Is 3,600 Champion Points too much of a grind?

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

The lazy and self entitled looking at more ways to nerf ESO into even more easy mode pointlessness. What a shock.

I honestly wonder what sort of patience or achievement ratio they must have in real life, if some mere points are too much of a challenge to overcome.

As usual Elloa is correct. But these threads. Ugh >_<

Grinding doesn't make the game any harder, it just makes it more time consuming. There's no challenge presented, just a time lock. Nerfing the grind doesn't make the game easier, it makes the game faster.

Man you self-proclaimed 'hardcore' people are annoying. Can't tell the difference between hard and masochistic/tedious.

Sandmanninja · April 2015

what would you have us do?

Some things need to have work to be achieved. If it was capable of being completed in a single evening, then where's the fun in that?

Man, you self-proclaimed "gimme stuff now" people are annoying. Can't you tell the difference between working towards a goal and masochistic/tedius.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Sandmanninja wrote: »

what would you have us do?

Some things need to have work to be achieved. If it was capable of being completed in a single evening, then where's the fun in that?

Man, you self-proclaimed "gimme stuff now" people are annoying. Can't you tell the difference between working towards a goal and masochistic/tedius.

Aye well said, pretty much the gist of what I stated earlier in thread.

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Sandmanninja wrote: »

what would you have us do?

Some things need to have work to be achieved. If it was capable of being completed in a single evening, then where's the fun in that?

Man, you self-proclaimed "gimme stuff now" people are annoying. Can't you tell the difference between working towards a goal and masochistic/tedius.

Because asking for it to not require ten years is asking for it to be done in a single evening.

Also, nice attempt at mocking my post. Maybe next time you'll learn to spell right, especially when the post you're imitating already has it spelled correctly for you.

Or perhaps even learn to rephrase things so that they make actual sense in the context of the rest of your post. Who proclaims themself to be "gimme stuff now"?

Sandmanninja · April 2015

WTF else are you gonna do for 10 years?
the journey is the goal.
Doing the things IS the experience, they don't just give experience.

Oh, and I did add a comma. Properly punctuating your original sentence.
I used your words because I'm tired of people with "gimme insta now!" attitudes.

I bet you used every cheat code you could find to "win" at single player games.
Did you feel lonely when your friends gathered together at school and talked about how many attempts it took them to finally get through that one really hard, difficult part of level 213 of your fav game? What did you say when they each shared the lil special tip they did to earn their way past? Did you say "I pressed Control+Z+123", or did you make a story up?

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Sandmanninja wrote: »

WTF else are you gonna do for 10 years?

Actual content?

Doing the things IS the experience, they don't just give experience.

You earn CP through grinding. If that's the experience, you might want to re-evaluate how you've designed the game.

I used your words because I'm tired of people with "gimme insta now!" attitudes.

What does that attitude have to do with copy-pasting my words with no context behind them?

I bet you used every cheat code you could find to "win" at single player games.
Did you feel lonely when your friends gathered together at school and talked about how many attempts it took them to finally get through that one really hard, difficult part of level 213 of your fav game? What did you say when they each shared the lil special tip they did to earn their way past? Did you say "I pressed Control+Z+123", or did you make a story up?

Yet again, 'hardcore gamers' failing to differentiate between time consuming and difficult.

It's not hard to earn CP. There's no special trick to it, no strategies, no gathering around the lunch table and saying "Oh yeah I used __ and __ and did __". It just takes a long time of simply playing the game for no reason other than "IT WUDNT BE HARCCORE IF U CUD DO IT IN A DAY".

Which, by the way, no one here is asking for.

I bet you think anyone who uses wayshrines at all is a 'filthy casual'. Only the true hardcore players walk across the entire continent.

Steinschlag · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Not to much, cause it don't interests me. If i get 2 CP at end of the day OK.If I get noone OK. I DON'T play especialy for that "Content"...

Huggernaut · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Davadin wrote: »

Huggernaut wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I thought VR ranks were a bit of a grind... now I find that the Champion Point system is far more soul-destroying than VR ever was.

Let me be clear: I have no problem with a game that rewards time and effort. Players who have put more time into the game should be able to gain advantages for all that effort. But 3600 point is just too much: it is a deterrent to anyone thinking of buying or playing the game to think that they will have to grind for literally years to get anywhere close to the more experienced players. At least with VR, the grind eventually ended; with CP, it virtually never will.

But maybe I am in the minority. What do you think?

I have no idea how anyone has voted NO so far.

3600 pts at roughly 2 a day let's say, that's 1800 days, or 4.9 years. How the flip is that not too much grind?

coz ur not supposed to gain CP as a goal. ur supposed to enjoy the actual content, and CP is just a bonus reward for enjoying those content.

That isn't true at all. People restrict others from joining groups for content based on how many CP they have earned. If something is in the game, and getting more of that something increases the overall effectiveness of your character ... people are going to expect others to go out and get it.

It's as simple as that.

You can tell yourself all day long, that it's just a little something extra on top, don't worry about it. That doesn't change the facts though.

