Running from PVP?

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

So right now EP is in Thorn, DC is in Chillrend and AD is in Haderus. This is really sad that all three factions won't fight each other instead they have split up in 3 different campaigns so they can farm small groups of players. I have a few solutions that might work depending on how they are implemented.
1. You could hold a weekly war on each Cyrodiil that only the top 300 players from each faction can participate in. For example lets say 20 minutes prior to the war event you queue for the "war" and if you are within the top 300 scoring players then you get in the war when it starts. Naturally if you are ranked 412 and no one is there to fill the spot then you are selected. Let the war have nice rewards ect ect. Make it so if the war isn't pop locked on all sides the war would be carried over or something of that nature.
2. You could pool all of cyrodiil together so people who queue automatically go into a campaign until that campaign fills up then the next one begins to fill up. This could also work well with the first idea if you were willing to get rid of all the cyrodiil maps.
3. I wouldn't suggest getting rid of the non veteran cyrodiil maybe force people to enter it when they queue and are below v1. Could also put all of v1-12 on the same map. Anyways there's a few ideas I tossed up hoping it will help fix something.
4. A lot of people believe that simply getting rid of the score could fix everything.

I'll post this same topic on another forum check it out might get some ideas on how to fix this problem.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/view/forums/post/6624731/thread/430126#6624731

[Moderator Note: Edited title]

frozywozy · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

So right now EP is in Thorn, DC is in Chillrend and AD is in Haderus. This is really sad that all three factions won't fight each other instead they have split up in 3 different campaigns so they can farm small groups of players. I have a few solutions that might work depending on how they are implemented.
1. You could hold a weekly war on each Cyrodiil that only the top 300 players from each faction can participate in. For example lets say 20 minutes prior to the war event you queue for the "war" and if you are within the top 300 scoring players then you get in the war when it starts. Naturally if you are ranked 412 and no one is there to fill the spot then you are selected. Let the war have nice rewards ect ect. Make it so if the war isn't pop locked on all sides the war would be carried over or something of that nature.
2. You could pool all of cyrodiil together so people who queue automatically go into a campaign until that campaign fills up then the next one begins to fill up. This could also work well with the first idea if you were willing to get rid of all the cyrodiil maps.
3. I wouldn't suggest getting rid of the non veteran cyrodiil maybe force people to enter it when they queue and are below v1. Could also put all of v1-12 on the same map. Anyways there's a few ideas I tossed up hoping it will help fix something.
4. A lot of people believe that simply getting rid of the score could fix everything.

I'll post this same topic on another forum check it out might get some ideas on how to fix this problem.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/view/forums/post/6624731/thread/430126#6624731

The reason why people switch campaign is to mainly avoid the long Q of Thornblade.

cozmon3c_ESO · April 2015

chillrend is not like you say, its a 3 way war.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2015

i think that making a seperate campaign that is non-pvp would solve this. people dont fight each other, in my opinion, because they want to explore, so they move over to a campaign, take it over.

A non-pvp instance of cyrodiil would allow those that dont want to pvp play in cyrodiil, and those that want to pvp have their fun in their exculsive pvp campaigns.

derpsticks · April 2015

Have you actually looked the the leaderboards in chillrend? AD has way more people with much higher amounts of AP earned while DC has the least.

DC lost chill with b2p.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · April 2015

The conversation would be a lot less confusing if you specified which server you are talking about. NA and EU servers have completely different situations on campaigns with the same names.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2015

derpsticks wrote: »

Have you actually looked the the leaderboards in chillrend? AD has way more people with much higher amounts of AP earned while DC has the least.

DC lost chill with b2p.

Yup.

Rune_Relic · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

So right now EP is in Thorn, DC is in Chillrend and AD is in Haderus. This is really sad that all three factions won't fight each other instead they have split up in 3 different campaigns so they can farm small groups of players. I have a few solutions that might work depending on how they are implemented.

WAI...ZOS told everyone to split ....so they have
:d

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

woodsro wrote: »

derpsticks wrote: »

Have you actually looked the the leaderboards in chillrend? AD has way more people with much higher amounts of AP earned while DC has the least.

DC lost chill with b2p.

Yup.

Sadly DC is losing even though they are the main population on that server because they don't have any very good experienced guilds.

