I started playing this game at launch and quit around 2 months later when I hit VR3 (bearing in mind I got to 50 well within the first month). Just because VR leveling was so boring, played less and less and eventually quit.

I started playing again last week, and honestly the VR leveling feels worse than ever. Admitted for the moment likely because of my long break the quests/gameplay is actually keeping me entertained but I haven't even gained 1 VR, I've not even gained half a VR.

I can't imagine I will get to VR14 with it like this, this is very much the style of Asian grindfest MMO's where you grind for hours on end to gain 1 level and you have extreme power gaps between higher levels and lower levels.

If they make vet leveling any easier, they have to up the level of the mobs in all the VR zones.

Right now, my V14 is wrapping up the side-quests in the last Silver zone.
My V6 is halfway through the quests in the first zone in Silver
My V4 has just finished the starter islands in Silver

If you are doing anything other than straight up 100% questing, you will easily outlevel the VR zones and it will become even more of a faceroll than it already is.

So if they change the XP requirement for vet levels, they better make the mobs more challenging and increase the VR level of the mobs in the vet zones to what they expect the players to be (ie, pretty much all of the Gold zones would be VR14)

Need more votes to get a solid answer from the playerbase.

I agree with the OP. In fact I started almost the exact same thread a week ago:

Why and How to Remove the Pain of Veteran Ranks....Its-simple


Why: Player Separation. Player separation is the number one reason why vet levels need to be removed/adjusted. I've had too many real life friends simply give up because the road is too long to get to max level. The reason why becoming max level is so important in an MMO is because that pool of max level characters is the largest pool of players in the game as compared to each other individual level prior to max level. I would be very surprised if there weren't more vr14 characters than any other single level in the game (other than level 1 , or perhaps VR1). Being max level means that when you are looking for a group you don't have to find a tiny sliver of the population that is the same level as you are, instead there is a large pool of people that have reached end-game content which also happens to be the best content in the game.

How: Simply reduce the XP required to gain each vet rank from 1,000,000 to the amount of xp needed to go from 49-50 (not sure what that is). This essentially just makes vr14 the equivalent of level 63. No other changes to the game would be required. No retroactive granting of vet levels for xp gained prior to the change.

Why not do it....next patch?

Jando wrote: »

I agree with the OP. In fact I started almost the exact same thread a week ago:

Why and How to Remove the Pain of Veteran Ranks....Its-simple


Why: Player Separation. Player separation is the number one reason why vet levels need to be removed/adjusted. I've had too many real life friends simply give up because the road is too long to get to max level. The reason why becoming max level is so important in an MMO is because that pool of max level characters is the largest pool of players in the game as compared to each other individual level prior to max level. I would be very surprised if there weren't more vr14 characters than any other single level in the game (other than level 1 , or perhaps VR1). Being max level means that when you are looking for a group you don't have to find a tiny sliver of the population that is the same level as you are, instead there is a large pool of people that have reached end-game content which also happens to be the best content in the game.

How: Simply reduce the XP required to gain each vet rank from 1,000,000 to the amount of xp needed to go from 49-50 (not sure what that is). This essentially just makes vr14 the equivalent of level 63. No other changes to the game would be required. No retroactive granting of vet levels for xp gained prior to the change.

Why not do it....next patch?

Great ideas, but this is ZoS, they don't do listening anymore.

If you think the Vet levels produced too much separation, the Champion Point system is literally 10x worse.

I don't think they can remove vet levels anymore. If they tie gear to the Champion Point system, then the separation between players is going to increase exponentially. Imagine gear that requires 1000 Champion Points spent to use.

I used to dislike vet levels due to the grind, but if they do away with them and all we have is Champion Points, I may simply quit the game because the playing field will never be level after that. The Champion system is way more of a grind than vet levels ever were.

Please recreate poll after we know more about there plans for removing the ranks. Otherwise, probably a tad bit irrelevant.

$100 on there still being VET levels a year from now.

To not have VR´s would be a mistake. What are players supposed to do once they hit 50? We have zero content for those interested in quests, RP. Not everyone plays an MMO to rush to max level and then steamroll raids. Always keep that in mind if you want to remove content from this game.

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Who says they will get rid of vet levels?

They have said they will be removing vet levels since before December.

And i can list you numerous things that they have "said" that never came to be or were reversed.

Probably going to happen in this case as well is my guess.

Wow must be new players here don't know that they are getting rid of vet ranks. It was a big issue and they had a long discussion about it . here's some links

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147849/who-can-wear-v14-gear#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150229/gear-and-the-removal-of-vet-system
here's a quote

Phase 4 was supposed to be the last phase of the Champion System in which they remove Vet Ranks and install Seasonal Gear. <-- Which kinda answers your question. Seasonal gear is supposed to be a Tiered system where you would have access to the highest Tiers based on in game experience and achievements. For each new season, the previous season's gear was supposed to be available for cheap so that players would never really be any more than one season behind the most active players.

I'm currently leveling up Veteran Ranks by doing the other faction Quest and IMO I love it. I don't feel grindy at all and I thought levels 0-50 were to fast. I feel more accomplished when I level a VR because of how long it takes.