Dwemer Motif Made Harder to Farm

Ley · April 2015

Exploration & Itemization
General

Due to extensive pillaging, many containers in Mzeneldt (the Dwemer ruins from the Fighters Guild questline) and Avanchnzel (the Dwemer delve located in the Rift) have been ransacked, causing many of them to be emptier than before. We are looking at increasing the number of interactable objects in other Dwemer locations in the future.

I guess this means gold prices will go up and crown sales will increase.

Terminus1 · April 2015

Not really. I have done this zone a couple of times trying for dwemer recipes etc. and simply found it lacking compared to other places. I don't understand all the folks doing this so much. I have had so much more luck in other places that this is yet another null-point nerf IMHO.

Ommamar · April 2015

Well the thing about Mzeneldt was that it was an instance so there was no competition for the containers. I am not sure why you would take that option from someone who gave up there time to run through it.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2015

Wouldn't know, have yet to find a single page...

Xendyn · April 2015

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

DerpyShadowz · April 2015

Ommamar wrote: »

Well the thing about Mzeneldt was that it was an instance so there was no competition for the containers. I am not sure why you would take that option from someone who gave up there time to run through it.

Even in public places your loot is instanced

Terminus1 · April 2015

As for the complaints regarding this nerf - have you checked the guild stores in-game? There are entire PAGES of 100 dwemer recipes. It isn't like there is a shortage or anything...

Cuyler · April 2015

Terminus1 wrote: »

Not really. I have done this zone a couple of times trying for dwemer recipes etc. and simply found it lacking compared to other places. I don't understand all the folks doing this so much. I have had so much more luck in other places that this is yet another null-point nerf IMHO.

Alvanchzel was by far the most containers, the other not so much. You better believe this game has gone full blown crown store kool-aid. Drink up!

Keep your head down and covered more crown store item grind nerfs incoming!

Edit: Don't fret however they will be buffing the other Dwemer ruins containers SOON. I wont be holding my breath.

Ley · April 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

Was waiting for someone to point that out. But you never know, maybe they'll increase containers in other Dwemer ruins sooner rather than never and it'll be alright; maybe.

Terminus1 · April 2015

I have yet to buy anything from the Crown store. I have 3000 funds - I just haven't found anything I want yet. I HOPE they come up with something but so far? nada.

Ommamar · April 2015

I Highlander l wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Well the thing about Mzeneldt was that it was an instance so there was no competition for the containers. I am not sure why you would take that option from someone who gave up there time to run through it.

Even in public places your loot is instanced

This is true but with the more people in the area the more the RNG seems to be effected and the more likely that there will be empty containers. Also the less likely will you be able to get to mobs for a chance to get frames.

AlnilamE · April 2015

Just check every dwemer pot you come across.

I've found a dwemer page in a little camp in Eastmarch where I was searching for a lore book and there were three pots there behind the bed.

Also in DSA during the Dwemer round, there are 3 pots in the instance. We wiped a few times and I kept checking one of the pots before the start and I found a page.

Cuyler · April 2015

Terminus1 wrote: »

As for the complaints regarding this nerf - have you checked the guild stores in-game? There are entire PAGES of 100 dwemer recipes. It isn't like there is a shortage or anything...

Yea that's because players buy these pages all day every day. It was a great way to make gold. Here have some more Kool-aid....

Iluvrien · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

Was waiting for someone to point that out. But you never know, maybe they'll increase containers in other Dwemer ruins sooner rather than never and it'll be alright; maybe.

You'll forgive me for not holding my breath on this one.

"We are looking at..." has translated into "Might as well be never" too often for my liking.

As a previous poster pointed out, there are pages of Dwemer motifs in guild stores at the moment. If I was looking for a way to decrease that population of available motif pages (and therefore increase interest in my paid versions) and if I had no shame or moral compunction whatsoever... then I might have been looking into this.

