Dwemer Motif Made Harder to Farm

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Inb4 existing drops of these items get fewer and fewer.

ZOS should publish drop rates and include it in patch notes when they change. Sunlight is the best of disinfectants.

cupelix14 · April 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

They want people to buy it on the store, yes. What is wrong with that? They need to support the game so it keeps running now that it's b2p. Replies like this make it seem like there is no other way to get the item except on the cash shop, but it's not true.

They took away a means of doing something that was too easy to farm. But go ahead and think it's some crazy conspiracy if you like

Naivefanboi · April 2015

cupelix14 wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

They want people to buy it on the store, yes. What is wrong with that? They need to support the game so it keeps running now that it's b2p. Replies like this make it seem like there is no other way to get the item except on the cash shop, but it's not true.

They took away a means of doing something that was too easy to farm. But go ahead and think it's some crazy conspiracy if you like

No they did to "balance things " not to get you buu from the "crown store " jeeez people sooo paranoid these days

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2015

Naivefanboi wrote: »

cupelix14 wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

They want people to buy it on the store, yes. What is wrong with that? They need to support the game so it keeps running now that it's b2p. Replies like this make it seem like there is no other way to get the item except on the cash shop, but it's not true.

They took away a means of doing something that was too easy to farm. But go ahead and think it's some crazy conspiracy if you like

No they did to "balance things " not to get you buu from the "crown store " jeeez people sooo paranoid these days

Yes they wanted the number of people buying motifs vs. the number of people acquiring them in game to be more "balanced"

This just in: capitalist company willing to sell out entire ESO franchise for cash wants more money to meet bottom line. OMG conspiracy!

Edit: Reads username. Lols hard.

Jaerlach · April 2015

It isnt surprising this was addressed, Avanchnzel was always a good motif farm, but it exploded in popularity when it was also a place to acquire v10 recipes (at least in my faction, DC, since it is in our v10 area). For the first 3 weeks of 1.6, I would run through it 3-4 times a day (about 7 minutes each), and made well over 60k daily doing so. You pulled a motif from Avanchnzel about 80% of the time, and could also pull multiple recipes due to the sheer number of containers.

It was incredibly lucrative when I was selling v10 blue food recipes for 20-25k a piece. Its hard to imagine that one ruin is the intended way of acquiring Dwemer Motifs, which seem to have had their drop rate increased in 1.6 to compensate for how hard they were to acquire everywhere else.

I_killed_Vivec · April 2015

Just ran Avanchnzel this morning (post 2.0.6) to see what they had done.

Half of the containers are now empty.

Same amount of trash gear (0 value).

But I picked up two recipes, and...

1 dwemer page

Moonshadow66 · April 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Wouldn't know, have yet to find a single page...

I only found 3 in total during all these months (not much more than 0) and never leave out a single container, while others seem to find 3 per 10 minutes already.
People might say "it's all RNG"... I say there's something wrong with RNG in this game.

Troneon · April 2015

HAhahahaaa

Saw this coming.

All about the $$$$

This is why I hate heavy microtransaction games, they always eventually affect gameplay and game design in a negative way.

MornaBaine · April 2015

I am wondering if ALL the motifs have become "more rare" now that they are also available for outright purchase in the cash shop.

eliisra · April 2015

I dont think this is related to the store so much. Avanchnzel was a grind- or farm spot for motifs. ZoS will always nerf popular spots that people repeat for loot or exp. It's just what they do.

MercyKilling · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

Kool-Aid has taken over this thread, Oh Yea.

Theosis · April 2015

Why is anyone surprised about this?

Zos is a business. They are here for money and they will do things to get money. They will eventually have to decide what is important in the means of lines not to cross but in the end, we are going to have to buy some things we want in order to play the game to our liking.

editing to add more

Zos instead of making pay 15 bucks a month having us pay for the game in another way.

You can choose to not support a game you are wanting to play by getting the items you want.

You can either sub the 15 a month and get all the crowns + 10% plus whatever.

Or you can play free and get nothing

Or you can help support the game by buying crowns each month.

It is your choice.

They will switch things around in order to encourage your monetary support of course. This sucks and I don't like it either but honestly these are cosmetic changes. ... so far.

They have not done anything to cross that line yet for pay to win. When they do Ill no longer contribute my sub like many and walk away.

Preyfar · April 2015

I went to Avenchenzel yesterday, and out of 5 runs... I found 6 pages. So, yeah, the chances to find them HAS gone down, but it's not a huge nerf. The chances of still finding a Dwemer page drop ARE still pretty high.

Zershar_Vemod · April 2015

What a convenience that it happens to be on the Crown Store too....

driosketch · April 2015

Pulled another page last night, currently have half a book's worth of pages for sale in my guild's store. Also dropped 2000 off the price per to see if they move. Have most of you been to a ruin yet and seen what the drop rate for pages are right now?

