EP almost locked in every campaign (NA)

saintmurray · April 2015

So other factions can see the size EP ques can get too, last week the q for thorn was over 200 long...

Bouvin · April 2015

Translation: EP has Queue to enter almost every single campaign.

Eventually people will get sick of queueing just to run around a map with little to no action because they don't have any enemies... and reroll.

Poxheart · April 2015

saintmurray wrote: »

So other factions can see the size EP ques can get too, last week the q for thorn was over 200 long...

MaximillianDiE · April 2015

Bollocks to all of you who say Havoc exploit the lag, cross faction or any of the other downright stupid excuses you put up for losing to them - the truth is they run tight, follow their leader's orders and are individually good to excellent players. I'm an exclusively AD player these days and know a lot of them personally and will vouch for the fact that they're stand-up people and not cheaters. I would know if they were cross-realming as I still have a number of them on my friends list as Havoc formed out of the DiE who stayed on EP after a somewhat acrimonious split in our guild while the rest went back to AD exclusively until our fairly recent hiatus from ESO. I still play around in ESO though and I have never seen Anon, Tom Hanks (RHM), Perichor or any of the other core Havoc players on their AD toons so would see if they ever did log onto AD. Quit making excuses and step up if you want to beat them and put away the tin foil hats as an excuse for losing to them as its simply a crutch that will hold you back. Those guys will look at the meta and adapt to it intelligently and not search for crutches to carry them. That's why they're good - not because of some ridiculous "lag" button which is the current excuse in AD zone chat for getting rolled by them repeatedly. Stealth up sometime and watch them in action - even as an opponent I find the way they play the game impressive, even if they're rarely facing opponents as organised as they are these days, but I still can't help but give them kudos.

It would be fantastic for balance for the game though if Havoc did come back to AD though, although I'm not holding my breath on that point given their history with us. AD really could use another organised guild to counter the organised red blob which could be the challenge they're looking for. Just saying...

saintmurray · April 2015

Poxheart wrote: »

saintmurray wrote: »

So other factions can see the size EP ques can get too, last week the q for thorn was over 200 long...

Wasn't about having a winge just telling people they should roll the other factions

j3crow · April 2015

There is no point in blaming people for zerging or for the lag (except for the exploits). Its large scale faction vs. faction warfare. Its -supposed- to be enmasse.

The problem is in the systems design, and lack of population mitigation

Its up to ZOS to generate solutions. It would e nice just to hear them address the issue

Jauriel · April 2015

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Bollocks to all of you who say Havoc exploit the lag, cross faction or any of the other downright stupid excuses you put up for losing to them - the truth is they run tight, follow their leader's orders and are individually good to excellent players. I'm an exclusively AD player these days and know a lot of them personally and will vouch for the fact that they're stand-up people and not cheaters. I would know if they were cross-realming as I still have a number of them on my friends list as Havoc formed out of the DiE who stayed on EP after a somewhat acrimonious split in our guild while the rest went back to AD exclusively until our fairly recent hiatus from ESO. I still play around in ESO though and I have never seen Anon, Tom Hanks (RHM), Perichor or any of the other core Havoc players on their AD toons so would see if they ever did log onto AD. Quit making excuses and step up if you want to beat them and put away the tin foil hats as an excuse for losing to them as its simply a crutch that will hold you back. Those guys will look at the meta and adapt to it intelligently and not search for crutches to carry them. That's why they're good - not because of some ridiculous "lag" button which is the current excuse in AD zone chat for getting rolled by them repeatedly. Stealth up sometime and watch them in action - even as an opponent I find the way they play the game impressive, even if they're rarely facing opponents as organised as they are these days, but I still can't help but give them kudos.

It would be fantastic for balance for the game though if Havoc did come back to AD though, although I'm not holding my breath on that point given their history with us. AD really could use another organised guild to counter the organised red blob which could be the challenge they're looking for. Just saying...

