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Is anyone else getting tired of the pvp in this game?
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Aimelin✭✭✭It's not skill spam, but the rotation and position you use that is key. Use the skills in an order that makes them build off of each other. Then, move around, don't stand in one place.
Everyone else who is going against you just has 5 skills on their bar, they are in the same boat you are in.
Also, PvP, and Trials requires a more focused build, you can't be a Hybrid, either go all Stamina or all Magic.
Yet this game turned into a skill spam fest since 1.6 ..... if you deny that you haven't rly played pvp
Wake up, this game has always been skill spam online. Example : Templar : Spam Breath of life in pve, spam healing springs in pvp
(or is it the other way around?).
it's never been as bad as in 1.6 where people claim they have a good build, but only spam 1 skill .....
the pvp in 1.5 was 10000x better than what it is now0 -
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✭It's not skill spam, but the rotation and position you use that is key. Use the skills in an order that makes them build off of each other. Then, move around, don't stand in one place.
Everyone else who is going against you just has 5 skills on their bar, they are in the same boat you are in.
Also, PvP, and Trials requires a more focused build, you can't be a Hybrid, either go all Stamina or all Magic.
Yet this game turned into a skill spam fest since 1.6 ..... if you deny that you haven't rly played pvp
Wake up, this game has always been skill spam online. Example : Templar : Spam Breath of life in pve, spam healing springs in pvp (or is it the other way around?).
it's never been as bad as in 1.6 where people claim they have a good build, but only spam 1 skill .....
the pvp in 1.5 was 10000x better than what it is now
Nothing has changed. The game has always been about building around 1-2 main skills and spamming those, while all other skills are just situational.
Always. Take off your rose-colored glasses.0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »Problem is, and i don't know if it's lag or just my response time is too slow, I've been in fights where i would get CCed in which I would break free but while I'm doing so I'm hit and killed so fast that again I'm unable to do anything. Again I can't tell if this is lag or what. I even use dodge roll ALOT and tend to drain my stam if I'm not careful. Most fights I get into are only with 2-3 people, if I have more than 1 person attacking me I'm dead without so much as me being able to do anything. As for BE I don't even have it yet. Thats why I put points into stormcalling I never leveled it properly and Im only at level 37 so. This isn't so much about skill rotation or positioning, it's mostly being unable to tank ANYTHING.
Totally see where you're coming from here ... and I'm agreeing with a lot of the posters in your thread.
This is just my own opinion, but using your sorc to tank may not be the most effective use of the nice ranged abilities at your disposal. Liquid Lightning you mentioned, but Mages Fury and Crystal Shards are also good ranged abilities. That's how I use my sorc at least. It's nice to stand up on the castle walls and keep tabs on any siege equipment or enemies that are too close. If you want to tank, well, maybe start a new character that is a tank.
Not going to sugar coat it - my VR1 Templar is still getting used to update 2 as well as trying to PvP some elite enemies that are out there. But, it's a challenge and I'm still having fun. I have also done some PvP in the non-vet campaign (Backwater Blade) and I also suggest that if you're re-working skill combinations.
How is your gear? There are a lot of guildies and players out there that can make you armor for a modest fee. When you get past needing skill points for your core skills you can then make your own armor if you choose.
One other thing I'm guessing you've done but just better check: Have you allocated your earned Champion Points yet? When I allocated mine, it was a noticable difference in my characters ... even my low level NB and DK alts.
I managed to obtain a skillpoint which I put into crystal shards, and when I get another I'll morph it. Honestly though this still doesn't change the fact I'm gonna continue to do abysmal damage.FadedJeans wrote: »> Is anyone else getting tired of the pvp in this game?
I'm not. I'm having a blast.
you are clearly of the minority because I've seen post after post and reply after reply, hell most of the replies here are people sick and tired of pvp, of the tedium of what pvp has turned into and this only reflects my own experiences aside from my "killed in nearly 1 hit" issue.To be honest I don't even know what I fight for anymore. EP has won the last 8 campaigns. Thornblade and before couple major updates Crowning an emperor just means We are going to crown the same 10 people with a small bonus. I have fun with my guild No matter if we are winning or losing. Capturing the elder scrolls just means the other faction will get them back at midnight or mid day. Im the rank Centurion and don't care for future ranks. Every time I make a build I like, it gets wrecked by zenimax with there "Fix's"
Maybe Im like every other PVP player we are brainwashing our self's hopping for something better to happen.
