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Should Skyshards be shared on new characters?

  • AngryNord
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    Yeah I mean, why play the game at all? Everyone should just start at v14 With 1500 CP and Emperor status right away, huh?
  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    AngryNord wrote: »
    Yeah I mean, why play the game at all? Everyone should just start at v14 With 1500 CP and Emperor status right away, huh?

    Why do people bother with these stupid straw man arguments that won't fool anybody
  • Haxnschwammer
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    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.
    Once I was a healer. Then I took a Wrobel to the knee.

    PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.
  • Tandor
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    No, I run a full complement of characters and want them to do everything for themselves, otherwise it would diminish the fun in running them.
  • Haxnschwammer
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    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    Hey, that's a nice strawman there!
    Once I was a healer. Then I took a Wrobel to the knee.

    PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    Hey, that's a nice strawman there!

    You don't know what a straw man argument is do you.

    Nothing I said was misinformation nor did try to use misinformation to con people who are not informed on the situation.

    Keep trying though.
  • Haxnschwammer
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    Now it's an angry straw man. Keep trying though.
    Once I was a healer. Then I took a Wrobel to the knee.

    PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
  • NewBlacksmurf
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    Well my first thought was no BuT now I'm thinking this
    No if the characters are within the same faction but yes if the account has players from different factions OR players who've completed silver and gold quests.

    That's fair
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  • Takhistis
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    How... how do people even fit 150 points in their build? I don't really get any further than 90-100... That;s without fighter/mage/undaunted passives
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  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    Takhistis wrote: »
    How... how do people even fit 150 points in their build? I don't really get any further than 90-100... That;s without fighter/mage/undaunted passives

    Crafting takes up a lot too.
  • Artemiisia
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    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this
  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

  • Artemiisia
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    Pve players and pvp players wont have to do any of the content they dont prefer either, which again aint what this game is about, I have 291 skill points on my main, and I still vote NO
    Edited by Artemiisia on April 10, 2015 10:39AM
  • pema
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    Please stop requesting these things. Play the game as intended... no privliges no skipping stuff... play it as intended.
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  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?
  • Hexi
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    No.

    While we're at it, why not have all lorebooks too? And Wayshrines unlocked? In fact, let's have everything complete and just give the exp you get from doing every quest, dolmen, boss, dungeon etc from the get go!

    Yeah, let's all go play mobas!
  • Artemiisia
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?

    read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.

    So stop being lacy and do the content
  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?

    read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.

    So stop being lacy and do the content

    Right I get you now

    Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.

  • Artemiisia
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?

    read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.

    So stop being lacy and do the content

    Right I get you now

    Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.

    I know, IT STILL TAKES ONLY TWO DAYS !!!!!! go play single player games instead of u cant take that you have to play the content to get what u need....
  • liammozzb16_ESO
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?

    read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.

    So stop being lacy and do the content

    Right I get you now

    Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.

    I know, IT STILL TAKES ONLY TWO DAYS !!!!!! go play single player games instead of u cant take that you have to play the content to get what u need....

    Collecting the shards in one zone once you enter takes 20min tops so it would still only take 2DAYS. I am failing to see your point.
  • Keron
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?

    read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.

    So stop being lacy and do the content

    Right I get you now

    Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.

    I know, IT STILL TAKES ONLY TWO DAYS !!!!!! go play single player games instead of u cant take that you have to play the content to get what u need....

    Collecting the shards in one zone once you enter takes 20min tops so it would still only take 2DAYS. I am failing to see your point.

    Sure you are failing.

    But on topic, you need to kill Molag Bal to get access to the Cadwell's Silver shards and complete that to get access to the Cadwell's Gold shards. And you have to reach Vet1 to access the Craglorn shards.

    None of that is required to build up a low level alt that can actually use most of those sky shard skill points to significantly imbalance for example the non vet PvP or all PvE content up to and including Molag Bal.
    Edited by Keron on April 10, 2015 10:56AM
  • Jroc
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    People who don't want to take part in a game shouldn't get the benefits. Champion points are a time sink meant to need years. So account wide is OK for me. Skyshards can be collected in a day, so there is no need to share them. Also I don't want level 1 chars with 100 skill points from start.

    A lvl one char will 100 skill points is your problem? Please tell me how many skill points the level can apply to his skills at level 1? You need to level your skills before you can put the points on them.

    Go away with the stupid straw man arguments please.

    I can level all crafts in one day on a lvl 1 if I had the skill points, ill just use my main char to craft the needed gear/armor for decon and such. After that with a couple days of leveling to lvl 50 I would have all I need to fill all my passives and 4 weapon types with just grinding mobs.

    So yeah NO to shared skill points, it easy lacy play wanting this

    Coming from a MMO where I never had to fight a single mob to level up crafting I don't see the harm in it.