Terminus1 · April 2015

There are a LOT of dwemer ruins. Maybe you aren't going to the correct ones. I never see more than one other person when I farm ruins. I have little to no competition for these things. In fact, I get so many that I give them to my guild. So many on guild venders now that it just isn't worth the wasted space of putting it up for sale.

As for frames? I make it a point to kill everything in the zone. I loot every single container I see. I have the sneak skills to run an entire zone, loot every container, and never get in a single fight and do it all in just a few minutes. But the truth is that killing the mobs increases your chances at scraps/frames. Why would I do one of these delves and NOT kill for frames?

daemonios · April 2015

Ommamar wrote: »

I Highlander l wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Well the thing about Mzeneldt was that it was an instance so there was no competition for the containers. I am not sure why you would take that option from someone who gave up there time to run through it.

Even in public places your loot is instanced

This is true but with the more people in the area the more the RNG seems to be effected and the more likely that there will be empty containers. Also the less likely will you be able to get to mobs for a chance to get frames.

I doubt that's the case. When I was collecting the Dwemer motifs for myself I ran Avanchnzel exactly once per day (don't like to grind) and most times left with a motif. It didn't take very long to complete the collection by using new ones and trading repeated ones with other players.

This dungeon had many many more containers than other Dwemer ruins, so I kind of understand the nerf. But I can't help feeling this was done now because crown store.

Lionxoft · April 2015

I heard that the bandits who ransacked the ruins are selling them on the Crown Store now

rynth · April 2015

Wow funny how at some point in time all the motifs dropped rate were nerfed since the start of the game. Why would this motif be any different. Oh and let's ignore fact that zos also said in same area they were looking at other containers make lootable. But yeah ignore logic and go straight to blaming the crown store cause I'm sure everything else they change some table top crusader will blame the crown store in some way

Saltypretzels · April 2015

rynth wrote: »

Wow funny how at some point in time all the motifs dropped rate were nerfed since the start of the game. Why would this motif be any different. Oh and let's ignore fact that zos also said in same area they were looking at other containers make lootable. But yeah ignore logic and go straight to blaming the crown store cause I'm sure everything else they change some table top crusader will blame the crown store in some way

You speak of logic.

It clearly follows that 1) Motifs are sold in the crown stores, and then shortly after we have

2) Farming areas for dwemer motifs are nerfed, which leads logically to

3) This was intentional decision to have people use the crown store.

This is not a leap of logic. This all follows very well. And it isn't even subtle, which is a little surprising. And they write the nerf in the patch notes as a joke, which is just insulting.

driosketch · April 2015

Containers are instanced. The only reason people liked the FG one is it had a lot of containers to check so it felt like it was the most efficient. Personally, this week I've been pulling one page almost per trip from the ruins on Stros M'Kai.

Of course that's not really a good thing, if they are too easy to farm the price will drop.

ChampionSheWolf · April 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

Terminus1 wrote: »

Not really. I have done this zone a couple of times trying for dwemer recipes etc. and simply found it lacking compared to other places. I don't understand all the folks doing this so much. I have had so much more luck in other places that this is yet another null-point nerf IMHO.

Alvanchzel was by far the most containers, the other not so much. You better believe this game has gone full blown crown store kool-aid. Drink up!

Keep your head down and covered more crown store item grind nerfs incoming!

Edit: Don't fret however they will be buffing the other Dwemer ruins containers SOON. I wont be holding my breath.

I wonder how many more sky is falling posts will be made. I am always fascinated by these posts.

UrQuan · April 2015

I Highlander l wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Well the thing about Mzeneldt was that it was an instance so there was no competition for the containers. I am not sure why you would take that option from someone who gave up there time to run through it.

Even in public places your loot is instanced

This is true - I used to farm Mzeneldt not because I thought I'd have less competition for container contents (because there's no such thing as competition for container contents in this game), but because there wasn't anyone farming the mobs in there, so I wasn't getting in anyone's way, and nobody was getting in my way. I also liked to use it to practice my light attack weaving.