ThisOnePosts · April 2015

This is why I'm glad that I farmed them like crazy when they came out, got my set, sold plenty of others and now have no personal issues with this although I see how it can screw over newer players depending on how bad the nerfs are. This reminds me of that whole Warlock bit... glad I stocked up on sets for alts even before I leveled them while they were still reasonable to find in AA/HR.

Ley · April 2015

I keep buying under priced Dwemer motifs from my guild shops and reselling them for MM price. They usually sell the same day. Not sure why people here say they have a hard time selling them unless they're overpricing them.

driosketch · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

Not sure why people here say they have a hard time selling them unless they're overpricing them.

Even over priced they would still sell.

P3ZZL3 · April 2015

I'm selling Swords for 10k even though MM is 8600.

Dwemer frames is where the market is now. I'm selling on EU at 4300 and they were at 4100 as of last night.

Although, what I have NEVER figured out, is how come Dwemer Scraps are MM valued at like 150g each....granted I NEVER see any on the stores.... *shrugs* Maybe time to be selling scrap at 500g a piece.

I_killed_Vivec · April 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

I'm selling Swords for 10k even though MM is 8600.

Dwemer frames is where the market is now. I'm selling on EU at 4300 and they were at 4100 as of last night.

Although, what I have NEVER figured out, is how come Dwemer Scraps are MM valued at like 150g each....granted I NEVER see any on the stores.... *shrugs* Maybe time to be selling scrap at 500g a piece.

Oooo... frames... that's good to know!

I don't know what all the fuss is about with Dwemer gear, I think it's plain at best so despite having all the pages and a few frames I've never crafted any.

I'm strictly Daedric

Ley · April 2015

I'm not sure I know how to get Dwemer scraps. I've recently gone farming in Dwemer delves and cleared them about 7-8 times back to back, killed everything, looted everything. I got a few Dwemer motifs but not even one Dwemer scrap are they just very rare or am I not doing it right?

AngryNord · April 2015

I get Dwemer scraps all the time from Dwemer ruins post the 2.0 update

Ley · April 2015

RNG must hate me.

driosketch · April 2015

You can find scrap in both containers and from killing the enemies. I'm finding a lot more since they added them to the containers. 3-4 trips through a lower level ruin is enough to make a frame.

Messy1 · April 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

It looks like a very bad move on ZOS's part from that perspective.

UPrime · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

Was waiting for someone to point that out. But you never know, maybe they'll increase containers in other Dwemer ruins sooner rather than never and it'll be alright; maybe.

They've also had nerfs like this before the crown store was a twinkle in the dev's eyes. They have a drop rate in mind from a game balance stand point. Those maps had a higher drop rate per hour then it was meant to. They fixed it. That's it.

Victus · April 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

Hogzknuckle wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Terminus1 wrote: »

As for the complaints regarding this nerf - have you checked the guild stores in-game? There are entire PAGES of 100 dwemer recipes. It isn't like there is a shortage or anything...

Yea that's because players buy these pages all day every day. It was a great way to make gold. Here have some more Kool-aid....

You really like kool-aid, what's your favorite?

Jim Jones Grape

Personally I prefer the kind that doesn't have potassium cyanide in it, but that's just me.

Fun fact: the Jonestown mass suicide/homicide that gave us the phrase "drink the Kool-Aid" actually involved no Kool-Aid. They used Flavor Aid.

OK, that fact wasn't actually very fun, was it?

Just be glad it wasn't Lick-em-Aid.

"uh, so we have to lick these candy sticks and then dip them into this powder?"

Not the most effective form of poison transfer.

rynth · April 2015

So what's the difference between dwemer drop rate being nerfed and the rare motifs drop rate nerfed twice last year? Not to mention I think the 1 through 9 motifs drop rate was nerfed after couple of weeks. So again how is the dwemer any different then what has been done in the past?????? If people want pay forty dollars and some change or save up their monthly sub for four months good for them. Some of you conspiracy theorists need get a hole of yourselves your imagination is running wild

UrQuan · April 2015

lol so according to a message I just got from a mod, a comment of mine was removed from this thread because the content it referred to was removed. I don't even remember posting in this thread! I mean I guess I must have posted in here, and I must have quoted someone else's post in here, but what the heck did I say? I'm really scratching my head on this...

Edit: oh wait, I know what it was. Never mind.

JKorr · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

Exploration & Itemization
General

Due to extensive pillaging, many containers in Mzeneldt (the Dwemer ruins from the Fighters Guild questline) and Avanchnzel (the Dwemer delve located in the Rift) have been ransacked, causing many of them to be emptier than before. We are looking at increasing the number of interactable objects in other Dwemer locations in the future.

I guess this means gold prices will go up and crown sales will increase.

Except I've found three dwemer motifs since the "nerf". Before the nerf? None.

I found blue motifs, although not a complete set. I found doubles, so I could trade for the ones I didn't find.

1.6 update came out, people started complaining about the nerf to finding purple motifs. I found the first one I found since I started playing beta and continued on non-stop until now.