Would anyone like to know why AD and DC constantly lose?

Zyle · April 2015

CMG138 wrote: »

Because when you team up you're missing out on half of the potential AP. It's really as simple as that.

Should be:

CMG138 wrote: »

Lag & Pop Cap

Satiar · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

The hate gets so strong you can't even acknowledge good players anymore. This is why we can't have nice things.

But hey, it's EPs responsibility to say good fight, or something

Good sportsmanship starts with the individual. It's not always returned or appreciated, but it is its own reward.

More GG, less QQ, makes the game a better place to be.

Naturally, but it's a two-way street.

I have found many opposing leaders to be amiable, and I enjoy having friendly relations with them. Good for PvP, says I. But there's only so much you can do with people who respond to anything with insults or accusations of cheating . It's just poor sportsmanship and ain't no one got time for that. I think these forums show there's plenty of people willing to blame anything and everything on EP groups, straight to accusations of malicious cheating/hacking/lagging, whatever. It's a toxic atmosphere and it frankly isn't on anyone to fix but the people spreading it.

I'm not going to GG or GF people calling me a cheater to my face. You've run in my groups, you know what we're about. Why would we have any interest in engaging with people like that?

Plenty of good sports out there (some blue groups especially, Prett and Pain in the Axe always good for post-combat ERP!) but the sheer amount of nonsense spreading about just ruins it for everyone.

Jauriel · April 2015

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

The hate gets so strong you can't even acknowledge good players anymore. This is why we can't have nice things.

But hey, it's EPs responsibility to say good fight, or something

Good sportsmanship starts with the individual. It's not always returned or appreciated, but it is its own reward.

More GG, less QQ, makes the game a better place to be.

Naturally, but it's a two-way street.

I have found many opposing leaders to be amiable, and I enjoy having friendly relations with them. Good for PvP, says I. But there's only so much you can do with people who respond to anything with insults or accusations of cheating . It's just poor sportsmanship and ain't no one got time for that. I think these forums show there's plenty of people willing to blame anything and everything on EP groups, straight to accusations of malicious cheating/hacking/lagging, whatever. It's a toxic atmosphere and it frankly isn't on anyone to fix but the people spreading it.

I'm not going to GG or GF people calling me a cheater to my face. You've run in my groups, you know what we're about. Why would we have any interest in engaging with people like that?

Plenty of good sports out there (some blue groups especially, Prett and Pain in the Axe always good for post-combat ERP!) but the sheer amount of nonsense spreading about just ruins it for everyone.

I know you're a legitimate player. I've never seen Vehemence act in anything other than a reputable way that is within the ToS. Trust me, if I had seen something, I'd be the first person to report it. I have zero patience or tolerance for cheating in any form.

The unqualified accusations of cheating just have to be ignored. The trolls, the butthurt, and the instigators are best forgotten. They're meaningless. I'm well aware of the monster that is the game of Telephone that happened with the story of 'recruiting people in zone to lag the server', as I know, precisely, what originally happened (and it's not what's portrayed on this forum by a longshot). It was a hotshot with a big mouth being a moron by thinking he was cute and funny with a sarcastic prank in /zone. Said individual knows I think he was a moron for doing it, and he has admitted it was a stupid idea and not actually funny.

As much as it sucks, sometimes you have to suck it up. I have a loooooooot of people on my /ignore list both in game and in these forums. My gaming and forum reading experience is better due to it.

In the end, ZOS's server code sucks. And there are a lot of things that exacerbate the issue. Do I believe anyone does it intentionally? No. Do I believe that large guild pain trains can make it worse? Unquestionably.

Satiar · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

Winnamine · April 2015

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

The hate gets so strong you can't even acknowledge good players anymore. This is why we can't have nice things.

But hey, it's EPs responsibility to say good fight, or something

Good sportsmanship starts with the individual. It's not always returned or appreciated, but it is its own reward.

More GG, less QQ, makes the game a better place to be.

Naturally, but it's a two-way street.

I have found many opposing leaders to be amiable, and I enjoy having friendly relations with them. Good for PvP, says I. But there's only so much you can do with people who respond to anything with insults or accusations of cheating . It's just poor sportsmanship and ain't no one got time for that. I think these forums show there's plenty of people willing to blame anything and everything on EP groups, straight to accusations of malicious cheating/hacking/lagging, whatever. It's a toxic atmosphere and it frankly isn't on anyone to fix but the people spreading it.

I'm not going to GG or GF people calling me a cheater to my face. You've run in my groups, you know what we're about. Why would we have any interest in engaging with people like that?