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO · April 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

So right now EP is in Thorn, DC is in Chillrend and AD is in Haderus. This is really sad that all three factions won't fight each other instead they have split up in 3 different campaigns so they can farm small groups of players. I have a few solutions that might work depending on how they are implemented.
1. You could hold a weekly war on each Cyrodiil that only the top 300 players from each faction can participate in. For example lets say 20 minutes prior to the war event you queue for the "war" and if you are within the top 300 scoring players then you get in the war when it starts. Naturally if you are ranked 412 and no one is there to fill the spot then you are selected. Let the war have nice rewards ect ect. Make it so if the war isn't pop locked on all sides the war would be carried over or something of that nature.
2. You could pool all of cyrodiil together so people who queue automatically go into a campaign until that campaign fills up then the next one begins to fill up. This could also work well with the first idea if you were willing to get rid of all the cyrodiil maps.
3. I wouldn't suggest getting rid of the non veteran cyrodiil maybe force people to enter it when they queue and are below v1. Could also put all of v1-12 on the same map. Anyways there's a few ideas I tossed up hoping it will help fix something.
4. A lot of people believe that simply getting rid of the score could fix everything.

I'll post this same topic on another forum check it out might get some ideas on how to fix this problem.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/view/forums/post/6624731/thread/430126#6624731

The reason why people switch campaign is to mainly avoid the long Q of Thornblade.

No its to not have to deal with the lag. there is no lag on the other servers. Wonder why?

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

derpsticks wrote: »

Have you actually looked the the leaderboards in chillrend? AD has way more people with much higher amounts of AP earned while DC has the least.

DC lost chill with b2p.

Yup.

Sadly DC is losing even though they are the main population on that server because they don't have any very good experienced guilds.

Didn't help that at least one large guild packed up from Chillrend and went splitsville to Azura's the moment the competition showed up. Then again, I don't think they were looking for any in the first place, just an easy win.

I hear MBF has been over on Chillrend lately, though, and here's to hoping they keep things competitive.

corx3 · April 2015

Chillrend has IR on EP, Decibooty and Alacrity on AD, and Mega Best Friends on a Short Bus on DC. That's pretty competitive ... and fun. EP could gain a guild to even things up and it'd be perfect.

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

I'm gonna take my 300 man guild and hop to an empty campaign and hope someone shows up to fight me. Or lets go where the enemy is and have a good fight. Don't give me that lag bullcrap I was in Chillrend last night and I was lagged in a 5v1 fight. That never happened in Thorn.

skarvika · April 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

chillrend is not like you say, its a 3 way war.

QFT

OP, wot u gabbin' bout m8?

Zhoyzu · April 2015

lmfao chill and azuras are 3 way. haderus is ads buff server cause they need one to compensate

Jauriel · April 2015

Personally I would love to see ep and DC unite and put ad in check on haderus. It's really bizarre and creepy how many ad are there with NO opposition. What DO they DO there all day? How much rp and erp can you do??

TiberiusTryton · April 2015

Azuras been awesome

bugmom · April 2015

I think scoring and rules will need to change in order to fix this. Example - left Thorn and went to Haderus and found EP there is dominated by a single person who mostly farms AP behind the gate. Instead of welcoming more EP this person and his ilk sabatoge the efforts of people from their own faction! AD dominates the map because if you are EP in Haderus you can't get anything done because this one person considers it to be his server and even appears to work with AD to keep it that way. Situation is not gonna change unless Haderus has a huge influx of EP to overthrow this guy.

And that I thnk highlights the flaw with ESO PvP. In a real war, people in a given faction would be working TOGETHER to win and there would be a chain of command and power structure to make it happen. The guy in Haderus doesn't WANT to win the war, he wants to be emperor and get his own personal rewards. In other campaigns I've seen other variations on in-fighting because of the every man for himself structure of the game. The rewards and structure of the game encourage sch abhorrent behavior and provide very little motivation for a faction to work together.

Ifthir_ESO · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

What DO they DO there all day?

Farm champion points.

Jauriel · April 2015

bugmom wrote: »

I think scoring and rules will need to change in order to fix this. Example - left Thorn and went to Haderus and found EP there is dominated by a single person who mostly farms AP behind the gate. Instead of welcoming more EP this person and his ilk sabatoge the efforts of people from their own faction! AD dominates the map because if you are EP in Haderus you can't get anything done because this one person considers it to be his server and even appears to work with AD to keep it that way. Situation is not gonna change unless Haderus has a huge influx of EP to overthrow this guy.

And that I thnk highlights the flaw with ESO PvP. In a real war, people in a given faction would be working TOGETHER to win and there would be a chain of command and power structure to make it happen. The guy in Haderus doesn't WANT to win the war, he wants to be emperor and get his own personal rewards. In other campaigns I've seen other variations on in-fighting because of the every man for himself structure of the game. The rewards and structure of the game encourage sch abhorrent behavior and provide very little motivation for a faction to work together.

It is so fascinating you say this!!! We experienced the exact same thing from a DC player on another server too! They were so angry we all came to their campaign they handed off ad's scroll to the to sabotage us! <shaking my head>

WRX · April 2015

corx3 wrote: »

Chillrend has IR on EP, Decibooty and Alacrity on AD, and Mega Best Friends on a Short Bus on DC. That's pretty competitive ... and fun. EP could gain a guild to even things up and it'd be perfect.