Max, l love you and respect you but you're just plain wrong. I am sick and tired of having this argument so I won't belabor it again. But you're wrong. I have no doubt there are some decent people in that guild. But I also have no doubt there are some that aren't. I have had many experiences while playing this game. One has been to be duped into helping lag and crash the server last summer and many more times I have have been to be on the receiving end of it. I've seen it done. It can be done. And the guilds doing it have all kinds of clever and creative ways to ease their conscience. Oh they will say, "it is an unfortunate result of game mechanics" or "its the server weakness not our fault" and the ever popular, "it's a grey area". But it is what it is. It's not even rocket science.

I've enjoyed a week of lag and crash free play on my new home campaign. I finally kinda like Pvp and the game again. And you can bet your arse I am watching the names of the Reds I am fighting.

MaximillianDiE · April 2015

Hi Jauriel. I like you too but, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I know the guys in Havoc and happily vouch for them as a good bunch of good blokes (and Daisy

) who's company I enjoyed when they were in DiE . Some of them play a little more than is healthy, but then that's their choice and not for us to judge right? Anyway I don't play with cheaters and very much doubt they've changed that much in the relatively short space of time since we went our separate ways. The lag has to be just as frustrating for them as it is for us, as the game becomes simply unplayable which for addicts like Anon and Peri and some of the others would be unbearable! I really don't see what the upside of lagging the server would be to them - those keep slideshows are a tedious nightmare when they happen.

TagaParti · April 2015

We have lots of new players as we all knew. They have simply selected EP side.
Since Tamriel Unlimited started I have been receiving messages saying,

"Hey, I picked EP faction so I can go to war with the Unkillable on my side"

Flattery at its finest.

Rylana · April 2015

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Bollocks to all of you who say Havoc exploit the lag, cross faction or any of the other downright stupid excuses you put up for losing to them - the truth is they run tight, follow their leader's orders and are individually good to excellent players. I'm an exclusively AD player these days and know a lot of them personally and will vouch for the fact that they're stand-up people and not cheaters. I would know if they were cross-realming as I still have a number of them on my friends list as Havoc formed out of the DiE who stayed on EP after a somewhat acrimonious split in our guild while the rest went back to AD exclusively until our fairly recent hiatus from ESO. I still play around in ESO though and I have never seen Anon, Tom Hanks (RHM), Perichor or any of the other core Havoc players on their AD toons so would see if they ever did log onto AD. Quit making excuses and step up if you want to beat them and put away the tin foil hats as an excuse for losing to them as its simply a crutch that will hold you back. Those guys will look at the meta and adapt to it intelligently and not search for crutches to carry them. That's why they're good - not because of some ridiculous "lag" button which is the current excuse in AD zone chat for getting rolled by them repeatedly. Stealth up sometime and watch them in action - even as an opponent I find the way they play the game impressive, even if they're rarely facing opponents as organised as they are these days, but I still can't help but give them kudos.

It would be fantastic for balance for the game though if Havoc did come back to AD though, although I'm not holding my breath on that point given their history with us. AD really could use another organised guild to counter the organised red blob which could be the challenge they're looking for. Just saying...

Its not the ex die members that are the problem, its the original EP players they hooked up with that are. I know some of those guys, they are horrible people with attitudes that make even the AD zone trolls look like saints. Theres a reason some of them were kicked out of their original guilds. No one wants to be around them because of their smug elitist attitudes that have been magnified by a handful of good leaders now carrying them. These are the same crybabies that used to flood the forums with calls to get die banned or calls to do X or Y because they couldnt play worth a damn until you guys went over and made them what they are. Theyve always relied on cheats and exploits, ever since the start of the game. Hell one of them is the admitted trollcamper that purposely hamstrung AD at every chance he could get, while babbling on about how awesome EP was in AD zone chat.

I have no doubt in my mind that you know them as stand up legit guys, but theyve been influenced by some of the worst griefers in ESO, that changes people for the worse.

