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »Which is why this game is going to fail. It is not new player friendly at all. At this point there is no going back from making the Veteran players have the upperhand because they would complain. I was expecting to get to play how I wanted ( which was through pvp) but that wasn't an option considering older players are so much more powerful.
If the game does fail it won't be because of people like you that cry about getting killed in PVP!“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't sound like the OP's sort of game. PvPers who don't like questing might be better off with a different genre, I'd have thought, say FPS titles rather than MMORPGs.
Besides which, someone who has got to VR2 in barely a couple of weeks hasn't really given themselves much of a chance to enjoy it. Why the rush other than because it's not really the right sort of game and the enjoyment wasn't there? There's nothing special about the endgame in MMORPGs, I never have understood why people are in such a hurry to get there.6 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭On my orc DK alt, i have killed my first VR14 in 1v1 combat when i was level 28.
I know it is easy to think you lost because if you are not VR14, you have no chance. I assure you, this is not true.
What makes you not have a chance is lack of experience (you are facing people who know the game inside out), and (possibly) having the wrong setup for countering your opponent's abilities.Edited by Sharee on April 23, 2015 2:06PM5 -
Tors✭✭✭✭✭This game is not for you.
Again I blame the raft of games like WoW that came out and basically destroyed the MMORPG genre.
Way back when, people still wanted the time/effort type equation, in fact its prooven that these games are still active 20+ years later, which should give the developers and bean counters a very simple equation.
Games with instant gratification die fast
Games which take some time tend to last longer.
In response to your PvP point, this is not a solo PvP game. Yeah there are some very sucessfull soloers, but in the main, you need to be social and go with team mates, and look out for those team mates.
If this is somehting you cant do, then move along and find a game that more suits your playstyle.
This one suits mine, and Im happily playing daily after a year, with loads yet to do before my character becomes stale and old.
Better late Than Pregnant....
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Saltypretzels✭✭✭✭If you keep playing you will be able to get tough enough and skilled enough to compete. You can't expect that 2 weeks will put you there. Several months will. Yes you will always be behind in CP but your gear can be similar, your skill lines will be maxxed, and you will know the game better.
Expecting all of this after 2 weeks is just ridiculous.4 -
I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Realization here: Ultima Online was a horribly made game that only survived cause it was the first MMO. if you tried to pass that off NOW a days it would fail faster then you can say "Wildstar and ESO"
also, one of the MAJOR things the devs were ALWAYS talking about is that ANYONE can PVP, that you are NOT forced to be higher level to succeed.
THIRDLY: in pretty much ALL MMO's someone who is max level with at least decent gear for it CAN PVP successfully, does not matter HOW long they have played, but as long as they are skilled and have the correct level then yeah.
As it is right now, VR levels should simply hav ebeen 51-64, as there is NO DIFFERENCE between the two. if they called it what it actually is, there would be a lot less hate at them. The reason they were called VETERAN ranks to begin with was to make it obvious they were not supposed to make the gap bigger and wider, it was supposed to be "vertical" progression.
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✭✭✭✭While i agree with the vr statement, lots of people do. It is a complaint that has echoed through these forums since launch. I have to agree that after 2 weeks it seems a bit silly to want to run in and compete with people who have been doing it for a long time.
This is a mmo. People Want to progress and the downside to that is usually to keep the hardcore sort of close to others they time gate stuff. Which makes it hard to catch up even if you do have the free time.
As a vr3 i certainly feel some of you pain. But i felt it in WoW when i didnt have a decent set of pvp gear yet. I felt it in Aion with the rovong bands of gankers killing low levels. I felt it in rift, with op class combos and dedicated levels of pvp gear. I felt it in Swtor with pvp gear and iffy upscaling. I saw it in GW2 with poor upscaling And perma invis thieves.
The only difference i see in these is that in those games when you finished you main quest line you were at or neAr max level. So you atleast had that. Here you finish your main quest line and they are all, hey go do that again 2 more times before you max.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on April 23, 2015 2:16PM1 -
BloodWolfe✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »So after two weeks you expect to be competitive in PvP against people who have been here for a year.
While I understand your frustration, consider how frustrated someone who's been playing for a year would be if someone who has been playing for two weeks is their equal in PvP. Where's the progression in that?
Ya but don't you know, this is the "me me me" self-entitled generation who thinks everything should be handed to them on a silver platter with little to no effort and be able to do eveyrthing someone who has spent a year achieving, lol.
OP, 2 weeks in and you are complaining about being VR2 and not competitive in PvP? Seriously, grow up! Those players put in a lot more time so why should you be on even ground as they are? It doesn't work like that!