You are forgetting 2 other ORGANIZED EP GUILDS.

The campaign is completely balanced as is, except tonight was very questionable.

bugmom · April 2015

It is so fascinating you say this!!! We experienced the exact same thing from a DC player on another server too! They were so angry we all came to their campaign they handed off ad's scroll to the to sabotage us! <shaking my head>

Yeah, it's pretty pathetic on Haderus. One guild leeches AP, refuses to work with other EP, even sabotaging the efforts of other EP but their selfishness just hands the map to AD because that one guild can't take the map and hold it. Game wasn't designed that way. It's an ALLIANCE war not a guild war. It's stupid selfish, self-defeating behavior and I just don't get it. It has to get boring for them. Things were very exciting on Thorn when we had multiple EP guilds coordinating and working together. And it was a lot of fun. Much more interesting than sitting alone in a little fiefdom farming AP.

kevlarto_ESO · April 2015

I have got to stop coming to the forums when I am tired, I thought the title of the thread was,

ZENI Please do something this has turned into a panty war.

I thought oh my LOL

Sacadon · April 2015

bugmom wrote: »

It is so fascinating you say this!!! We experienced the exact same thing from a DC player on another server too! They were so angry we all came to their campaign they handed off ad's scroll to the to sabotage us! <shaking my head>

Yeah, it's pretty pathetic on Haderus. One guild leeches AP, refuses to work with other EP, even sabotaging the efforts of other EP but their selfishness just hands the map to AD because that one guild can't take the map and hold it. Game wasn't designed that way. It's an ALLIANCE war not a guild war. It's stupid selfish, self-defeating behavior and I just don't get it. It has to get boring for them. Things were very exciting on Thorn when we had multiple EP guilds coordinating and working together. And it was a lot of fun. Much more interesting than sitting alone in a little fiefdom farming AP.

I was curious as to why Haderus flips to EP during the day, then AD takes it back in the evening.

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

Well Seems that EP has left thorn chasing after whoever in whatever server is available for the time being. There's always those who just want to farm and there's those who want to pvp. If you want to pvp then you will end up chasing the enemy instead of waiting for them to come to you.

Psilent · April 2015

bugmom wrote: »

It is so fascinating you say this!!! We experienced the exact same thing from a DC player on another server too! They were so angry we all came to their campaign they handed off ad's scroll to the to sabotage us! <shaking my head>

Yeah, it's pretty pathetic on Haderus. One guild leeches AP, refuses to work with other EP, even sabotaging the efforts of other EP but their selfishness just hands the map to AD because that one guild can't take the map and hold it. Game wasn't designed that way. It's an ALLIANCE war not a guild war. It's stupid selfish, self-defeating behavior and I just don't get it. It has to get boring for them. Things were very exciting on Thorn when we had multiple EP guilds coordinating and working together. And it was a lot of fun. Much more interesting than sitting alone in a little fiefdom farming AP.

How do they sabotage?

Joy_Division · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

derpsticks wrote: »

Have you actually looked the the leaderboards in chillrend? AD has way more people with much higher amounts of AP earned while DC has the least.

DC lost chill with b2p.

Yup.

Sadly DC is losing even though they are the main population on that server because they don't have any very good experienced guilds.

Didn't help that at least one large guild packed up from Chillrend and went splitsville to Azura's the moment the competition showed up. Then again, I don't think they were looking for any in the first place, just an easy win.

I hear MBF has been over on Chillrend lately, though, and here's to hoping they keep things competitive.

It's more complicated than that. Unfortunately DC has more intrafaction drama than the other two combined.

Jauriel · April 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

derpsticks wrote: »

Have you actually looked the the leaderboards in chillrend? AD has way more people with much higher amounts of AP earned while DC has the least.

DC lost chill with b2p.

Yup.

Sadly DC is losing even though they are the main population on that server because they don't have any very good experienced guilds.

Didn't help that at least one large guild packed up from Chillrend and went splitsville to Azura's the moment the competition showed up. Then again, I don't think they were looking for any in the first place, just an easy win.

I hear MBF has been over on Chillrend lately, though, and here's to hoping they keep things competitive.

It's more complicated than that. Unfortunately DC has more intrafaction drama than the other two combined.

Ain't dat the troof, roof.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

bugmom wrote: »

It is so fascinating you say this!!! We experienced the exact same thing from a DC player on another server too! They were so angry we all came to their campaign they handed off ad's scroll to the to sabotage us! <shaking my head>

Yeah, it's pretty pathetic on Haderus. One guild leeches AP, refuses to work with other EP, even sabotaging the efforts of other EP but their selfishness just hands the map to AD because that one guild can't take the map and hold it. Game wasn't designed that way. It's an ALLIANCE war not a guild war. It's stupid selfish, self-defeating behavior and I just don't get it. It has to get boring for them. Things were very exciting on Thorn when we had multiple EP guilds coordinating and working together. And it was a lot of fun. Much more interesting than sitting alone in a little fiefdom farming AP.