Heck even one of my guilds won't let you do trials without at least 90 CP minimum. Which, granted isn't a ton ... but the restriction is still there and the fact that people are starting to make restrictions already based on CP, means it's only going to get worse as time goes on.

Eventually people will be shouting for x level & 500 CP minimum, or 1000 CP, or etc, etc.

The goal of an alternative advancement system isn't just to make some ludicrous long term goal that no one is ever supposed to achieve. The point of an AA system is to allow the player a deeper level of customization. A way to truly call a character their own.

Spending 5 years grinding out champion points isn't even remotely feasible in my book.

The problem as I see it, is that ZOS goes in too heavy in almost all cases. Need to tone down something from a 6? let's drop it to -23!, that is the feeling I get when I see them make adjustments.

Granted, the champion system is still very new and with the removal of the Vet levels on the horizon, as well as hopefully an xp boost across the board for all end game content (silver, gold, crag, trials, cyrodil, etc) ... I am optimistic that things will get better soon.

At the end of the day though, 400k per point is a little much, at least with what we currently have to work with.

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Huggernaut wrote: »

That isn't true at all. People restrict others from joining groups for content based on how many CP they have earned. If something is in the game, and getting more of that something increases the overall effectiveness of your character ... people are going to expect others to go out and get it.

It's as simple as that.

Maybe not quite as simple as that.

Something like +12% crit is huge, that can make or break a build. I believe there's a lot of truth to my own comment about there being a 90CP Minimum to the game, there's a lot of good passives that require a certain amount of points.

Aside from that, I don't think groups are going to care if you have or don't have +5% stamina generation, crit resistance, so on. The reason for the 90CP minimum is those specific passives.

Heck even one of my guilds won't let you do trials without at least 90 CP minimum. Which, granted isn't a ton ... but the restriction is still there and the fact that people are starting to make restrictions already based on CP, means it's only going to get worse as time goes on.

Supports my view.

Eventually people will be shouting for x level & 500 CP minimum, or 1000 CP, or etc, etc.

I disagree because:
1. Content isn't anywhere near difficult enough to require those amounts.
2. The higher level passives aren't that great compared to the 30 ones, for whatever reason.

The goal of an alternative advancement system isn't just to make some ludicrous long term goal that no one is ever supposed to achieve. The point of an AA system is to allow the player a deeper level of customization. A way to truly call a character their own.

Spending 5 years grinding out champion points isn't even remotely feasible in my book.

Agreed on both points.

At the end of the day though, 400k per point is a little much, at least with what we currently have to work with.

Eh, you get like three for just 100k daily, correct me if I'm wrong.

Wolfshead · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

@david.haypreub18_ESO

You do know this game is a mmorpg which mean thing should take time to complete nothing is suppose to done over a weekend and the sooner people understand this the will also understand it take time to do thing.

For a online game is basically a live, breathe world that mean that over char is live there and the do thing which is suppose do just like you do in real life the do daliy thing like killing monster, raiding and so on.

I mean how would you feel if the day you turn 8 year old in real life everything on your life was done??

david.haypreub18_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Wolfshead wrote: »

@david.haypreub18_ESO

You do know this game is a mmorpg which mean thing should take time to complete nothing is suppose to done over a weekend and the sooner people understand this the will also understand it take time to do thing.

I appreciate what you are saying, but I'm not arguing that you should be able to hit the 3,600 cap in a weekend. Right now, it would take me more than 10 years-- literally, more than 10 years-- to get to the 3,600 cap after playing 5 days a week for several hours a day. That is just way too much. Cut it down to 2 years or even 4 years and at least new players joining the game would have a hope of someday seeing a level playing field. As it is right now, 10+ years is just a deterrent for new players.

Raash · April 2015

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I thought VR ranks were a bit of a grind... now I find that the Champion Point system is far more soul-destroying than VR ever was.

Let me be clear: I have no problem with a game that rewards time and effort. Players who have put more time into the game should be able to gain advantages for all that effort. But 3600 point is just too much: it is a deterrent to anyone thinking of buying or playing the game to think that they will have to grind for literally years to get anywhere close to the more experienced players. At least with VR, the grind eventually ended; with CP, it virtually never will.

But maybe I am in the minority. What do you think?

Cant answer, have not tried to grind for it yet

Muizer · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Huggernaut wrote: »

People restrict others from joining groups for content based on how many CP they have earned. If something is in the game, and getting more of that something increases the overall effectiveness of your character ... people are going to expect others to go out and get it

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What you're saying is that people who believe CP should be grinded will expect those they group with to do the same. The can still all be wrong though. They could just all be caught in a self-reinforcing loop of misguidedness. I think "herd mentality" is an applicable term.

Avenias · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

To those people who voted no, you are either insane or love to play only 1 character. As it stands now, its impossible to try out a different character with a different build as you need to go through the crazy grindwall again. What is the point of having so many different builds available only to be stuck with one?

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Avenias wrote: »

To those people who voted no, you are either insane or love to play only 1 character. As it stands now, its impossible to try out a different character with a different build as you need to go through the crazy grindwall again. What is the point of having so many different builds available only to be stuck with one?

Um when you attain CP`s, it goes to all vet characters that you have, so sorry not really valid.

So hardly insane.