Xiphyla · April 2015

TagaParti wrote: »

We have lots of new players as we all knew. They have simply selected EP side.
Since Tamriel Unlimited started I have been receiving messages saying,

"Hey, I picked EP faction so I can go to war with the Unkillable on my side"

Flattery at its finest.

You haven't remove your the "Unkillable title" in your sig.

Xiphyla · April 2015

Rylana wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Bollocks to all of you who say Havoc exploit the lag, cross faction or any of the other downright stupid excuses you put up for losing to them - the truth is they run tight, follow their leader's orders and are individually good to excellent players. I'm an exclusively AD player these days and know a lot of them personally and will vouch for the fact that they're stand-up people and not cheaters. I would know if they were cross-realming as I still have a number of them on my friends list as Havoc formed out of the DiE who stayed on EP after a somewhat acrimonious split in our guild while the rest went back to AD exclusively until our fairly recent hiatus from ESO. I still play around in ESO though and I have never seen Anon, Tom Hanks (RHM), Perichor or any of the other core Havoc players on their AD toons so would see if they ever did log onto AD. Quit making excuses and step up if you want to beat them and put away the tin foil hats as an excuse for losing to them as its simply a crutch that will hold you back. Those guys will look at the meta and adapt to it intelligently and not search for crutches to carry them. That's why they're good - not because of some ridiculous "lag" button which is the current excuse in AD zone chat for getting rolled by them repeatedly. Stealth up sometime and watch them in action - even as an opponent I find the way they play the game impressive, even if they're rarely facing opponents as organised as they are these days, but I still can't help but give them kudos.

It would be fantastic for balance for the game though if Havoc did come back to AD though, although I'm not holding my breath on that point given their history with us. AD really could use another organised guild to counter the organised red blob which could be the challenge they're looking for. Just saying...

Its not the ex die members that are the problem, its the original EP players they hooked up with that are. I know some of those guys, they are horrible people with attitudes that make even the AD zone trolls look like saints. Theres a reason some of them were kicked out of their original guilds. No one wants to be around them because of their smug elitist attitudes that have been magnified by a handful of good leaders now carrying them. These are the same crybabies that used to flood the forums with calls to get die banned or calls to do X or Y because they couldnt play worth a damn until you guys went over and made them what they are. Theyve always relied on cheats and exploits, ever since the start of the game. Hell one of them is the admitted trollcamper that purposely hamstrung AD at every chance he could get, while babbling on about how awesome EP was in AD zone chat.

I have no doubt in my mind that you know them as stand up legit guys, but theyve been influenced by some of the worst griefers in ESO, that changes people for the worse.

WTB Old Wabbajack Server.

Da Sandman · April 2015

Rylana wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Bollocks to all of you who say Havoc exploit the lag, cross faction or any of the other downright stupid excuses you put up for losing to them - the truth is they run tight, follow their leader's orders and are individually good to excellent players. I'm an exclusively AD player these days and know a lot of them personally and will vouch for the fact that they're stand-up people and not cheaters. I would know if they were cross-realming as I still have a number of them on my friends list as Havoc formed out of the DiE who stayed on EP after a somewhat acrimonious split in our guild while the rest went back to AD exclusively until our fairly recent hiatus from ESO. I still play around in ESO though and I have never seen Anon, Tom Hanks (RHM), Perichor or any of the other core Havoc players on their AD toons so would see if they ever did log onto AD. Quit making excuses and step up if you want to beat them and put away the tin foil hats as an excuse for losing to them as its simply a crutch that will hold you back. Those guys will look at the meta and adapt to it intelligently and not search for crutches to carry them. That's why they're good - not because of some ridiculous "lag" button which is the current excuse in AD zone chat for getting rolled by them repeatedly. Stealth up sometime and watch them in action - even as an opponent I find the way they play the game impressive, even if they're rarely facing opponents as organised as they are these days, but I still can't help but give them kudos.

