Alphashado wrote: »

It's just not working like it's supposed to. Insisting that it's only a matter of people not using it or using it wrong just insults the intelligence of everyone that sits in que for hours on end and gives ZoS the impression that it's working correctly, therefore increasing the odds of them not trying to fix it.

It's not an insult if it's a fact.
People have literally shown proof in this thread AnD others that the tool still works.
When a game goes from approx 750,000 active subs to less than 100,000 active subs and then realize there may be chunks of players sub 20 and another chunk at VR12-14 then there leaves very few in between to queue


The tool is based on active participation just like zone chat lfg. They are exactly the same if measuring cause and effect.
The only difference is that some choose to sit in one zone and wait for others while spamming to add members but not calculating the time it takes in a zone with thousands of ppl vs queues with less than 100 ppl at the level range

It's just mathematics

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Basically the game subs drastically dropped and somehow due to longer queues that means in some people's heads that it's broken.

It worked great prior to 1.5.2 when the population was at it's lowest. This was before the CS was even mentioned yet and people were dropping off like flies. I would get groups with no longer than 30 min wait times as a DPS. Then all of a sudden right around the time ZOS made a bunch of changes to the LFG tool with 1.5.2 because of dungeon scaling, people just instantly forgot how to use it correctly? Overnight? At the same exact time ZOS patched the tool? Ok.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Then Instead people asking others to use it...people write posts about what they are and aren't going to do until ZOS changes something...based on their opinion

Those opinions are based on the experiences from people that have had little to no success using it, despite tons of new people coming to the game saying they are attempting to use it.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

While many may agree that certain changes would make the tool output better result and that incentives will encourage more use ZOS isn't looking at changing the tool.

There are customer support responses claiming otherwise.

Those of us that continue to try and use it and continue to get burnt are just not going to believe it until we see it with our own eyes. I applaud your effort, but right now I will take CS responses and my own experiences over what you are saying.

A lot of this is your perception and opinions which is fine around what it should do and how things should work but.... Lets not go back n forth about the tool working...as it does, and this is not based on me...its based on thousands of people using it successfully.
Fact: The tool works right now (it may have bugs but it works)
My opinions: are all along the lines of incentives AND encouraging people to spread the word that the tool does work and asking people to queue for the better good.

-Customer service is working on bugs like leaders not being leaders and leaders not being able to invite or the grouping tool forming groups without a leader...which differs from working on making the tool form groups.

-Claims around dungeon scaling...that has no adverse problems to using the tool because this works off entering the encounter, rather than finding people to go do an encounter.

Think about the character level and faction that you wee playing on. Did you often see people while playing...around your same levels?

doggie wrote: »

If the dungeon finder is bugged it needs to be fixed before console, or they can just as well close the game. On console more people will use the finder because chatting is too much trouble. But if there's no incentives to replay for tanks/healers then there will be few dps who get a run.

Perhaps console will beta test the newest lfg tool.

^I'll pass on sending a ticket as its working but thank you for the comment

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous to assume that only 3 people out of at least thousands of players in the lv15-35 range used the group finder tool in a 26 hour period.

I agree it would be ridiculous to make that assumption but it's equally ridiculous to assume ppl are using it if others continue to report very long times in queue.

This doesn't even make sense...

It's borderline impossible for nobody to have been using it in the time and level range that I cited out of literally thousands of players, especially considering the influx of new players within that level range.

I know that there is a huge amount of activity in this level range because I had absolutely zero issues finding a group outside of the tool and every single area has been jam-packed.

Either some people were queued and not put into a group w/ me (most likely), or out of thousands of players, not a soul ever bothered to use it. Not likely at all.

Clearly there is something going on w/ it and sticking your fingers in your ears and LALALALAing while insisting that it's working correctly does absolutely nothing to help the situation.

"Nobody on the entire megaserver from levels 15-35 have queued for ANY dungeon using the group tool during 26+ prime-time hours."

You can believe whatever you like, but I find that to be completely asinine.

Varicite wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous to assume that only 3 people out of at least thousands of players in the lv15-35 range used the group finder tool in a 26 hour period.

I agree it would be ridiculous to make that assumption but it's equally ridiculous to assume ppl are using it if others continue to report very long times in queue.

This doesn't even make sense...

It's borderline impossible for nobody to have been using it in the time and level range that I cited out of literally thousands of players, especially considering the influx of new players within that level range.

I know that there is a huge amount of activity in this level range because I had absolutely zero issues finding a group outside of the tool and every single area has been jam-packed.

Either some people were queued and not put into a group w/ me (most likely), or out of thousands of players, not a soul ever bothered to use it. Not likely at all.

Clearly there is something going on w/ it and sticking your fingers in your ears and LALALALAing while insisting that it's working correctly does absolutely nothing to help the situation.

