Do you like the current guild-based trading system?
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liammozzb16_ESO✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
Hahahaha the first post after mine just goes to show you what I mean.
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Ketta✭✭✭No, I hate it and want a global auction house.I'm definitely in favor of a global system, but I also favor the benefits of joining guilds, and one of those should have to do with selling on a global market. Lower listing fees/commissions, ranking benefits, and other perks could make belonging to guilds more appealing.
I would even be in favor of tweaking the current system as long as it meant that markets were made more available/accessible to the entire population in the game. As it stands now, both buyers and sellers are incredibly restricted by several factors, and this is bad for both the player base and for ESO.
Thanks for putting up this poll.
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tallenn✭✭✭No, I hate it and want a global auction house.
It could also be read as 22% in favor of the current system, while 68% want some level of change to it.
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
Regardless, it needs at least 100 times as many participants to even make it out of the "statistically meaningless" category. Currently, the sample size is far too low to infer ANYTHING.1 -
Victus✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.I will qualify this with the need for a better guild store interface. I use AwesomeGuildStore, but the vanilla guild store UI is pretty bad when you are going around looking for something specific.
QFT. Interface could use some tweaking, but how it is set up I am enjoying more and more.
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arena25✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.I have to vote "yes". To all you "no" people, allow me to explain:
Remember, you can join up to 5 guilds. And in addition, some guilds actively recruit even passersby. I can't go a regular day on ESO without getting at least 3 different guild invites. Just because one guild is milking the membership doesn't mean others don't. That's why we have 5 guild allowance. Oh, and if you don't like guilds because they are milking the membership, you can always create your own and milk the membership yourself (although that tends to get on people's bad side).
As far as a global auction house, I can see it, but I guarantee you it will probably be turned into a gold sink like Trion ended up doing for RIFTs auction house.
Also, where is the "I don't care" option or a general "No, but I don't hate it" or a general "Yea, but I don't love it" option. Bias, much?If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!0 -
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✭No, I hate it and want a global auction house.Because I can't stand wasting an hour of precious game time searching multiple stores.
And addons are why they haven't changed the interface/fixed stacking/etc too I might add (yes I use them, I'm not anti-addon) However, addons promote dev laziness.
Edit: Also the most vocal anti-AH are *almost* always connected to a large trade guild in a good spot. Which who are we kidding, they just want to protect their guild(s). But the current system is completely unfair to those that can't afford prime traders, forcing players to try to get into a select few. Global AH won't crash the game's economy, just their economy having to compete.Edited by Psychobunni on April 9, 2015 8:43PMIf options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!2 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.
It could also be read as 22% in favor of the current system, while 68% want some level of change to it.
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
Regardless, it needs at least 100 times as many participants to even make it out of the "statistically meaningless" category. Currently, the sample size is far too low to infer ANYTHING.
Sure you can, but the question is simple. Do you like it? There are two options for Yes. Whether or not improvement is part of one of them, it answers the question with a Yes. Then there are two options for No, and another option for people that just don't care.
You also do not understand the idea of a sample poll. This is exactly what you get during political election seasons. They will ask any number of people a question then display the results. Often times samples are just a simple picture of how people feel. It's not the exact picture with the fine details, but it is something to work with.
With a lot of stuff done nationwide, they tend to ask 1,000 people a question. The news does this a lot. The thing is, there isn't 318 million people playing this game, so we can actually settle for a smaller sample. Even if we go with a single state that, let's say around an average of 5 million people live in, and they do 1,000... still by comparison we can settle for a much smaller sample size.Edited by Thymos on April 9, 2015 8:45PMThe Older Gamers Recruitment Thread
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✭✭✭✭✭As far as the current system goes, I could take it or leave it. Trading is not a big part of the game for me.
Not really, since I'm pretty neutral in this debate and just pointing out where the numbers were sitting at one particular point in time... I wasn't drawing any conclusions from it.liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
Hahahaha the first post after mine just goes to show you what I mean.
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liammozzb16_ESO✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.
It could also be read as 22% in favor of the current system, while 68% want some level of change to it.
