Would anyone like to know why AD and DC constantly lose?

CMG138

Because when you team up you're missing out on half of the potential AP. It's really as simple as that.

AhPook_Is_Here

AP acquisition doesn't effect the scoreboard. It's even simpler than your argument.

Draxys

CMG138 wrote: »

Because when you team up you're missing out on half of the potential AP. It's really as simple as that.

this makes no sense... simple as that

CMG138

Then the points that you get from owning keeps, resources, and outposts. If you agree not to take certain ones, you lose out on points.

Agrippa_Invisus

Yo guys, just fyi:

Earendal

They win on their buff servers.

Huntler

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Yo guys, just fyi:

Don't even think its quite a troll, this guy is just salty he's getting #rekt.

Takllin

Nightcapping, that is why.

Like another person said as well, obvious troll is obvious.

cozmon3c_ESO

the difference is when Red Zerg Balls Happen, they lag out the server in there favor, every damn fight. when DC or AD group up stuff doesnt come to a halt of server death.

Agrippa_Invisus

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Yo guys, just fyi:

Don't even think its quite a troll, this guy is just salty he's getting #rekt.

There'll be some hate on for EP for a while, even if it's strategically illogical on some servers, but if it balances out the game after a while, that's fine.

Having EP be the only winner of major campaigns for six months straight isn't healthy for the environment and sustainability of the game and it needs to end.

Thornblade turning into a red version of Auriel's Bow is.... disgusting... to me.

Minnesinger

What is the story of variuous EP folks talking what way to play. As if zerging in Thorn has make them professors of pvp. Best they have done is play in their most populated campaign. Not even sure if they have advocated to the win. Should make a low level EP toon to claim I know how to win. Yet anyone who has played in Thorn know what you do there to win. Not a big fan of Thorn nor EP there.

Huntler

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Yo guys, just fyi:

Don't even think its quite a troll, this guy is just salty he's getting #rekt.

Thornblade turning into a red version of Auriel's Bow is.... disgusting... to me.

That was inevitable once a few guilds started to slink away from thorn because it was day in day out unplayable lag, many of us found that disgusting. Chillrend was a safe haven for a little over a month, had some of the most fun PvP I've had since the beginning of the game during that month. Sad its gone on Chillrend now too

Agrippa_Invisus

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Yo guys, just fyi:

Don't even think its quite a troll, this guy is just salty he's getting #rekt.

Thornblade turning into a red version of Auriel's Bow is.... disgusting... to me.

That was inevitable once a few guilds started to slink away from thorn because it was day in day out unplayable lag, many of us found that disgusting. Chillrend was a safe haven for a little over a month, had some of the most fun PvP I've had since the beginning of the game during that month. Sad its gone on Chillrend now too

If only the ZOS server code didn't suck harder than a Hoover trapped in a black hole.

Aquanova

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

Agrippa_Invisus

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

Samadhi

What really interests me is whether there are still people who care about the scoreboards.

EskimoBrother

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

Well said!

Pchela

Samadhi wrote: »

What really interests me is whether there are still people who care about the scoreboards.

I care. Ask anyone who's run in a group I lead and I have them push objectives. It may seem silly but I like a challenge, I like to fight, I like to overcome the crappy odds and watch as we all team together and accomplish things. I also like to tower farm people BUT that only happens once I've burnt out on objectives for a few hours

Zhoyzu

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

Samadhi

Pchela wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

What really interests me is whether there are still people who care about the scoreboards.

I care. Ask anyone who's run in a group I lead and I have them push objectives. It may seem silly but I like a challenge, I like to fight, I like to overcome the crappy odds and watch as we all team together and accomplish things. I also like to tower farm people BUT that only happens once I've burnt out on objectives for a few hours

Can respect that.

Personally only care about being able to experience PvP without lagging out constantly.

Hopping from one campaign to another when things got unplayable kind of killed my focus on the scoreboard.

It is just unfortunate that now the lag has spread to the campaign that had been giving me a decent time.

Been spending the past few days in the pre-vet campaign instead now.

Anything is more interesting than lagging out and disconnecting over and over for several hours without getting a decent fight. x-x

RedTalon

This sums up this thread

Agrippa_Invisus

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

I was looking around Thorn a little this weekend (and espousing my manifesto in zone chat a bit) and EP's really... not what it used to be. I remember a machine with multiple guilds working in tandem to achieve a goal. Hijinx and PR and Pride and IR and Vokundein all working and talking to each other to guard this keep, hit that keep, protect choke points, etc. Now... There's a lot of warm bodies but the organization seems to have scattered.

Oh, and an awful lot of smack talk about EP "owning" Thornblade.