"Nobody on the entire megaserver from levels 15-35 have queued for ANY dungeon using the group tool during 26+ prime-time hours."

You can believe whatever you like, but I find that to be completely asinine.

Respectfully it appears that your fingers are in your own ears. Look at the other comments...

I try the LFG tool from time to time, just to see if it's fixed. I have YET to EVER get a group with it, and I've played since beta/5-day early access, and I've queued as tank/healer/dps (yes, I had the gear/spells for all 3).

The only thing is.. other that the undaunted dailies (which I do daily - i love dungeons), you don't seem to get any appreciable amount of xp from doing dungeons.

I know it was nerfed to stop ppl from chain running dungeons to level, but that's how I level a lot of alts in other MMOs.
I love quests..the first time through. Other than that, I mainly run dungeons. You get a lot of use of your skills (leveling them) and you get gear (mob drops and boss drops).

Just wish there was a way to get a decent amount of XP from doing dungeons. I would literally live in the dungeon queue if there were.

Razzak wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous to assume that only 3 people out of at least thousands of players in the lv15-35 range used the group finder tool in a 26 hour period.

I agree it would be ridiculous to make that assumption but it's equally ridiculous to assume ppl are using it if others continue to report very long times in queue.

This doesn't even make sense...

It's borderline impossible for nobody to have been using it in the time and level range that I cited out of literally thousands of players, especially considering the influx of new players within that level range.

I know that there is a huge amount of activity in this level range because I had absolutely zero issues finding a group outside of the tool and every single area has been jam-packed.

Either some people were queued and not put into a group w/ me (most likely), or out of thousands of players, not a soul ever bothered to use it. Not likely at all.

Clearly there is something going on w/ it and sticking your fingers in your ears and LALALALAing while insisting that it's working correctly does absolutely nothing to help the situation.

"Nobody on the entire megaserver from levels 15-35 have queued for ANY dungeon using the group tool during 26+ prime-time hours."

You can believe whatever you like, but I find that to be completely asinine.

Respectfully it appears that your fingers are in your own ears. Look at the other comments...

You really are blind to anything but your own posts, aren't you?

Not at all...look in this forum and the other threads.
The people who say it isn't working are actually describing long wait times. That is a big difference between something not working when the tool is based on participation #'s.

I went along for three months believing it didn't work until it popped me into a group at VR1. Then I asked the others if they use the tool or not and they said they stopped but decided to start back again due to feedback from peers at lower levels.

Why would my desire to encourage others to use a tool that does work be "blind"?
I'm trying to help everyone have a better experience and clear up the miss-information out there about the tool "not working"

Varicite wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The people who say it isn't working are actually describing long wait times.

26.5 hours is not a "long wait time". That is over a day.

And again, it's pretty much unthinkable to assume that it's solely because of participation numbers that this would occur, especially in the level ranges I'm talking about where there are more active players than any other level range.

And you're asking us to believe that it works because, what, you asked some friends to queue one time and it popped?

Even though somebody has even posted the exact opposite experience (asked friends to queue and it did not pop).

That's contradictory, and you're being dismissive. What makes your experience supersede theirs? Or mine? Or everyone else's?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm trying to help everyone have a better experience and clear up the miss-information out there about the tool "not working"

As am I. And what you're posting is currently part of this misinformation.

Do you stay queued or do you use zone chat?
When you group...ask everyone if they were queued or if they formed via chat.

It's unquestionably an issue around lack of participation. This gets worse as your character level raises

Honest question...if the tool just didn't work then no one would be grouped. Where do you think the ppl come from ?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Honest question...if the tool just didn't work then no one would be grouped. Where do you think the ppl come from ?

How do you not realize that something can work sometimes and still be broken?

If something isn't working correctly, it's still broken.

It is absolutely not "unquestionable" that it's a problem of participation just because you have convinced yourself that it is. What's unquestionable is the fact that there are literally thousands of players in the 15-20 range and some of them were using the group tool even if most weren't.

The fact that the queue didn't pop for 18 hours in this range speaks volumes.

This tool is just poor implementation. All of these "hit the button and random people are added to your group" LFG tools are just bad. They should have a system where you can put up a group for what you want to run and people apply to it and the leader can allow them in after talking to them. This system works much better and would be something that people are a lot more likely to use.

Even if the LFG is showing any signs of actually work, it is bad tool. We should have a proper LFM tool like in DDO. There group leads publish LFM and people can browse them. Publisher can set targets, level limits and a comment. It helps tremendously because it is player-driven system and not some bad code slapping random people together.

How can you ever use this LFG to form e.g. seven bosses runs, skyshard hunts in Cyrodiil or zombie grinds? These are things actually seen on zone chat and current LFG can't even deal with them.