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
Regardless, it needs at least 100 times as many participants to even make it out of the "statistically meaningless" category. Currently, the sample size is far too low to infer ANYTHING.
Sure you can, but the question is simple. Do you like it? There are two options for Yes. Whether or not improvement is part of one of them, it answers the question with a Yes. Then there are two options for No, and another option for people that just don't care.
You also do not understand the idea of a sample poll. This is exactly what you get during political election seasons. They will ask any number of people a question then display the results. Often times samples are just a simple picture of how people feel. It's not the exact picture with the fine details, but it is something to work with.
It's nothing to work with its not a fair representation of the community as a whole unless you get a few thousand votes everything in this poll is meaningless and does more damage to the debate than good.
Those sample polls you talk about ask 100's of thousands of people to try to get a sample view.0 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »
It could also be read as 22% in favor of the current system, while 68% want some level of change to it.
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
Regardless, it needs at least 100 times as many participants to even make it out of the "statistically meaningless" category. Currently, the sample size is far too low to infer ANYTHING.
Sure you can, but the question is simple. Do you like it? There are two options for Yes. Whether or not improvement is part of one of them, it answers the question with a Yes. Then there are two options for No, and another option for people that just don't care.
You also do not understand the idea of a sample poll. This is exactly what you get during political election seasons. They will ask any number of people a question then display the results. Often times samples are just a simple picture of how people feel. It's not the exact picture with the fine details, but it is something to work with.
It's nothing to work with its not a fair representation of the community as a whole unless you get a few thousand votes everything in this poll is meaningless and does more damage to the debate than good.
Those sample polls you talk about ask 100's of thousands of people to try to get a sample view.
http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm#one
Try going there... I gave it about a 5% margin of error where people are 95% sure of their choice.... we need just about 384 votes with an assumed population of 1 million.
The funny thing is, that you guys are going to argue this point about a video game. Not enough people polled. Heck, I even saw someone throw out there that less than 15% of the players even come on here. I wonder where that number came from?Edited by Thymos on April 9, 2015 8:50PMThe Older Gamers Recruitment Thread
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liammozzb16_ESO✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »
It could also be read as 22% in favor of the current system, while 68% want some level of change to it.
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
Regardless, it needs at least 100 times as many participants to even make it out of the "statistically meaningless" category. Currently, the sample size is far too low to infer ANYTHING.
Sure you can, but the question is simple. Do you like it? There are two options for Yes. Whether or not improvement is part of one of them, it answers the question with a Yes. Then there are two options for No, and another option for people that just don't care.
You also do not understand the idea of a sample poll. This is exactly what you get during political election seasons. They will ask any number of people a question then display the results. Often times samples are just a simple picture of how people feel. It's not the exact picture with the fine details, but it is something to work with.
It's nothing to work with its not a fair representation of the community as a whole unless you get a few thousand votes everything in this poll is meaningless and does more damage to the debate than good.
Those sample polls you talk about ask 100's of thousands of people to try to get a sample view.
http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm#one
Try going there... I gave it about a 5% margin of error where people are 95% sure of their choice.... we need just about 384 votes with an assumed population of 1 million.
There is no possible way 384 people can give an accurate view of what 1million people think.0 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.Go take a statistics class, and you will see that this equation is used all of the time for generating sample polls. It really is just like this in the real world.Edited by Thymos on April 9, 2015 8:54PMThe Older Gamers Recruitment Thread
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liammozzb16_ESO✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.Go take a statistics class, and you will see that this equation is used all of the time for generating sample polls. It really is just like this in the real world.
Well then might as well scrap vote in the general elections then just grab 25,000 off the street and use what they say. It's the same as 67 million people voting and would save the tax payer a lot of money.
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Knight150✭✭✭No, I hate it and want a global auction house.Current system is restrictive and a waste of time.0 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.@liammozzb16_ESO You admitted that the whole playerbase doesn't even come on here. Well the whole population doesn't vote. All of them under 18 cannot vote, and even still not all of those eligible do vote. Generally 40% of the eligible voters vote during midterms, while 60% show up at the polls during presidential elections. (I voted to raise taxes btw).