Plenty of good sports out there (some blue groups especially, Prett and Pain in the Axe always good for post-combat ERP!) but the sheer amount of nonsense spreading about just ruins it for everyone.

I agree about the lag finger pointing.
I do think certain groups cause it more than others, but I would attribute that to a play style that is harder on the servers rather than to an intent to cheat/hack/lagsploit/whatever.

If it makes you feel any better, most big, good, or god forbid big and good groups have been accused of that stuff.

Basically, if you run a decent size group, you cause lag, if you run a lot of AOE (which is the most effective way to run), you cause lag, if you do both, you cause a lot of lag.

Players on the opposing faction tend to notice that, at the same time as they may be noticing that you just zerged them down/ wrecked them, and they draw some logical, if inaccurate, conclusions. And of course, there are ways to use the lag to your advantage, and some players/groups are not above doing so, which adds a nice element of motive to the lagsploit theories.

Players who stupidly troll about it publicly just add to the controversy, I've had to tell a few people in our groups to shut up because today's sarcastic, "Alright everyone, now jump on the flag and LAG!" is tomorrow's "Proof Decibel intentionally lags the servers!" forum post.

RadioheadSh0t · April 2015

Draxys wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

I was looking around Thorn a little this weekend (and espousing my manifesto in zone chat a bit) and EP's really... not what it used to be. I remember a machine with multiple guilds working in tandem to achieve a goal. Hijinx and PR and Pride and IR and Vokundein all working and talking to each other to guard this keep, hit that keep, protect choke points, etc. Now... There's a lot of warm bodies but the organization seems to have scattered.

Oh, and an awful lot of smack talk about EP "owning" Thornblade.

I remember that type of crap getting sent in /tells to me about Bloodthorn ("get off our server, scrub" "you'll never be emperor." "we're calling in everyone to dethrone you" "just stop logging in and go away" "we don't want competition we want you gone" were some of the nicer ones). Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

WTB Dawnbreaker

God I miss Dawnbreaker 2.0. Still to this day some of my favorite PvP memories, and the most balanced, competitive, and sportsmanlike battles on a consistent basis that I've had.

Domander · April 2015

Earendal wrote: »

They win on their buff servers.

This.

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

I was looking around Thorn a little this weekend (and espousing my manifesto in zone chat a bit) and EP's really... not what it used to be. I remember a machine with multiple guilds working in tandem to achieve a goal. Hijinx and PR and Pride and IR and Vokundein all working and talking to each other to guard this keep, hit that keep, protect choke points, etc. Now... There's a lot of warm bodies but the organization seems to have scattered.

Oh, and an awful lot of smack talk about EP "owning" Thornblade.

I remember that type of crap getting sent in /tells to me about Bloodthorn ("get off our server, scrub" "you'll never be emperor." "we're calling in everyone to dethrone you" "just stop logging in and go away" "we don't want competition we want you gone" were some of the nicer ones). Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

WTB Dawnbreaker

God I miss Dawnbreaker 2.0. Still to this day some of my favorite PvP memories, and the most balanced, competitive, and sportsmanlike battles on a consistent basis that I've had.

My favorite memory of Dawnbreaker --

DC held 5/6 inner keeps trying to crown Draq Ataq of Fengrush Inc. AD is totally embattled in Alessia trying to hold off the entire DC population.

Hijinx takes the Alessia farm behind blue as they are fighting and sieging along the walls. We race down the hill and go in through the breach just as the inner goes down and was proceed to plow back and forth through the DC force while AD provides support artillery fire from the top of the inner keep.

Just as the DC are respawning from a tent, we jump from the wall as a group and smash right into the resurgent DC force's face, killing Fengrush himself, and shove them right to the mine (where their tent was) and burn it while AD quickly repairs.

To this day I'll never forget Fengrush's quote: "Agrippa decided you weren't going to be Emperor today."

emma666 · April 2015

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

This needs it's own thread. Most accurate post i've seen maybe ever.

skarvika · April 2015

AD's dominating us (DC) in Chillrend. Dunno what you're talking about. They've got twice the points DC and EP have.

Huckdabuck · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

The hate gets so strong you can't even acknowledge good players anymore. This is why we can't have nice things.

But hey, it's EPs responsibility to say good fight, or something

Good sportsmanship starts with the individual. It's not always returned or appreciated, but it is its own reward.

More GG, less QQ, makes the game a better place to be.

Naturally, but it's a two-way street.

