Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
Haxnschwammer wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
Hey, that's a nice strawman there!
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.
thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.
thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game
How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?
Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.
thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game
How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?
read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.
So stop being lacy and do the content
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.
thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game
How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?
read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.
So stop being lacy and do the content
Right I get you now
Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.
Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.
thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game
How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?
read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.
So stop being lacy and do the content
Right I get you now
Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.
I know, IT STILL TAKES ONLY TWO DAYS !!!!!! go play single player games instead of u cant take that you have to play the content to get what u need....
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.
thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game
How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?
read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.
So stop being lacy and do the content
Right I get you now
Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.
I know, IT STILL TAKES ONLY TWO DAYS !!!!!! go play single player games instead of u cant take that you have to play the content to get what u need....
Collecting the shards in one zone once you enter takes 20min tops so it would still only take 2DAYS. I am failing to see your point.
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Haxnschwammer wrote: »People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.
Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.
So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.
All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.
thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game
How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?
read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.
So stop being lacy and do the content
Right I get you now
Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.
I know, IT STILL TAKES ONLY TWO DAYS !!!!!! go play single player games instead of u cant take that you have to play the content to get what u need....
Collecting the shards in one zone once you enter takes 20min tops so it would still only take 2DAYS. I am failing to see your point.
Powtreeman wrote: »I made a new character to try out another class in PvP but the biggest thing that pushed me away was how hard I worked for skyshards and how much work I would have to put in just to get into Cyrodiil and keep up with other players.
I think it should be shared to characters on the same account based on faction. (For traitors and spies)
I do not feel the same way about lorebooks due to it leveling the mage guild and people abusing meteor.
And it would not make as big a difference as champion points do to new players.
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »NO!
I really don't get the appeal of skipping the game content to just run a handful of vet dungeons over and over or move in stop motion to the sound of falling meteors.
1-50 is essentially a single player game with co-op kinda like farcry 4
Go play farcry 4 8 times collecting every single collectable see how far you get before you say sod this.
Looking at my save game history I played at least 8 150+ hours characters through Skyrim plus half a dozen through the DA & ME games - one of the great values of a game with so much content is that you can play it through m,multiple times in various ways.
That's my point you can't in eso.
You can make new classes but the quests are all the same the shards are all in the same place and so are the books. You do exactly the same thing over and over again there's no variation when it comes from going from 1-50.
In the games you mention you have multiple paths to get to the end. As for skyrim you can spend 150+ on one play through.