Let's retrace some steps. I say we use the actual numbers that you have introduced into this whole argument. 150,000 copies are sold on steam. Remember, these are your numbers, not mine.
With 150,000, and a confidence interval of 10% error... we only need 96 people to vote for a sample that will have a 10% error margin.
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✭✭✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.
And while we're throwing around percentages, at the moment 53% of people replying to the poll are in favour of the current system, while 38% are opposed to it. Even though I'm fine with the current system (and I largely don't care about the in-game economy anyway) I'm honestly surprised it isn't more even.Wow, 45% of the posts are about the poll and not the subject of the poll........
Just thought I would point that out.
A clear majority of those in favour of the present system want to see its functionality improved.1 -
liammozzb16_ESO✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.@liammozzb16_ESO You admitted that the whole playerbase doesn't even come on here. Well the whole population doesn't vote. All of them under 18 cannot vote, and even still not all of those eligible do vote. Generally 40% of the eligible voters vote during midterms, while 60% show up at the polls during presidential elections. (I voted to raise taxes btw).
Let's retrace some steps. I say we use the actual numbers that you have introduced into this whole argument. 150,000 copies are sold on steam. Remember, these are your numbers, not mine.
With 150,000, and a confidence interval of 10% error... we only need 96 people to vote for a sample that will have a 10% error margin.
And like I said bollocks, 96 people can't show what 150,000 people want. Your going of statistical data that also says flip a coin 100 times and it will be 50 heads and 50 tails, sorry but reality doesn't work like that.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.
Also, where is the "I don't care" option or a general "No, but I don't hate it" or a general "Yea, but I don't love it" option. Bias, much?
Bottom option in the poll - "I could take it or leave it".0 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭No, I hate it and want a global auction house.Current system blows chunks and needs to go the way of the dodo.
No player should have to join a guild to effectively sell their unwanted goods to other players.
No player should be forced to hock their stuff in /ZONE CHAT/ simply because they don't want to join a guild.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.1 -
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✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.The only thing I'd like to see, is if they ever add player housing is the ability to get a personal trader on the porch, like in DAOC1 -
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✭Yes, I love it but would like to see more buying/selling functionality in the current system.Off the top of my head, the only thing I would change, would be to add the ability to see the search results of all 5 of your guild stores at once and that's just because I'm lazy. I'm pretty happy with the current system and I'm glad that gold doesn't play as big of a part in this game as it does in some other games. I don't like the feeling that I must farm or work the auction house for months to buy items that make me competitive. If i want to buy something, with the current trading system, I can usually make enough money for it within a couple days, with minimal effort.Leylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade1 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system./liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »@liammozzb16_ESO You admitted that the whole playerbase doesn't even come on here. Well the whole population doesn't vote. All of them under 18 cannot vote, and even still not all of those eligible do vote. Generally 40% of the eligible voters vote during midterms, while 60% show up at the polls during presidential elections. (I voted to raise taxes btw).
Let's retrace some steps. I say we use the actual numbers that you have introduced into this whole argument. 150,000 copies are sold on steam. Remember, these are your numbers, not mine.
With 150,000, and a confidence interval of 10% error... we only need 96 people to vote for a sample that will have a 10% error margin.
And like I said bollocks, 96 people can't show what 150,000 people want. Your going of statistical data that also says flip a coin 100 times and it will be 50 heads and 50 tails, sorry but reality doesn't work like that.
Statistics based on opinions are completely different than recorded statistics of something that may happen. So please, enlighten me how flipping a coin is related to people's opinion on this system? Do people just flip a coin when they wanted to know how they felt?
If we did take your analogy, flipping a coin would have a 100% margin of error. As it is something that we have no control over the outcome. I can't attempt to convince the coin that to flip tails.Edited by Thymos on April 9, 2015 9:20PMThe Older Gamers Recruitment Thread
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✭✭✭✭✭As far as the current system goes, I could take it or leave it. Trading is not a big part of the game for me.