I have found many opposing leaders to be amiable, and I enjoy having friendly relations with them. Good for PvP, says I. But there's only so much you can do with people who respond to anything with insults or accusations of cheating . It's just poor sportsmanship and ain't no one got time for that. I think these forums show there's plenty of people willing to blame anything and everything on EP groups, straight to accusations of malicious cheating/hacking/lagging, whatever. It's a toxic atmosphere and it frankly isn't on anyone to fix but the people spreading it.

I'm not going to GG or GF people calling me a cheater to my face. You've run in my groups, you know what we're about. Why would we have any interest in engaging with people like that?

Plenty of good sports out there (some blue groups especially, Prett and Pain in the Axe always good for post-combat ERP!) but the sheer amount of nonsense spreading about just ruins it for everyone.

I agree about the lag finger pointing.
I do think certain groups cause it more than others, but I would attribute that to a play style that is harder on the servers rather than to an intent to cheat/hack/lagsploit/whatever.

If it makes you feel any better, most big, good, or god forbid big and good groups have been accused of that stuff.

Basically, if you run a decent size group, you cause lag, if you run a lot of AOE (which is the most effective way to run), you cause lag, if you do both, you cause a lot of lag.

Players on the opposing faction tend to notice that, at the same time as they may be noticing that you just zerged them down/ wrecked them, and they draw some logical, if inaccurate, conclusions. And of course, there are ways to use the lag to your advantage, and some players/groups are not above doing so, which adds a nice element of motive to the lagsploit theories.

Players who stupidly troll about it publicly just add to the controversy, I've had to tell a few people in our groups to shut up because today's sarcastic, "Alright everyone, now jump on the flag and LAG!" is tomorrow's "Proof Decibel intentionally lags the servers!" forum post.

@Jauriel ....read...comprehend...this.

Jauriel · April 2015

No thanks.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I'm seeing the same case happening on Azura's. When I asked for a few more seasoned EP guilds to help out, given the majority of EP on AS is sub-vet spillover from BWB. I didn't mean "come one come all arrogant *** guilds who let all of EP's keeps get taken while they hole up in Brindle and farm AP'. You get ap, xp, and gold bonus gains from holding your home keeps as well as enemy keeps and the inner ring. So to me it seems counter-productive to allow the enemy to just breeze on through your stuff because you want to set up a nice tower farm clear on the opposite side of the map. Yesterday EP were within seconds of crowning emp, and we lost ALL of our ring keeps in under an hour because almost 2/3 of the existing EP population refused to defend ANYTHING. We even lost Arrius and came close to losing Kings and our one scroll, and the only reason we persisted was because those do-nothings deigned to get off their asses and help defend the keep. You're not going to tell me that there's any valid reason why pop-locked EP should lose so much in such a short period of time to pop-locked DC, unless everyone and their mom are off doing delves or skyshard runs.

Another thing that really grates me is the utter lack of communication in zone chat. Yes I know people are worried about spies and the like, but information is not exclusive. There's no reason why players can't call out "oh hey I was picking herbs and I ran into a 20+ EP raid heading to our scroll keep" or "Hey I just arrived in BRK and there's 20 DC siege doing a 50/50". We lost Ash, Ales, Bleakers, Chalman. BRK, Sej, and Alessia almost back to back because absolutely no one saw fit to relay information, or even respond when it was called.

Which EP guilds came to AS? I know my guild (Pride of the Pact) homed there at 6pm CST yesterday and we (16-20 players) were the ones doing the emp push (fellow guildy was #1) only to watch it fail when Aleswell wasn't/couldn't be defended. As frustrating as it is to see happen.......I just don't see where your post is going to get anyone to want to communicate with you going forward! Those arrogant *** guilds have been there to assist emp pushes when called upon and correct me if I'm wrong but y'all probably have never crowned an emp without said guilds coming over to assist.....rub those ears and repeat after me....WUUUUUUSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Also....who are you so I can put a name to the toon.

That is not a guild I am familiar with. The guilds I'm referring to are traditionally 'competitive' Thorn guilds. These guilds tend to eschew any form of co-operation to focus entirely on AP farming for themselves. I observed the same behavior in Bloodmayne this evening when I got home from work. An entire raid just sitting with the scroll for the full expiration timer, they only finally ran it after it reset after 90 minutes. It's stupid behavior and yet it persists.

For example, I recall someone bragging last week that "oh well I've been in this camp 2 days and I'm already in the top 20" well of course you are. You're with your guild holding a scroll in the winery or barn for over an hour killing AD nublets while DC is scooping keeps out from under you. Its greed and apathy and it's stupid. This isn't limited to EP either, I've observed the same thing with AD. Part of the reason AD lost what should've been a healthy lead is because a group would stage tower farms repeatedly to no success other than allowing EP to ninja their keeps. A scant handful of people might benefit from such actions but the faction as a whole suffers because of it.