It would be fantastic for balance for the game though if Havoc did come back to AD though, although I'm not holding my breath on that point given their history with us. AD really could use another organised guild to counter the organised red blob which could be the challenge they're looking for. Just saying...

Its not the ex die members that are the problem, its the original EP players they hooked up with that are. I know some of those guys, they are horrible people with attitudes that make even the AD zone trolls look like saints. Theres a reason some of them were kicked out of their original guilds. No one wants to be around them because of their smug elitist attitudes that have been magnified by a handful of good leaders now carrying them. These are the same crybabies that used to flood the forums with calls to get die banned or calls to do X or Y because they couldnt play worth a damn until you guys went over and made them what they are. Theyve always relied on cheats and exploits, ever since the start of the game. Hell one of them is the admitted trollcamper that purposely hamstrung AD at every chance he could get, while babbling on about how awesome EP was in AD zone chat.

I have no doubt in my mind that you know them as stand up legit guys, but theyve been influenced by some of the worst griefers in ESO, that changes people for the worse.

I don't know where you get this stuff but you have completely lost touch with reality.

Jauriel · April 2015

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Hi Jauriel. I like you too but, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I know the guys in Havoc and happily vouch for them as a good bunch of good blokes (and Daisy ) who's company I enjoyed when they were in DiE . Some of them play a little more than is healthy, but then that's their choice and not for us to judge right? Anyway I don't play with cheaters and very much doubt they've changed that much in the relatively short space of time since we went our separate ways. The lag has to be just as frustrating for them as it is for us, as the game becomes simply unplayable which for addicts like Anon and Peri and some of the others would be unbearable! I really don't see what the upside of lagging the server would be to them - those keep slideshows are a tedious nightmare when they happen.

I will tell you the upside (since I was in Ts when the server was crashed last year) is to turn a bad situation around. As I said, once the efforts of those casting healing springs led to rubber banding on the scroll of Ni Mohk as it was being run by ep. Eventually we got it back. Another time was a crash to desktop at Warden caused by an order to stack and spam. The guild eventually collapsed and the brainchild defected to EP. Shortly after we changed names and that is when I moved to a leadership position. Then within a month the very same thing is happening to us from ep side? And you want me to think this is a coincidence? I am supposed to think when we face off at Chalman and are about to flip the back flag and we all crash to desktop not once but twice in a row this is somehow just a coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences. And the game very smartly allows us to see the names of the people we are squaring off with.

So yeah, last night on my new home we faced off with about 50-75 red and many more yellow at BRK to recap our scroll. No lag. No crashing. Honest to goodness pvp. Even though we wiped the first try-persistence won the day and we got our scroll. But we did so without any lag to speak of and nobody crashed to desktop. Again, the game graciously allows me to see the names of my foes. I am a smart girl and can piece evidence together. Part of moving for us was to see if this is how it would be and sure enough we were right.

But I understand your position. I respect you as an honorable adversary in game.

Valnas · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Max, l love you and respect you but you're just plain wrong. I am sick and tired of having this argument so I won't belabor it again. But you're wrong. I have no doubt there are some decent people in that guild. But I also have no doubt there are some that aren't. I have had many experiences while playing this game. One has been to be duped into helping lag and crash the server last summer and many more times I have have been to be on the receiving end of it. I've seen it done. It can be done. And the guilds doing it have all kinds of clever and creative ways to ease their conscience. Oh they will say, "it is an unfortunate result of game mechanics" or "its the server weakness not our fault" and the ever popular, "it's a grey area". But it is what it is. It's not even rocket science.

I've enjoyed a week of lag and crash free play on my new home campaign. I finally kinda like Pvp and the game again. And you can bet your arse I am watching the names of the Reds I am fighting.