As for quests, how do you expect them to be done? You read/listen to the quest and then it's complete and you get exp? No RPG can give you quests without some being "go to point A and kill X amount of this creature" or "collect X amount of this". Sadly, in an RPG and with experience to level up it's going to be there whether you like it or not. If it bothers you that much then I think it is safe to say an MMO and in general, RPG's aren't really suited for you and maybe you should go play more COD or some crap like that, k? Provide some ideas, otherwise your arguments just show you don't have the patience for RPG's.
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✭✭Yes the quests are typical MMO and too easy, there are far worse thans ESO's though.
PvP and veteran dungeons are where it's at. My level 22 NB has killed a few VR14 players 1v1. It's all about Champion Points now, once you get a few of those you'll be laughing, stick with it
PS it took me nearly 11 months to get to VR14, if you got to VR2 in 2 weeks re-roll and be that NB with the 2H
or try a Guild, it's not for everyone but it's great for grouping and meeting people to ask questions etc Edited by WillhelmBlack on April 23, 2015 2:20PMPC EU2 -
It doesn't sound like the OP's sort of game. PvPers who don't like questing might be better off with a different genre, I'd have thought, say FPS titles rather than MMORPGs.
Besides which, someone who has got to VR2 in barely a couple of weeks hasn't really given themselves much of a chance to enjoy it. Why the rush other than because it's not really the right sort of game and the enjoyment wasn't there? There's nothing special about the endgame in MMORPGs, I never have understood why people are in such a hurry to get there.
The rush is because I have played enough MMORPG's in the last 10 years to know what to expect. This game is NO different from any at all. So wanting to get to endgame without having to do the BS was my idea but then I realized that all the BS quest are ZOS attempt at hiding the fact that there IS NO ENDGAME. Sad.1 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OMG it took you too weeks to get to VR2? The Horror! It took me 4 months!
Yeah, you are not going to take on VR14s 1-v-1 in PvP, but that doesn't mean you can't go out there and help. Stick to groups, work out how to best support, figure out what skills and gear you need and have fun!
Not being VR14 has never stopped me from going to PvP.I still would pay Crowns for a LOL button.
I would totally pay crowns for that.The Moot Councillor2 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭I don't see what's wrong with the questing? I hit VR2 yesterday and find it to go really quickly. The quests, while partially repetitive, are still miles more interesting than "Kill X goblins" or "Collect Y hides" quests you see in other games.
It may seem a little repetitive, but we're uncovering the lore of specific places in Tamriel. To me, that's pretty cool. I don't find the objectives to be "half a map apart" either. In fact, almost all of the quests are designed to confine you to one specific area.
Monsters are much less dense in this game than in other MMOs, meaning you can mostly walk around without fear of taking a step and aggroing another creature. Many times other players questing in the area means I simply run from objective to objective following the story and not having to worry about the "trash mobs".
I would imagine if you didn't read any of the text and simply clicked through it all you would fly through the content. It takes me about 4 hours to do an entire zone, which is a little more than one veteran level.1 -
RealRobD✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »With all the money they used trying to get it out to console gamer's could have been used on making it better for those who already play or are newly joining considering its not even going to be a big hit for consoles anyway.
Have to agree with this.
I doubt they'll make much of a profit after recovering their development costs. Where does that leave us on the PC? Screwed.
For the next year or more, they'll use the flopped (low profits) console release as an excuse as to why we have no new content and tons of bugs still.
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I was lucky enough to find a nice grind spot within a week of playing when I was about level 19 that let me get to V1 the same day. Yeah thats about 10 levels an hour. Unfortunately and not at all unexpected ZOS has already nerfed it to nothing ( and I mean literally nothing, 0 exp now). That Is how I got to V1 quickly. The other Week or more has been questing till V2 and after finally reaching that it is clear this game has no direction.0
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BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Realization here: Ultima Online was a horribly made game that only survived cause it was the first MMO. if you tried to pass that off NOW a days it would fail faster then you can say "Wildstar and ESO"
also, one of the MAJOR things the devs were ALWAYS talking about is that ANYONE can PVP, that you are NOT forced to be higher level to succeed.
THIRDLY: in pretty much ALL MMO's someone who is max level with at least decent gear for it CAN PVP successfully, does not matter HOW long they have played, but as long as they are skilled and have the correct level then yeah.
As it is right now, VR levels should simply hav ebeen 51-64, as there is NO DIFFERENCE between the two. if they called it what it actually is, there would be a lot less hate at them. The reason they were called VETERAN ranks to begin with was to make it obvious they were not supposed to make the gap bigger and wider, it was supposed to be "vertical" progression.
We disagree on this and am so glad I never cried over PVP and learned how to deal with them in every game I have played. I have noticed the people that cry would be marked and killed over and over again. I also noticed when you laughed and told the guy good one you got me good would end up being left alone. To this day I love the cry baby's who keep getting killed over and over again, until they either learned to stop crying or quit the game.