I remember the massive awesome fights in early beta. THOSE felt refreshing. Now it's the same old stale bread everyone is eating. Clearly pvp needs a major overhaul, and I tend to think they need to do it prior to releasing "Darkness Falls". We shall see how ZOS handles this though.They should just remove it . If failed . As much as I'm a huge pvp player I can tell when a game has lost its edge . Their money would be better spent trying to develop something else in game .
I disagree. I think the pvp had good direction at the beginning as I stated earlier, and DOES HAVE potential still. It's just now they need to fix what is broken and hopefully soon or people are going to either leave pvp altogether or end up quitting and moving on to another game.NukeAllTheThings wrote: »xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »This game is really customizable for your playstyle up to a certain point. Then its cookie cutter. With hardened Ward alone your not going to absorb much, especially if you don't have a lot of maximum magicka because it scales through it now.
If your looking for survivability have on just one weapon bar, hardened ward, harness magicka and BoL.
Harness magicka is great for magickal attacks as it refills your resources when hit by a magicka user.
As for combat self healing is also important, so if you have healing ward get that too as Sorcerers lack an actual healing ability.
This only works if your a ranged playstyle though. But this should give you enough survivabilty one bar to place your own ability bar build on the other to your liking for PvP.
But remember some abilities just aren't effective as others for a certain playstyle.
As for attribute points it doesn't matter what you sink them into because you can find or craft gear to compensate it. Most normally dump all their points in magicka if they are a sorcerer magicka based damage. I have 10 points in health just for a minor boost as my gear enchants do a lot more.
I place enchantments of health on my chest, head and pants because they get the most out of the enchants.
Next is gear sets. If you are able get an arena set as it makes breaking out of CC a breeze but it requires 8 traits researched for each piece to craft. Otherwise there are other sets that require 3 traits that will be just as effective you could research 4 traits for Whitestrakes retribution if you want to survive longer.
As for armor traits you want, I would go with infused for head, chest and shoulders and armor for their rest.
The only problem is that this will take time and isn't instant I am also under the assumption that you have got all the skill points from skyshards, group dungeons, quests, and 4 man's except from craglorn and alliance rank.
This goes beyond simple survivability. I'm WAY outmatched, it could very well be the lag I simply don't know. Going by my experiences though tells me it's a combination of both. Half the time I'm dead before I can even throw up the shield, other times I throw up the shield and before I have time to recovery I'm alreayd down to little or no health.
I'm 30 magicka 24 health. I would expect to have SOME ability to take hits even if I'm using light armor WITH Hardened Ward up. This isn't the case though 9/10 fights.
Playstyle: I can't even adapt to a playstyle because I'm killed too fast to experiment and all I have to go on is pve and well that isn't something you can base a pvp playstyle off of
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I had a guy I know who I don't even know if he plays anymore make me some armor vr2. Now while it's only vr2 it's actually way better than most of the junk I get questing, since most of it is ironically vr 1-2, I only JUST moved on to the vr3+ area and I'm almost vr7. I can't make anything half as decent as what I'm wearing either. It's mostly Magnus set with a bit of Night Mother, and magicka/stam on all of it as when he made it I was dualwield/destro staff. Stones on it are combo of divines, infused and impenetrable.
Sadly I haven't done much in the way of dungeons and trials or craglorn for that matter since hitting the VR's. Any dungeon I attempt we can't ever get past the first boss and I'm not really in any guilds so I don't have anyone who can run me through these dungeons for gear. I'm kind of SOL I guess.
You are wearing VR2 gear and you are wondering why you get melted? Seriously, my NB is maxed out with gear/skills/passives and if I don't use specific abilities to my advantage along with positioning, planning and a little restraint to pick the battles I can win, I am dead in the blink of an eye.
I seroiusly can't believe it would make THAT much of a difference. The problem though is, I can't afford to upgrade this armor right now since I'm stuck saving for other things and I hate to admit I suck at making money in this game. Not to mention I wouldn't even know what to get, or what to put on it.WraithAzraiel wrote: »I'm getting tired of people not paying attention during their Language Arts classes and refusing to use paragraphs.