You've seen the megaserver get on it's knees and just quit. You've seen our group there, and when it eventually did get playable, you died. And obviously, we did it. You don't know how, you can't quite even begin to decribe, but you know. It's not like we're dealing with the same bs. The same skill lag. We have magical powers to control it and that is why we are the victors. If you just spent time learning to lagsploit, there is an academt in EP craglorn, new to the lanscape is Teargrant's LagSploitation employment center. If you don't have a grind, or any content to play through, you just plug in and tune out out. The macro's keep you casting, the music keeps you dancing.

We've enjoyed the lag free play since you left too, keep that tin foil hat on.

Jauriel · April 2015

Valnas wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Max, l love you and respect you but you're just plain wrong. I am sick and tired of having this argument so I won't belabor it again. But you're wrong. I have no doubt there are some decent people in that guild. But I also have no doubt there are some that aren't. I have had many experiences while playing this game. One has been to be duped into helping lag and crash the server last summer and many more times I have have been to be on the receiving end of it. I've seen it done. It can be done. And the guilds doing it have all kinds of clever and creative ways to ease their conscience. Oh they will say, "it is an unfortunate result of game mechanics" or "its the server weakness not our fault" and the ever popular, "it's a grey area". But it is what it is. It's not even rocket science.

I've enjoyed a week of lag and crash free play on my new home campaign. I finally kinda like Pvp and the game again. And you can bet your arse I am watching the names of the Reds I am fighting.

You've seen the megaserver get on it's knees and just quit. You've seen our group there, and when it eventually did get playable, you died. And obviously, we did it. You don't know how, you can't quite even begin to decribe, but you know. It's not like we're dealing with the same bs. The same skill lag. We have magical powers to control it and that is why we are the victors. If you just spent time learning to lagsploit, there is an academt in EP craglorn, new to the lanscape is Teargrant's LagSploitation employment center. If you don't have a grind, or any content to play through, you just plug in and tune out out. The macro's keep you casting, the music keeps you dancing.

We've enjoyed the lag free play since you left too, keep that tin foil hat on.

Lag free play LOL in TB? It's lag free because there is no actually fighting on it.

And it's painfully obvious you read maybe 25% of what I typed and therefore dealing with you is pointless.

Ps. It isn't magical. It isn't a secret. Other groups have done it and did it before you guys did it.

Lionxoft · April 2015

POP LOCK AND DROP IT?!

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2015

Dear TB players. Go back to TB were you belong and leave the rest of the campaigns alone and let us who want to have fun in PvP have fun. Haderus doesn't need more TB players bad enough we got all of ADs TB.

C0pp3rhead · April 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Dear TB players. Go back to TB were you belong and leave the rest of the campaigns alone and let us who want to have fun in PvP have fun. Haderus doesn't need more TB players bad enough we got all of ADs TB.

On behalf of all the ERP'rs out there, I second this. Please stay off of Haderus. Cyrodiil can be a fun and peaceful place if you just give it a chance.

Karamis_Vimardon · April 2015

I've seen Havoc go off to a tower in a keep being attacked by EP and /sit and /dance with them while discussing the lag. They do nothing and ping remains at 999+? Does not compute. As convienient as it may be to blame someone, blame ZoS. The reason we players got this game was for the slogan "Hundreds of players on screen", sadly this is not the case

.

Cast not thine judgement on thine fellow gamers, but mourn with them in sorrow at this most time warping play.

Bahalul · April 2015

The Columba is strong with this thread.

Jauriel · April 2015

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Dear TB players. Go back to TB were you belong and leave the rest of the campaigns alone and let us who want to have fun in PvP have fun. Haderus doesn't need more TB players bad enough we got all of ADs TB.

On behalf of all the ERP'rs out there, I second this. Please stay off of Haderus. Cyrodiil can be a fun and peaceful place if you just give it a chance.

Haderus will never be peaceful again. Deal with it.