I remember that type of crap getting sent in /tells to me about Bloodthorn ("get off our server, scrub" "you'll never be emperor." "we're calling in everyone to dethrone you" "just stop logging in and go away" "we don't want competition we want you gone" were some of the nicer ones). Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

Draxys

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

I was looking around Thorn a little this weekend (and espousing my manifesto in zone chat a bit) and EP's really... not what it used to be. I remember a machine with multiple guilds working in tandem to achieve a goal. Hijinx and PR and Pride and IR and Vokundein all working and talking to each other to guard this keep, hit that keep, protect choke points, etc. Now... There's a lot of warm bodies but the organization seems to have scattered.

Oh, and an awful lot of smack talk about EP "owning" Thornblade.

I remember that type of crap getting sent in /tells to me about Bloodthorn ("get off our server, scrub" "you'll never be emperor." "we're calling in everyone to dethrone you" "just stop logging in and go away" "we don't want competition we want you gone" were some of the nicer ones). Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

WTB Dawnbreaker

Agrippa_Invisus

Draxys wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

I was looking around Thorn a little this weekend (and espousing my manifesto in zone chat a bit) and EP's really... not what it used to be. I remember a machine with multiple guilds working in tandem to achieve a goal. Hijinx and PR and Pride and IR and Vokundein all working and talking to each other to guard this keep, hit that keep, protect choke points, etc. Now... There's a lot of warm bodies but the organization seems to have scattered.

Oh, and an awful lot of smack talk about EP "owning" Thornblade.

I remember that type of crap getting sent in /tells to me about Bloodthorn ("get off our server, scrub" "you'll never be emperor." "we're calling in everyone to dethrone you" "just stop logging in and go away" "we don't want competition we want you gone" were some of the nicer ones). Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

WTB Dawnbreaker

A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. -- Leonard Nimoy

Satiar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

I was looking around Thorn a little this weekend (and espousing my manifesto in zone chat a bit) and EP's really... not what it used to be. I remember a machine with multiple guilds working in tandem to achieve a goal. Hijinx and PR and Pride and IR and Vokundein all working and talking to each other to guard this keep, hit that keep, protect choke points, etc. Now... There's a lot of warm bodies but the organization seems to have scattered.

Oh, and an awful lot of smack talk about EP "owning" Thornblade.

I remember that type of crap getting sent in /tells to me about Bloodthorn ("get off our server, scrub" "you'll never be emperor." "we're calling in everyone to dethrone you" "just stop logging in and go away" "we don't want competition we want you gone" were some of the nicer ones). Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

Most of the organized EP isn't there anymore. It's fun working as a team, which we have been the last few campaigns, but if people don't want to fight than that's all there is to it. You split up the dream team and go elsewhere for competition.

I still retain hope that Thorn will be reinvigorated or that another new big server will rise, but for the time being TB is mostly potato with no competition. It was kind of funny near the end, after months of effort from several guilds to win the campaign, to be told by the pugs in zone chat that they didn't need the guilds and owned Thornblade on their own.

So that's who you're talking to right now in Thorn, as far as I can tell. The people who cared are either lying low and hoping for a competition resurgence, or trying out new servers.

Fordd

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Yo guys, just fyi:

Don't even think its quite a troll, this guy is just salty he's getting #rekt.

Thornblade turning into a red version of Auriel's Bow is.... disgusting... to me.

That was inevitable once a few guilds started to slink away from thorn because it was day in day out unplayable lag, many of us found that disgusting. Chillrend was a safe haven for a little over a month, had some of the most fun PvP I've had since the beginning of the game during that month. Sad its gone on Chillrend now too

So true, so true. Chillrend PvP was the best pvp ive had in game.

rich.magab14a_ESO

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Yo guys, just fyi:

Don't even think its quite a troll, this guy is just salty he's getting #rekt.

Thornblade turning into a red version of Auriel's Bow is.... disgusting... to me.

That was inevitable once a few guilds started to slink away from thorn because it was day in day out unplayable lag, many of us found that disgusting. Chillrend was a safe haven for a little over a month, had some of the most fun PvP I've had since the beginning of the game during that month. Sad its gone on Chillrend now too

It seems like those few guilds that started to "slink" away from thorn have brought the lag and the same tactics they complained about with them to chillrend.

Winnamine

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well, let's be honest here. DC loses TB because of low population. AD lose because they try to win multiple campaigns. For the month of April, they both lose because of "wah wah" cryin. CRY EP zerg....CRY EP exploits....CRY EP day cap....CRY EP lag....CRY HAVÖK.........and let slip the dawgs of war!

There's a lot of things that EP needs to start proactively doing on Thornblade to encourage competition to return (and no I'm not touching the lagsploiting issue -- first and foremost, ZOS has to fix that):

1. Stop locking the server early and late. There's little incentive to log in against a locked population as one-two bars of opposition to get crushed.
2. Give up ground. Stop opening gates when there's no scrolls behind them and let them take some home keeps back.
3. Stop gate camping -- especially with big organized teams that are just smashing kittens. Guild groups slaughtering VR2s and level 39s jumping out of spawn just makes the situation worse.
4. Spread out. Seriously, EP need to stop all playing on Thornblade. And some groups just need to take time off and go run HelRa/AA/VetDSA or something.