To be honest, though, for a while I was doing 1-2 runs through it on the one alt that hadn't completed the quest almost every day that I played, but I haven't done it in months now. Since I've already got all of the Dwemer motif pages, and I was never farming it to sell pages (I gave a couple of the pages I didn't need away for free), my only real reason to go there is to get scrap to refine into frames. I'll probably just finally complete the quest now.

Ackwalan · April 2015

Yup, this update is a kick in the butt. The dwemer motif sales already took a hit from being on the crown store, now this nerf. I guess ZOS has an all out war on player motif sales.

I_killed_Vivec · April 2015

daemonios wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

I Highlander l wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Well the thing about Mzeneldt was that it was an instance so there was no competition for the containers. I am not sure why you would take that option from someone who gave up there time to run through it.

Even in public places your loot is instanced

This is true but with the more people in the area the more the RNG seems to be effected and the more likely that there will be empty containers. Also the less likely will you be able to get to mobs for a chance to get frames.

I doubt that's the case. When I was collecting the Dwemer motifs for myself I ran Avanchnzel exactly once per day (don't like to grind) and most times left with a motif. It didn't take very long to complete the collection by using new ones and trading repeated ones with other players.

This dungeon had many many more containers than other Dwemer ruins, so I kind of understand the nerf. But I can't help feeling this was done now because crown store.

I too ran Avanchnzel once a day and generally found one a day, along with some recipes. It wasn't exactly full of people, maybe a couple of others - often at the correct level for the zone so I guess they weren't farmers. I'd hardly call the place "ransacked".

But what are they really saying here?

"Due to extensive pillaging, many containers in Mzeneldt (the Dwemer ruins from the Fighters Guild questline) and Avanchnzel (the Dwemer delve located in the Rift) have been ransacked, causing many of them to be emptier than before."

That's simply a statement of a problem...

"We are looking at increasing the number of interactable objects in other Dwemer locations in the future."

That's simply a statement of intent.

What is this doing in the Patch Notes if it doesn't describe an actual change brought about in 2.0.6?

It's hardly surprising that it just fuels the conspiracy theory: "emptier than before" = nerfed

rynth · April 2015

Yeah so explain all the other motifs having the drop rate nerfed and the prices sky rocket for awhile from all those trying to take advantage of people being scared of not getting rare motif before even a crown store was around? People complained that the rare motifs were too easy to farm so it got nerfed twice I believe waaaaaaaaaaay before there was a crown store. You chicken little types need get a hold of yourselves lol some paranoid conspiracy theorist playing this game

Hogzknuckle · April 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

Terminus1 wrote: »

As for the complaints regarding this nerf - have you checked the guild stores in-game? There are entire PAGES of 100 dwemer recipes. It isn't like there is a shortage or anything...

Yea that's because players buy these pages all day every day. It was a great way to make gold. Here have some more Kool-aid....

You really like kool-aid, what's your favorite?

JD2013 · April 2015

Good thing I found 2 pages yesterday!

Not in The Rift

Trollwut · April 2015

The original motifs have been made MUCH more rare back in the starting times. And see, the price went down rapidly.

Just wait a few weeks until everyone got covered with Dwemer Motifs and then you're free to go.

Acrolas · April 2015

Sharkleberry Fin is pretty good, as far as sugar-loaded water goes.

The thing is, though, I don't mind them changing the game if they want. It's their game. If they break it, it's their fault.

What I really, really don't like is when they write it up like it's someone else's fault. Take some ownership of your choices instead of hiding them behind raw, undeveloped story ideas.

Ley · April 2015

Kool-Aid has taken over this thread, Oh Yea.

Remag_Div · April 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

Gee, funny how that happens after they go in the Crown store....

LOL!

ZeniMax don't even care enough to at least try and hide these updates to boost Crown Store purchases.