AhPook_Is_Here · April 2015

Valnas wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Max, l love you and respect you but you're just plain wrong. I am sick and tired of having this argument so I won't belabor it again. But you're wrong. I have no doubt there are some decent people in that guild. But I also have no doubt there are some that aren't. I have had many experiences while playing this game. One has been to be duped into helping lag and crash the server last summer and many more times I have have been to be on the receiving end of it. I've seen it done. It can be done. And the guilds doing it have all kinds of clever and creative ways to ease their conscience. Oh they will say, "it is an unfortunate result of game mechanics" or "its the server weakness not our fault" and the ever popular, "it's a grey area". But it is what it is. It's not even rocket science.

I've enjoyed a week of lag and crash free play on my new home campaign. I finally kinda like Pvp and the game again. And you can bet your arse I am watching the names of the Reds I am fighting.

You've seen the megaserver get on it's knees and just quit. You've seen our group there, and when it eventually did get playable, you died. And obviously, we did it. You don't know how, you can't quite even begin to decribe, but you know. It's not like we're dealing with the same bs. The same skill lag. We have magical powers to control it and that is why we are the victors. If you just spent time learning to lagsploit, there is an academt in EP craglorn, new to the lanscape is Teargrant's LagSploitation employment center. If you don't have a grind, or any content to play through, you just plug in and tune out out. The macro's keep you casting, the music keeps you dancing.

We've enjoyed the lag free play since you left too, keep that tin foil hat on.

Oh no; now DC has proof lagsploiting is true, someone made a form post admitting it and wasn't at all being facetious.

Bahalul · April 2015

Lagsploit is real.

So is Illuminati.

RedTalon · April 2015

Hey beats being able to switch between chillrend and Star most nights save for the 1 hour of prime action

Zhoyzu · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

When I see this I think those little lock icons are utterly pointless. Anywhere it shows a poplock, as DC I can enter immediately with no queue. Ep claims they have actual waits-hours in some cases.

any of those other EP locks are insta-ins. only thorn had a 1-2hour queue

Jauriel · April 2015

Even on TB when DC showed a lock icon I always came in instantly.

PainfulFAFA · April 2015

It funny reading EP posts defending their honor and chaning the subject.

Truth is, they take advantage of ZOS weak servers. They know very well that blobbing up and attacking a keep will lag the servers, but who cares, they'll win anyways all they have to do is make it lag, stand on flags, and win. They have the population advantage.

You can lag the servers even with a 16 man group its so easy... stack up, lets the blob come to you, and then have everyone spam AOE then watch the fireworks.

Zhoyzu · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Earendal wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Havoc doesn't want competition IMO. They want to force all the good DC guilds and players (many already have) to quit the game so that between their ep and ad toons they can own every campaign.

There is so much wrong with this statement I don't even know where to start.

There are one, maybe two, DC groups worth their salt. Both of which we enjoy fighting. Neither of which we will run from. The rest seem to follow them around or simply roll over when confronted.

We don't PVP on our AD characters anymore (those of us who came from AD), to suggest otherwise is disingenuous and misleading.

Obviously we want to "own" whatever campaign we're homed to, which we currently do, but we're perfectly capable and willing to fight whomever for it.

I don't know why I let myself get baited in to conversing with you, it is the definition of pointless. Try to keep your tin-foiled head from thinking you know what Havoc wants.

Allow me to share with you what someone from your own faction sent to me recently:

"Name redacted April 4
Ereandal is an (redacted)..one of the DiE peeps that went to EP."

Have a great day. I am done arguing with you.

Heres what a forum member told me @jauriel said "i wear a tin foil hat because I CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH, or being wrong"
i think it has a lot of credibility. i mean just look at the quotation marks!

Zhoyzu · April 2015

TagaParti wrote: »

We have lots of new players as we all knew. They have simply selected EP side.
Since Tamriel Unlimited started I have been receiving messages saying,

"Hey, I picked EP faction so I can go to war with the Unkillable on my side"

Flattery at its finest.

But there are a couple videos of you dying! your move!

(jovial intentions)