Stop accusing your opposition of crying and start listening. Some of them have a point.

I concur. However if you have noticed on NA prime time the only campaign that isnt pop locked by EP is haderus. This was true all weekend. granted only thorns queue is full potato.

I was looking around Thorn a little this weekend (and espousing my manifesto in zone chat a bit) and EP's really... not what it used to be. I remember a machine with multiple guilds working in tandem to achieve a goal. Hijinx and PR and Pride and IR and Vokundein all working and talking to each other to guard this keep, hit that keep, protect choke points, etc. Now... There's a lot of warm bodies but the organization seems to have scattered.

Oh, and an awful lot of smack talk about EP "owning" Thornblade.

I remember that type of crap getting sent in /tells to me about Bloodthorn ("get off our server, scrub" "you'll never be emperor." "we're calling in everyone to dethrone you" "just stop logging in and go away" "we don't want competition we want you gone" were some of the nicer ones). Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

Most of the organized EP isn't there anymore. It's fun working as a team, which we have been the last few campaigns, but if people don't want to fight than that's all there is to it. You split up the dream team and go elsewhere for competition.

I still retain hope that Thorn will be reinvigorated or that another new big server will rise, but for the time being TB is mostly potato with no competition. It was kind of funny near the end, after months of effort from several guilds to win the campaign, to be told by the pugs in zone chat that they didn't need the guilds and owned Thornblade on their own.

So that's who you're talking to right now in Thorn, as far as I can tell. The people who cared are either lying low and hoping for a competition resurgence, or trying out new servers.

Thorn is dead.
And it wasn't killed by your pugs, it was killed by your guilds.
A couple of whom are still doing their very best to make sure no spark of competition remains there.
I hear stories of hours spent camping scroll temples and gates on an all red map.
Pvp at its finest, no doubt.

As far as I know, every respectable EP guild has already homed on other campaigns where real competition exists, because let's be honest, the alternative is sitting on an all red map, farming the trickle of pugs who are stubborn or new enough to still be there while congratulating one another on a job well done ruining a once thriving campaign with constant overpopulation and morning capping.
The best part is, these EP still wait in hour long queues just to do that.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

I'm seeing the same case happening on Azura's. When I asked for a few more seasoned EP guilds to help out, given the majority of EP on AS is sub-vet spillover from BWB. I didn't mean "come one come all arrogant *** guilds who let all of EP's keeps get taken while they hole up in Brindle and farm AP'. You get ap, xp, and gold bonus gains from holding your home keeps as well as enemy keeps and the inner ring. So to me it seems counter-productive to allow the enemy to just breeze on through your stuff because you want to set up a nice tower farm clear on the opposite side of the map. Yesterday EP were within seconds of crowning emp, and we lost ALL of our ring keeps in under an hour because almost 2/3 of the existing EP population refused to defend ANYTHING. We even lost Arrius and came close to losing Kings and our one scroll, and the only reason we persisted was because those do-nothings deigned to get off their asses and help defend the keep. You're not going to tell me that there's any valid reason why pop-locked EP should lose so much in such a short period of time to pop-locked DC, unless everyone and their mom are off doing delves or skyshard runs.

I really hope ZOS re-evaluates how AP is gained and place more of an emphasis on defending key objectives such as scrolls and home keeps. The thing is this is something not exclusive to EP either. AD is suffering almost worse from sheer lack of participation. 2 bars while EP and DC are poplocked for the majority of the night? That's just wrong. It's wrong that I'm feeling sympathetic for a faction I've grown a steep seething hatred of from the days of Volendrung and Haderus.

Another thing that really grates me is the utter lack of communication in zone chat. Yes I know people are worried about spies and the like, but information is not exclusive. There's no reason why players can't call out "oh hey I was picking herbs and I ran into a 20+ EP raid heading to our scroll keep" or "Hey I just arrived in BRK and there's 20 DC siege doing a 50/50". We lost Ash, Ales, Bleakers, Chalman. BRK, Sej, and Alessia almost back to back because absolutely no one saw fit to relay information, or even respond when it was called.

DC is guaranteed to win AS because they had a strong lead early on, but AD easily could've overtaken them if they'd just balled up and fought back, and EP could've thrown a monkey in the works as well. Same with Thorn and Haderus, this isn't competition it's a glorified buff server.

Jaxsun

CMG138 wrote: »

Because when you team up you're missing out on half of the potential AP. It's really as simple as that.

This is and always will be the way 3 faction PVP works...

PainfulFAFA

Theres probably 1 yellow guild running around Sunday prime time farming the potatoes out of Red.

It was hilarious watching how EP was being carried by a number of guilds only to be supported by an endless number of puggies.


Anyways we farmed and the hell out of Thornblade (NA) EP yesterday it was fun. skill-less pugs dying left and right.