    All the toon can do is craft. He could never go out into the wild to collect mats. So if you wanted to collect mats to you would have to have another high level toon with skills in crafting to spot the mats easily.

    thats just the crafting part, the gear/armors/passives would all be unlocked at lvl 50 with 2 days of grinding, thats lacy play and beats the purpous of a mmo game where its a marathon and not a sprint, its not like a single player game

    How are you getting to lvl 50 if your not going out and killing stuff? You don't get level xp from crafting do you?

    read what im writting m8, I wrote I could just grind = standing at one spot killing trash mobs, that takes 2 days to lvl to lvl 50, and thats without having to run around getting the skyshards.

    So stop being lacy and do the content

    Right I get you now

    Nope you would still have to move around to diffrent zones to continue to get xp. Once you out level a zone you don't get xp any more.

    I know, IT STILL TAKES ONLY TWO DAYS !!!!!! go play single player games instead of u cant take that you have to play the content to get what u need....

    Collecting the shards in one zone once you enter takes 20min tops so it would still only take 2DAYS. I am failing to see your point.

    The point is you should have to put in the two days to deserve the skillpoints. You don't deserve them just by getting them once already on a different alt. It doesn't matter if it's not fun it's meant to be a time/effort sink in order to achieve the skillpoints and that's exactly what it is.
    It's all good Bollywood
  • Chufu
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    Powtreeman wrote: »
    I made a new character to try out another class in PvP but the biggest thing that pushed me away was how hard I worked for skyshards and how much work I would have to put in just to get into Cyrodiil and keep up with other players.

    I think it should be shared to characters on the same account based on faction. (For traitors and spies)

    I do not feel the same way about lorebooks due to it leveling the mage guild and people abusing meteor.
    And it would not make as big a difference as champion points do to new players.

    What's the sense of this request?

    Do you really just want to level up and when you are VR 14 you have nothing to do, because all your achievments are shared with the other characters. This would be boring, wouldn't it?

    I think it's a small kick of motivation to see the pop-up of an achievement.

    In my opinion: If you want somethin, you always have to do something for it!

  • Rune_Relic
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    NO!

    I really don't get the appeal of skipping the game content to just run a handful of vet dungeons over and over or move in stop motion to the sound of falling meteors.

    1-50 is essentially a single player game with co-op kinda like farcry 4

    Go play farcry 4 8 times collecting every single collectable see how far you get before you say sod this.

    Looking at my save game history I played at least 8 150+ hours characters through Skyrim plus half a dozen through the DA & ME games - one of the great values of a game with so much content is that you can play it through m,multiple times in various ways.

    That's my point you can't in eso.

    You can make new classes but the quests are all the same the shards are all in the same place and so are the books. You do exactly the same thing over and over again there's no variation when it comes from going from 1-50.

    In the games you mention you have multiple paths to get to the end. As for skyrim you can spend 150+ on one play through.

    You cannot level every skill tree 1-50.
    Even if you did....you still need the shards to allow it.
    The idea is 1-50 is where you CHOOSE your trees /attributes and define your character.

    What you are asking for is to let people level all skill trees by the tie they hit 50.
    Where is the uniqueness and player identity..especially if everyone finds certain skills are better than others ?

    There is not enough skyshards available to level all skills for a very good reason.
    If it was my choice I would make their scarcity even higher to force even more unique builds.
    That's on the pretense all skills have parity of course or you end up with FOTM builds left right and center.
    Anything that can be exploited will be exploited
  • TheShadowScout
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    NO!

    I am getting a little tired of the "gimme" crowd wanting -everything- to be account wide, just so they can save time when making alternate characters...
    Want something for your alt? Play for it on your alt.
    It's enough that we now have account wide champoin points, and dyes. I see no reason whatsoever for account wide skyshards, achievements, alliance rank, etc.
  • Elebeth
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    By all means, why don't we just merge all races, classes, levels, ranks and everything else in one big blob? And why don't we make special "Items UI" where you will perma unlock every item you pick up for your whole account? -.-

    The Elder Scrolls Online: Casuals Unlimited

    Following the logic of some people here, selling max level characters and skill point/CP potions in Crown store is pure convenience, zero P2W.

    Systems created to track progression of individual characters should stay what they are and systems created to track account progression should also stay what and how they are.

    With very forgiving re-spec system in this game and the fact that you can (almost) be what you want with every class there is no need to roll multiple characters if you think you can't do it.
    "I don't recall using teleportation, and yet there I was. Alone. Naked." Morrowind
  • Aett_Thorn
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    Since I don't want to just leave a one word answer here, I have written this past sentence to justify my answer of, "No!"
  • Milktray
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    Lets just make every character we ever make .. GOD

    MMO's used to be where you ACTUALLY put the effort in on EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER
    ZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing
  • Powtreeman
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    Many people are misunderstanding this.
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