So to all you cry babies BYE BYE!“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »
The rush is because I have played enough MMORPG's in the last 10 years to know what to expect. This game is NO different from any at all. So wanting to get to endgame without having to do the BS was my idea but then I realized that all the BS quest are ZOS attempt at hiding the fact that there IS NO ENDGAME. Sad.
So you expected to have all the skill points and abilities that people who have been playing for over a year have, while only playing for 2 weeks. Sorry, ESO is not the game for you. There are other games that allow you to purchase max level charactors right off at the start. Those games seem better suited to your needs, try them.
(I'm with Rivan12, at this point I'd pay crowns for a lol button)Edited by starlizard70ub17_ESO on April 23, 2015 2:21PM"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."3 -
Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭I understand your complaints, but did it occur to you that the guy who wiped you in 2 hits was simply better than you? He was likely better equipped and his entire set up was designed to do exactly as he did to your character. It's a shame that you're upset, I do really feel for you, but if you continue to play you'll eventually get better.2 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭Shadesofkin wrote: »I understand your complaints, but did it occur to you that the guy who wiped you in 2 hits was simply better than you? He was likely better equipped and his entire set up was designed to do exactly as he did to your character. It's a shame that you're upset, I do really feel for you, but if you continue to play you'll eventually get better.
Why do you feel bad?
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Realization here: Ultima Online was a horribly made game that only survived cause it was the first MMO. if you tried to pass that off NOW a days it would fail faster then you can say "Wildstar and ESO"
also, one of the MAJOR things the devs were ALWAYS talking about is that ANYONE can PVP, that you are NOT forced to be higher level to succeed.
THIRDLY: in pretty much ALL MMO's someone who is max level with at least decent gear for it CAN PVP successfully, does not matter HOW long they have played, but as long as they are skilled and have the correct level then yeah.
As it is right now, VR levels should simply hav ebeen 51-64, as there is NO DIFFERENCE between the two. if they called it what it actually is, there would be a lot less hate at them. The reason they were called VETERAN ranks to begin with was to make it obvious they were not supposed to make the gap bigger and wider, it was supposed to be "vertical" progression.
We disagree on this and am so glad I never cried over PVP and learned how to deal with them in every game I have played. I have noticed the people that cry would be marked and killed over and over again. I also noticed when you laughed and told the guy good one you got me good would end up being left alone. To this day I love the cry baby's who keep getting killed over and over again, until they either learned to stop crying or quit the game.
So to all you cry babies BYE BYE!
Love just how much assumptions you make that are clearly false, are you 12?
I am not much of a PVPer at all, the problem here is the deception, once again, that ZOS has been pulling here. Like i said in the post, they have said several times you can PVP at any level with no problem, then they have the veteran ranks and champion system that are the EXACT opposite. veteran ranks are simply more levels you have to grind despite being told you are done leveling, and Champion system will become more and more of a gap where it will make PVP deader then dead.
Now, would love to see what would happen if YOU were told you can PVE at any level i nany dungeon, but then when you tried it you realized the only people who EVER stood a chance at it were those with A LOT of Champion points, and everyone else could not PVE.0 -
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✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
If you think that well you must give lots of loot bags to your enemies... Gear matters there too.
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Kael'Thremar wrote: »
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
If you think that well you must give lots of loot bags to your enemies... Gear matters there too.
You're talking about WvW..0 -
PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭Kael'Thremar wrote: »I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
First off, gear DOES matter, and even then all PVP is there is like watching a Starcraft 2 match where everyone is using Zerglings.1 -
Kael'Thremar wrote: »I don't get it why people always complain about the higher level people that have played the game for over a year! Every game you hear the same darn thing, "it isn't fair people are so high so I quit because it isn't fair". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
People need to realize no matter what game you play from Ultima Online down to this one you will always have to deal with higher level people that have played the game longer. Just a short story about low levels and a high level jerk who keep picking on people in UO. One day the lower level guys got fed up with his BS so they decided not to use their normal characters but made all level one's. These level one's (forgot how many there were) all took on this higher level and not only did they beat him but stole the key to his house and took it from him. That was a great day when the low level guys/gals showed they weren't push overs.
Moral of story is anyone can get beat you just need to use your head!
Wrong. Gw2 PVP is not like that at all. Players are scaled to the same level and gear doesn't make a difference. So clearly not EVERY game is that way.
First off, gear DOES matter, and even then all PVP is there is like watching a Starcraft 2 match where everyone is using Zerglings.
Gear does NOT matter in Gw2 PVP. SPVP is all scaled.. and to talk about zerging is to talk about this game. That is all the pvp is made up of sadly.
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