Oughash · April 2015

Satiar wrote: »

Naturally, but it's a two-way street.

Its not, actually. Sportsmanship is worthwhile in its own right, regardless of reciprocation. Its always best to ignore trolls and such -- or call them out.

LoM has spent the last week on Haderus fighting seeming unending hordes of AD. We had two full groups running against pop-locked yellow. We made a valiant effort at an emp push, getting to the point where we only had to cap BRK -- then we made a poor decision (splitting a superior force) which cost us ~10 minutes leaving EP enough time to burst and take Chal. After that it was sorta downhill. Zero lag all night. All I hope is that the AD pugs had the wherewithal to not cap every keep over night. That would be depressing.

Rook_Master · April 2015

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

I liked the part about members of havok quitting.

Leovolao · April 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

I liked the part about members of havok quitting.

Fingers crossed

Huckdabuck · April 2015

Leovolao wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

I liked the part about members of havok quitting.

Fingers crossed

@Leovolao

Gollum: [Sméagol is sobbing] Sméagol... Why does he cry, Sméagol?
Smeagol: tea pots hurts us. tea pots tricksed us.
Gollum: Of course he did. I told you he was tricksy. I told you he was false.
Smeagol: tea pots is our friend... our friend.
Gollum: tea pots betrayed us.
Smeagol: No, not it's business. Leave us alone.
Gollum: Filthy little tea potses. They stole it from us.
Smeagol: No... No.
Faramir: What did they steal?
Gollum: Myyy APPPPPPP.

Leovolao · April 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

I liked the part about members of havok quitting.

Fingers crossed

@Leovolao

Gollum: [Sméagol is sobbing] Sméagol... Why does he cry, Sméagol?
Smeagol: tea pots hurts us. tea pots tricksed us.
Gollum: Of course he did. I told you he was tricksy. I told you he was false.
Smeagol: tea pots is our friend... our friend.
Gollum: tea pots betrayed us.
Smeagol: No, not it's business. Leave us alone.
Gollum: Filthy little tea potses. They stole it from us.
Smeagol: No... No.
Faramir: What did they steal?
Gollum: Myyy APPPPPPP.

Oh dude, I died laughing last night. Pure awesomeness right there.

corx3 · April 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

I liked the part about members of havok quitting.

Why would you say that? People quitting the game is a bad, bad thing. I like this game.

cozmon3c_ESO · April 2015

corx3 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

I liked the part about members of havok quitting.

Why would you say that? People quitting the game is a bad, bad thing. I like this game.

they probably go sick of all the lag.........................that they were causing ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Bouvin · April 2015

What do you mean you lag out every time you encounter a certain group in Thornblade?

danno8 · April 2015

LonePirate wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

If last night is any indication, the days of Azura's Star NA being a DC (or AD) buff server may soon be coming to an end. The campaign scoreboard won't change during the last few days remaining in this cycle. However, next week's new campaign should see a much closer race.

The ONLY reason you can say this is because DC and Ad wised up and left and spread out to other campaigns. We took the initiative. Not you in ep. You all would happily stay holed up on your own buff map farming at the gates. So please. Just please.

I don't camp gates. Never have, never will. It's poor sportsmanship and I won't participate in it. I wasn't anywhere near the scroll-less AD or DC gates on Thorn all weekend. Yes, I will defend a keep if it was captured in order to grab a scroll; but it is not good for the game to take a gate keep if the scroll is already gone. And my guild is no longer homed on Thorn so your accusations need to be directed elsewhere.

Last time I was on Thorn, about 3 days ago, "Unknown Pointy Eared Character" and his band were camping the faction entry area. Not the scroll gates mind you, the area just outside of the starting area.

Ridiculous. He was Emp too.

Minnesinger · April 2015

The song is great by its own. With a little bit of imagination you could make it more fit in ESO. I think we all have right to like/ unlike some playstyles. There is no universal right style, but all can do wahetver they like. People shouldn´t be too thinskinned about criticism. Maybe some of it isn´t justified but there is always little bit to learn from it.

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Winnamine · April 2015

danno816_ESO wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

If last night is any indication, the days of Azura's Star NA being a DC (or AD) buff server may soon be coming to an end. The campaign scoreboard won't change during the last few days remaining in this cycle. However, next week's new campaign should see a much closer race.

