Why the main AD thorn guilds went to chill

NukeAllTheThings · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

I still think adding friendly fire to AOE and AOE ulty such as meteor puts an end to this garbage...go ahead spam your AOE, while also killing your teammates. Add player collision and were money.

And this right here is why you aren't allowed anywhere near a developer role. Because you don't even realize that you'd be straining resources more with how freaking expensive collision is. Thats besides the fact on how bad of an idea friendly fire is.

I have wrote more code then you probably ever will.

This game wouldn't have these issues if I was the one that coded the engine because i actually know what I am doing and know how to write and fuzz code in a sound manner. I also would have fuzzed the game engine by creating 10,000s of bots to flood the game with all kinds of effects etc in house to see how the engine performs and actually fix things before the game ever launched. I am not artist, but i can code given the time and resources i assure you. I also know how to code things in a modular format, with well laid out flowcharts and documentation, etc. I got started writing in C sin the 1990's, used to code and mess around with assembly before that, I have done C#, Other .Net, Java, Ruby, Perl, Their is probably some others i have forgotten. I am a Network Admin now, don't code much anymore, but i still could if the need arised, its not rocket science to write sound code. I do more powershell and network admin related scripting nowadays then other types of coding simply because i don't have time to sit around and code as a hobby anymore.

It is totally possible to do those calculations if those who coded this engine actually used the "Native Instruction Sets" that are in modern CPU's to make the calculations as close to the bare metal as possible instead of doing them via software brokers and other such interfaces which add extra CPU cycles and unnecessary overhead..

I mean Intel and AMD only designed these instruction sets to make doing such large batches of calculations at one time possible while acceleraring the speed of doing so. Ever try running a Virtual Machine on a system that the CPU doesn't support AMD SVM or Intel VT? Its slower then stinking molasses and the performance blows....you could get a similar performance boost in calculations simply by actually using the Instruction Sets in the CPU instead of relying on software based ones and implementations that have ridiculous overhead associated with them.

AMD Mantle was so successful because it got close to the metal and leverage these CPU Instruction Set's that have been ignored in games and video game API's for years. AMD's Mantle could perform 7 times as many draw calls as DirectX 11 simply by leveraging the resources close to the metal that have been their for years that no one wants to take advantage of. DirectX 12 is pretty much Mantle, of course MS will wrap these around wrappers for an API, but their won't be much overhead at all as Mantle did all the hard work in those phases of limiting the overhead as much as possible.

The biggest problems with ESO is poor coding that has created bottlenecks and insufficient hardware, however the bottleneck can't be solved by hardware because the way the game engine is coded you couldn't throw enough hardware at it to solve the issues, as the more people you get playing, the problems will scale much more then your hardware does.

As i said to Agrippa, he is probably right that friendly collisions with this game is not possible due to the nature of how the engine scales in terms of large groups of people doing things. To solve these issues would require significant investment and money from ZOS to re-write core parts of the game engine and network code itself, and that may not be worth it from a money perspective at some point, I don't know.

From a coding standpoint, collision and number crunching is not that expensive at all if it done in the correct manner. Their are folding at home and other large shared computation grids right now that each server crunches more numbers and complex computations in 1 day then the ESO server does in a week, and their is no slow down on those systems because its implemented correctly.

All the fancy art work aside for video games, at the end of the day, your still looking at 0's and 1s....we have an old saying:

"only two types of people exist in this world; those who understand binary and those who don't"

That last part was a joke Huntler, i know this is a long post, but try not to be so dismissive. its counter productive. I made that comment because i hadn;t had my morning coffee yet. this long post is jsut some educational tidbits of how things are moving forward now with Mantle. Hope your having a great day!

Is there a TLDNR version available?

I am coder, hear me roar.

or...

01001001 00100000 01100001 01101101 00100000 01100011 01101111 01100100 01100101 01110010 00101100 00100000 01101000 01100101 01100001 01110010 00100000 01101101 01100101 00100000 01110010 01101111 01100001 01110010

Jahosefat · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

WraithAzraiel · April 2015

Methuselah wrote: »

Because they can't even win lag wars. Nothing new, just one of hundreds of the same crap.

https://youtu.be/el1qTKuCwX8

Sooooo what you're saying is they don't cheat to win, cool story bro, now go get me a sammich.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2015

Haha yeah that was a long one.

Sorry Huntler ill try and be more mean next time

Huntler · April 2015

woodsro wrote: »

Haha yeah that was a long one.

Sorry Huntler ill try and be more mean next time

Good, you're learning

WRX · April 2015

Yeah what I saw here was an out numbered AD group that got sick of the lag.

Now if you really want to see some good videos without lag, why don't I upload videos from 4/1 and 4/2. No lag, even fights or us outnumbered, and us completely dismantling your group which amounted to 150k in under 3 hours.

Methuselah · April 2015

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

WRX · April 2015

This video basically proves my point lol.. All of those wipes but one, you were surrounded by another EP guild, a very good one, the new Hijinx.

Ill post our GvG now

WRX · April 2015

delete.

frozywozy · April 2015

WRX wrote: »

This video basically proves my point lol.. All of those wipes but one, you were surrounded by another EP guild, a very good one, the new Hijinx.