I have a feeling I know who this 'one guild' is, and it's not 'that guild' that was doing emp farming a couple months ago. This 'one guild' is lead by a big fat fraud and an insult to human existence. He doesn't want skilled players on his team he wants people that are 100% loyal to him and his sob story about the bad hand supposedly dealt to him by life. He brays like a donkey on vent about how awesome he is and constantly trash talks everyone but himself and his merry men. He's systematically bullied away very skilled and intelligent players like Vortexman and Vjori among others, and that just proves what a sad sack he truly is that he has to gratify his own ego to make himself seem valuable as a human being. He is not. He is trash, utter trash and I hope more people see him as the failure and insult that he is. I hope some of the guilds searching for action try out Haderus both to knock this scum off his high horse as well as AD's, and not only that hobble said horse.

People keep complaining about the other servers being crowded. Haderus is the only server so far that hasn't been poplocked consistently at primetime. Change that.

frozywozy · April 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

bugmom wrote: »

It is so fascinating you say this!!! We experienced the exact same thing from a DC player on another server too! They were so angry we all came to their campaign they handed off ad's scroll to the to sabotage us! <shaking my head>

Yeah, it's pretty pathetic on Haderus. One guild leeches AP, refuses to work with other EP, even sabotaging the efforts of other EP but their selfishness just hands the map to AD because that one guild can't take the map and hold it. Game wasn't designed that way. It's an ALLIANCE war not a guild war. It's stupid selfish, self-defeating behavior and I just don't get it. It has to get boring for them. Things were very exciting on Thorn when we had multiple EP guilds coordinating and working together. And it was a lot of fun. Much more interesting than sitting alone in a little fiefdom farming AP.

I have a feeling I know who this 'one guild' is, and it's not 'that guild' that was doing emp farming a couple months ago. This 'one guild' is lead by a big fat fraud and an insult to human existence. He doesn't want skilled players on his team he wants people that are 100% loyal to him and his sob story about the bad hand supposedly dealt to him by life. He brays like a donkey on vent about how awesome he is and constantly trash talks everyone but himself and his merry men. He's systematically bullied away very skilled and intelligent players like Vortexman and Vjori among others, and that just proves what a sad sack he truly is that he has to gratify his own ego to make himself seem valuable as a human being. He is not. He is trash, utter trash and I hope more people see him as the failure and insult that he is. I hope some of the guilds searching for action try out Haderus both to knock this scum off his high horse as well as AD's, and not only that hobble said horse.

People keep complaining about the other servers being crowded. Haderus is the only server so far that hasn't been poplocked consistently at primetime. Change that.

Sounds like you got booted from his guild.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

bugmom wrote: »

It is so fascinating you say this!!! We experienced the exact same thing from a DC player on another server too! They were so angry we all came to their campaign they handed off ad's scroll to the to sabotage us! <shaking my head>

Yeah, it's pretty pathetic on Haderus. One guild leeches AP, refuses to work with other EP, even sabotaging the efforts of other EP but their selfishness just hands the map to AD because that one guild can't take the map and hold it. Game wasn't designed that way. It's an ALLIANCE war not a guild war. It's stupid selfish, self-defeating behavior and I just don't get it. It has to get boring for them. Things were very exciting on Thorn when we had multiple EP guilds coordinating and working together. And it was a lot of fun. Much more interesting than sitting alone in a little fiefdom farming AP.

I have a feeling I know who this 'one guild' is, and it's not 'that guild' that was doing emp farming a couple months ago. This 'one guild' is lead by a big fat fraud and an insult to human existence. He doesn't want skilled players on his team he wants people that are 100% loyal to him and his sob story about the bad hand supposedly dealt to him by life. He brays like a donkey on vent about how awesome he is and constantly trash talks everyone but himself and his merry men. He's systematically bullied away very skilled and intelligent players like Vortexman and Vjori among others, and that just proves what a sad sack he truly is that he has to gratify his own ego to make himself seem valuable as a human being. He is not. He is trash, utter trash and I hope more people see him as the failure and insult that he is. I hope some of the guilds searching for action try out Haderus both to knock this scum off his high horse as well as AD's, and not only that hobble said horse.

People keep complaining about the other servers being crowded. Haderus is the only server so far that hasn't been poplocked consistently at primetime. Change that.

Sounds like you got booted from his guild.

I never was in his guild. I never was in any guild. But I can run out of fingers and toes counting how many people were in his guild and he threw them under the bus making fraudulent accusations about them 'recruiting for other guilds' and 'playing alts on the enemy alliance' in a game that is meant to support multiple guilds and cross-faction gameplay.