I do, but that's because I'm secretly a robot and have no feelings of my own.Do people just flip a coin when they wanted to know how they felt?
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liammozzb16_ESO✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house./liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »@liammozzb16_ESO You admitted that the whole playerbase doesn't even come on here. Well the whole population doesn't vote. All of them under 18 cannot vote, and even still not all of those eligible do vote. Generally 40% of the eligible voters vote during midterms, while 60% show up at the polls during presidential elections. (I voted to raise taxes btw).
Let's retrace some steps. I say we use the actual numbers that you have introduced into this whole argument. 150,000 copies are sold on steam. Remember, these are your numbers, not mine.
With 150,000, and a confidence interval of 10% error... we only need 96 people to vote for a sample that will have a 10% error margin.
And like I said bollocks, 96 people can't show what 150,000 people want. Your going of statistical data that also says flip a coin 100 times and it will be 50 heads and 50 tails, sorry but reality doesn't work like that.
Statistics based on opinions are completely different than recorded statistics of something that may happen. So please, enlighten me how flipping a coin is related to people's opinion on this system? Do people just flip a coin when they wanted to know how they felt?
If we did take your analogy, flipping a coin would have a 100% margin of error. As it is something that we have no control over the outcome. I can't attempt to convince the coin that to flip tails.
Actually the statistics for flipping a coin are 49% one way 51% the other with a small margin of error.
The point being you can't ask a tiny proportion a question an expect it to be accurate. There's a huge chance of the whole 96 liking the same thing.0 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.A huge chance? How much of a chance? 99% likely that 96 people share the same opinion? No matter how random they were selected?
And you're telling me probability, not statistics with the percentage you gave me.
There is no probability of what people already voted in this poll. 96 of 150,000 will only have a 10% chance of being wrong. You want a 5% chance of the poll being wrong, then go up to 383 people. It's just how it works.Edited by Thymos on April 9, 2015 9:32PMThe Older Gamers Recruitment Thread
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liammozzb16_ESO✭✭✭No, I hate it and I want major changes to the current system but I don't want a global auction house.A huge chance? How much of a chance? 99% likely that 96 people share the same opinion? No matter how random they were selected?
And you're telling me probability, not statistics with the percentage you gave me.
Depends where you go asking doesn't it.
On a forum where we don't know what % of the community use it. The chances of you getting a reasonable cross slice is slim.
If you want to use statistics look at it this way. You have
Yes
No
I don't care
Even split between the three
You have a 1 in 4 chance of getting an even vote on this forum.0 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.Please enlighten me of these chances, at least I used some numbers. Even numbers that you presented. Are you saying those numbers wont give an accurate opinion? Much like how people feel screwed over by the current system?
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Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭I refuse to vote. This is an issue that is too complicated to really wrap my mind about so I don't really know what to think.0 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I love it and I don't want ZOS to touch the current system.I refuse to vote. This is an issue that is too complicated to really wrap my mind about so I don't really know what to think.
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GaldorP✭✭✭✭✭Only love or hate option? O_O
I don't think the current system is ideal but I don't hate it either.
If you're in a guild with a good guild trader it works very well for selling items.
Whenever I need to buy a rare item though I have better chances to find it in zonechat (something like a rare PvP set item) or I need to check many different guild traders in various zones which leads to a lot of loading screen time (for example when I'm looking for a specific low level provisioning recipe).
I personally wouldn't mind a global auction house with some limitations. I don't want the game to turn into an auction house simulator either (Diablo 3 auction house was terrible and people spent more time in the auction house than actually playing the game ><).
I always liked the system where each player could set up their own shop that was in many Korean grinder MMOGs Ideally you could set up a shop in any location on a main map and keep your shop up while you continue playing or log out. To change what items you are selling you need to return to your shop. If you want to set it up in a new location you need to close your old shop first. New skill line that allows you to sell more items and add some benefits to trading
Or... just allow everyone to use all guild traders (Only a total of 50 items among all guild traders can be sold at a time.) Of course, this would require a UI update so you can check which items you are currently selling at which trader. Edited by GaldorP on April 9, 2015 9:51PM0