Ill post our GvG now

I'm really sick of hearing your excuses everytime you get killed by someone. You just can't admit when you get defeated and take it like a man. You gotta complain about it. You fought I don't know how many times with Alacrity by your side or with the help of 30 AD randoms surrounding you the past couple days and no one came here to cry about it.

It's actually the other way around. I personally enjoy it even more when we get out numbered during a fight because it brings more challenge, more discipline and more concentration. In the end we always learn alot from it.

Winnamine · April 2015

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

frozywozy · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

Methuselah · April 2015

i guess you didnt watch it all 0-o

Winnamine · April 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

I think there's a difference between posting pat-yourself-on-the-back clips of a particularly good pvp session, and editing a night of pvp into you wiping AD guilds, then posting it on a thread titled "Why the Main AD Guilds Went to Chillrend."

Uncalled for, and inaccurate, because I'm sorry, but last night we won far more than we lost.
However you'll notice we didn't make a montage of all of your wipes last night and post it.

frozywozy · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

I think there's a difference between posting pat-yourself-on-the-back clips of a particularly good pvp session, and editing a night of pvp into you wiping AD guilds, then posting it on a thread titled "Why the Main AD Guilds Went to Chillrend."

Uncalled for, and inaccurate, because I'm sorry, but last night we won far more than we lost.
However you'll notice we didn't make a montage of all of your wipes last night and post it.

I'm not denying that we got wiped. Actually we got wiped alot more than we won fights. IR has been fighting you by themselves several times against the best AD guilds combined in the world. Of course we're gonna lose more fights than we win in most scenarios, but we still enjoy it and learn alot from it. It is alot more fun than rolling a map full red on Thornblade, at least. There is nothing wrong to post their achievements if they are proud of it. nothing disrespectful about that.

Manoekin · April 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

I think there's a difference between posting pat-yourself-on-the-back clips of a particularly good pvp session, and editing a night of pvp into you wiping AD guilds, then posting it on a thread titled "Why the Main AD Guilds Went to Chillrend."

Uncalled for, and inaccurate, because I'm sorry, but last night we won far more than we lost.
However you'll notice we didn't make a montage of all of your wipes last night and post it.

I'm not denying that we got wiped. Actually we got wiped alot more than we won fights. IR has been fighting you by themselves several times against the best AD guilds combined in the world. Of course we're gonna lose more fights than we win in most scenarios, but we still enjoy it and learn alot from it. It is alot more fun than rolling a map full red on Thornblade, at least. There is nothing wrong to post their achievements if they are proud of it. nothing disrespectful about that.

Well, hopefully my video finishes getting edited tomorrow and we can post it :x

And yes, I'll make a Roe version with katy perry and selena gomez music since some of you seem to be interested in that.

Methuselah · April 2015

Well, the op vid pretty much displays why AD, and everyone leaves thorn. The 2nd vid is because wrx wanted something recent.

Fatalyis · April 2015

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

Ha! That first clip was great....we were getting ready to head out and our TS server went down. Fun stuff!

Huntler · April 2015

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

Lol this "core members" excuse so many guilds likes to make. Why is it every time someone points out you guys zerg, you claim that you rarely, if ever run more than 16, then every video you have ever posted, ever has at least 20 usually closer to max raid.... and every time I see you its like 9/10 times a full raid? Maybe thats when you guys are successful amirite

?

You posted a video where the majority of the time you are zerging groups down with superior numbers from PUGS (just because you turn friendly health bars off doesn't make those pugs not there, I can see why you think its only you without those friendly healthbars on, but I assure you its not). Hell in half those clips you're lagging the server with your healing springs spam, you can freaking see it. Healing springs isn't even a good spell, its garbage for group healing. Update your meta bro

, this ain't 1.5.

Winnamine · April 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

I think there's a difference between posting pat-yourself-on-the-back clips of a particularly good pvp session, and editing a night of pvp into you wiping AD guilds, then posting it on a thread titled "Why the Main AD Guilds Went to Chillrend."

Uncalled for, and inaccurate, because I'm sorry, but last night we won far more than we lost.
However you'll notice we didn't make a montage of all of your wipes last night and post it.

I'm not denying that we got wiped. Actually we got wiped alot more than we won fights. IR has been fighting you by themselves several times against the best AD guilds combined in the world. Of course we're gonna lose more fights than we win in most scenarios, but we still enjoy it and learn alot from it. It is alot more fun than rolling a map full red on Thornblade, at least. There is nothing wrong to post their achievements if they are proud of it. nothing disrespectful about that.

Well, hopefully my video finishes getting edited tomorrow and we can post it :x

And yes, I'll make a Roe version with katy perry and selena gomez music since some of you seem to be interested in that.

Sigh
See what you did @Methuselah ?
You have begun the video wars.....
May the best editor win.

Huntler · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

I think there's a difference between posting pat-yourself-on-the-back clips of a particularly good pvp session, and editing a night of pvp into you wiping AD guilds, then posting it on a thread titled "Why the Main AD Guilds Went to Chillrend."