The ONLY reason you can say this is because DC and Ad wised up and left and spread out to other campaigns. We took the initiative. Not you in ep. You all would happily stay holed up on your own buff map farming at the gates. So please. Just please.

I don't camp gates. Never have, never will. It's poor sportsmanship and I won't participate in it. I wasn't anywhere near the scroll-less AD or DC gates on Thorn all weekend. Yes, I will defend a keep if it was captured in order to grab a scroll; but it is not good for the game to take a gate keep if the scroll is already gone. And my guild is no longer homed on Thorn so your accusations need to be directed elsewhere.

Last time I was on Thorn, about 3 days ago, "Unknown Pointy Eared Character" and his band were camping the faction entry area. Not the scroll gates mind you, the area just outside of the starting area.

Ridiculous. He was Emp too.

High end pvp right there

You'd be surprised how much talent it takes for a large, organized guild with emp to farm pugs at their spawn point.

corx3 · April 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

corx3 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Satiar, what makes YOU so flat out insistent there are absolutely no players exploiting the lag and or causing it? Are you the all knowing, all seeing eye in the sky? Your certainty is bothersome to me. You can't possibly know for absolute certain *nobody* is playing dirty.

I know my group, so when I get called out for it I'm pretty certain there.

I run with Havoc when I can, some good friends there. I see them get accused of it when we're all without working skills, watching our friends log off in frustration because they can't freaking PVP. And then we get blamed for causing lag and purposely making the game unplayable.

And I can go on, if you want. It's just very frustrating to me when we get blamed for things we hate, for things we have lost friends over (good people quit over unplayable lag). We get blamed in stupid circumstances, when we're out numbered and can't use our siege to equalize, but somehow we wanted it to lag so we lose our scroll and can't fight back?

The hate is blind and freaking mindless. Some people say we Zerg so lag favors us, and we use it to take advantage. Some people say they have us dead to rights with bigger numbers but we used the lag to win with our smaller group. There's no winning with this line of thought.

I'm comfortable in speaking for the majority of organized EP when I say we want good fights and good fun. We like to win but lag is Not Fun. It is frustratimg, it is infuriating. I watch People come on here and blame groups and individuals for purposely lagging the game while I'm in their TS, watching those blamed individuals logging off in frustration over how in playable it is.

So whatevs. Tired of watching friends get blamed for nonsense.

I liked the part about members of havok quitting.

Why would you say that? People quitting the game is a bad, bad thing. I like this game.

they probably go sick of all the lag.........................that they were causing ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Apparently using abilities is the primary cause of lag. Note to self: stop using abilities

Rylana · April 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

What do you mean you lag out every time you encounter a certain group in Thornblade?

Was on thorn for raid night tonight and a funny thing happened.

It was basically our one guild with 2 24 man groups for yellow, vs the entire EP faction at most objectives. At some of them our 40-50 would encounter 60+ reds. There was no lag. How can this be? No lag on Thornblade.

Wat?

Then we picked up a scroll... and a certain group who was farming on Haderus dropped the scroll they were farming and came to thorn to defend their last 2 emp keeps.

As soon as they arrived, lag city. We lost most of the map, they must have gotten bored and left. We took the remaining 30 and stayed on for another few hours fighting about equal numbers... with again, no lag.

So my question is this, logically, what is the conclusion?

Where did this sudden lag come from? And why did it disappear? The only variable was that group.

rfennell_ESO · April 2015

Azura's star has been a nice lag free environment for a couple months now.

That is until this week when certain EP guilds showed up and everything is now a lagfest. Plenty of blue on yellow action for months prior and nothing like that happened.

Hi cheaters, how's it feel to have to cheat to not get annihilated?

Asteria2 · April 2015

Illuminati!

Hektlk · April 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

What do you mean you lag out every time you encounter a certain group in Thornblade?

Was on thorn for raid night tonight and a funny thing happened.

It was basically our one guild with 2 24 man groups for yellow, vs the entire EP faction at most objectives. At some of them our 40-50 would encounter 60+ reds. There was no lag. How can this be? No lag on Thornblade.

Wat?

Then we picked up a scroll... and a certain group who was farming on Haderus dropped the scroll they were farming and came to thorn to defend their last 2 emp keeps.

As soon as they arrived, lag city. We lost most of the map, they must have gotten bored and left. We took the remaining 30 and stayed on for another few hours fighting about equal numbers... with again, no lag.

So my question is this, logically, what is the conclusion?

Where did this sudden lag come from? And why did it disappear? The only variable was that group.

You guys had 72 people stacked in a tower (fire treb x72 LOL) spamming abilities like nobody's business. Yet our 12 man is responsible for the lag