Uncalled for, and inaccurate, because I'm sorry, but last night we won far more than we lost.
However you'll notice we didn't make a montage of all of your wipes last night and post it.

I'm not denying that we got wiped. Actually we got wiped alot more than we won fights. IR has been fighting you by themselves several times against the best AD guilds combined in the world. Of course we're gonna lose more fights than we win in most scenarios, but we still enjoy it and learn alot from it. It is alot more fun than rolling a map full red on Thornblade, at least. There is nothing wrong to post their achievements if they are proud of it. nothing disrespectful about that.

Well, hopefully my video finishes getting edited tomorrow and we can post it :x

And yes, I'll make a Roe version with katy perry and selena gomez music since some of you seem to be interested in that.

Sigh
See what you did @Methuselah ?
You have begun the video wars.....
May the best editor win.

Pretty sure the music makes the video Winni, and the ERP.... and the previous videos music was ..... not so good.

Seriously guys... step up your game on the music

Winnamine · April 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

I think there's a difference between posting pat-yourself-on-the-back clips of a particularly good pvp session, and editing a night of pvp into you wiping AD guilds, then posting it on a thread titled "Why the Main AD Guilds Went to Chillrend."

Uncalled for, and inaccurate, because I'm sorry, but last night we won far more than we lost.
However you'll notice we didn't make a montage of all of your wipes last night and post it.

I'm not denying that we got wiped. Actually we got wiped alot more than we won fights. IR has been fighting you by themselves several times against the best AD guilds combined in the world. Of course we're gonna lose more fights than we win in most scenarios, but we still enjoy it and learn alot from it. It is alot more fun than rolling a map full red on Thornblade, at least. There is nothing wrong to post their achievements if they are proud of it. nothing disrespectful about that.

Well, hopefully my video finishes getting edited tomorrow and we can post it :x

And yes, I'll make a Roe version with katy perry and selena gomez music since some of you seem to be interested in that.

Sigh
See what you did @Methuselah ?
You have begun the video wars.....
May the best editor win.

Pretty sure the music makes the video Winni, and the ERP.... and the previous videos music was ..... not so good.

If you can win on ERP, we got this.

PeggymoeXD · April 2015

I figured they came to ruin Chillrend because they were getting spanked elsewhere.

Methuselah · April 2015

I've never put on friendly health bars because well, i don't care about their health. Its all good winnie, if I record some good fights ill edit it with music next time. I literally threw that together in no time, half asleep

Manoekin · April 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

I don't think it's even on Chillrend. Based on the people there, their ranks in the clip, and the timing, I would say this is Thornblade.

You are absolutely correct, this is from Thornblade. Saw myself; haven't been playing on chill. It is pre-1.6 as well.

Methuselah wrote: »

The thing about the video is to show the tactics that are used by all organized groups. The age dosen't matter nor anything else about it. If you want to show some recent clips of 3 guilds wiping 1 who had at most 10 core members be my guest.

https://youtu.be/aKiEeFd1a3A

I don't get it... is this what we're doing now?
Taking like 6-8 hours of pvp, editing it down into just your victories, then posting it in your opponent's faces?
Keep it classy.

No, you're right. People are supposed to record everytime they get owned by your guild and post it here to show how awesome you are. I mean, all people who have been posting videos of their victories in Cyrodiil for the past couple months are probably all doing it wrong.. makes sense!

I think there's a difference between posting pat-yourself-on-the-back clips of a particularly good pvp session, and editing a night of pvp into you wiping AD guilds, then posting it on a thread titled "Why the Main AD Guilds Went to Chillrend."

Uncalled for, and inaccurate, because I'm sorry, but last night we won far more than we lost.
However you'll notice we didn't make a montage of all of your wipes last night and post it.

I'm not denying that we got wiped. Actually we got wiped alot more than we won fights. IR has been fighting you by themselves several times against the best AD guilds combined in the world. Of course we're gonna lose more fights than we win in most scenarios, but we still enjoy it and learn alot from it. It is alot more fun than rolling a map full red on Thornblade, at least. There is nothing wrong to post their achievements if they are proud of it. nothing disrespectful about that.

Well, hopefully my video finishes getting edited tomorrow and we can post it :x

And yes, I'll make a Roe version with katy perry and selena gomez music since some of you seem to be interested in that.

Sigh
See what you did @Methuselah ?
You have begun the video wars.....
May the best editor win.

Pretty sure the music makes the video Winni, and the ERP.... and the previous videos music was ..... not so good.

Seriously guys... step up your game on the music

I requested the chat log to be blocked because too much ERP I thought I might get the Sypher treatment.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2015

Methuselah wrote: »

It's funny you say that. I was debating on whether to upload this without music and just TS. Because at the very end someone says as a joke. "All Skill" But seriously, the three alliances cordinated pvp guilds all say the same things about the other. They're cheating, no skill, ect.....I find it halarious. Then they're some who really get the big picture and say it's no players fault. Servers cant handle this.

as a DC player, i can say without a doubt that AD and EP are far better strategists than we. Our main tactic is zerg the keeps in order. AD and EP will take keeps further in to stop reinforcements. Comon DC, lets step up our game (comment on tactics made by a longtime chillrend player)