Actually, when I was in school we were taught that a paragraph should generally be about five to seven sentences depending on sentence length, but I've found readability on forums such as these to be greatly improved by using a maximum of three or maybe four sentences before a blank line.
Not that it has anything at all to do with this thread, though. Personally, I do mostly skip huge walls of text.
Back to the matter at hand: I have found the TTK in 1.6 to be even less than it was previously (which was already incredibly short compared to other MMOs I've played). The most dangerous opponent is still lag, of course.
When you combine crippling lag with abilities, or combinations of abilities, that hit extremely hard, what you get is a not very enjoyable experience. So I can definitely relate to the OP.
This isn't school, please quit whining about sentence structure. Go somewhere else to discuss this please.
I never said it was school, and if anyone is whining in this thread it was you, the OP.
Pot meet kettle.0 -
qsnoopyjr✭✭✭✭My problem is I'm a low level and just leveling up in PvP is very bad, and getting AP is pretty slow like someone else said. I don't mind AP being slow though because when I get a high title I want to feel special and not "everyone else has it too".
But leveling in PvP its just soo slow. Should give good chunk of xp when you kill an enemy player if you ask me.
Also, like someone else said, 'I don't know what I'm fighting for anymore'. Obviously for scrolls, but that feeling, of capturing the keep and accomplishment just isn't there.
- To solve this, I think there should be a competitive leaderboard. As in Alliance vs Alliance leaderboard, and a personal leaderboard that pits you against EVERYONE and not just your alliance. Get rid of all those servers too, they make zero sense to me. except for the non veteran, but they should just scale people correctly and get rid of that too.
Matter of fact, I don't like the way they set up the game either, no servers. All alliance based. But THERES NO OPEN WORLD PvP. *makes no sense at all*.... got a big war going on, but its all instance.... pointless war.
I haven't played the game long enough to find out if DC players in PvE can play with AD player in PvE... OPEN world pve. Be dumb if they cant though.
Back to point, this whole no server, you join an alliance and that is your server. I dislike that. Dislike it as long as there is no open world pvp... Now if it WAS Open World PvP... Makes total sense... Very good and fun.
- This game also lacks small scale PvP... Like Arena style PvP... 1v1, 5v5, 8v8. LEADERBOARDS... An ACTUAL good leaderboard.
- I DISLIKE the leaderboard they have in place... that one just seems like who plays the most. not very competitive at all. seems like its just personal gains too, doesn't feel competitive. Should be AD players vs DC vs EP players, not just oooh whose the DC player that plays the most out of all DC players... totally uncompetitive if you ask me.
-- Doesn't even show kills and such either.
IDK what it is, but my feeling on this is... Theres SOOOO much wrong in this game. I'm trying extremely hard to enjoy it. I'm trying EXTREMELY hard for real. I also feel that this game has soooooo many beta players too, because whenever I mention this game and if anyone played it, people normally give me 'been playing since beta, or yup I played in beta and quit'..... How do you have sooooo many beta players and the game feel so... soo much missing type of feeling??? Never played any game in my life that pretty much everyone is able to make a claim "hey I was in beta"... So many beta players, but feels like it lacks so much, doesn't make sense.
Believe me, I'm trying hard to enjoy this game, and PvP is one of my favorite aspects of an MMO.
---EDIT--- Offtopic--- One thing I want to mention too... Its that this game is all voiced over correct? Well, whenever I think of a game that's all voiced over, especially an MMO.. I get the picture of SWTOR in my head, how that game had huge bad rep about wasting so much money on voice overs and rest of the game was bad. I kind of get this feeling with this game too, because I haven't got any phrases stuck in my head even with all the voice overs in this game.
When I play GW2, its not all voiced over, but it put "emphasis" on short quotes that are memorable. Like "Know what cannot be known" "Fight what cannot be fought", Stand your Ground!, Shake it Off!, Trebuchet!, Excelcior, theres like sooooo many phrases I could list just from playing that game for a year.
And with Morrowind you could remember short sayings and quotes too and it wasn't all voiced over.
I think this game is missing that as well. Just those short memorable quotes or things you hear.
Just thinking about how SWTOR failed with full voice approach, kinda irritates me thinking that this game is in the same boat.
I don't know about others, but I'd prefer quality voice/NPC talking/grunting and such, over everything getting it and bad quality. I have NO ISSUES reading a little of something like 4 sentences top. Just thinking about in my head how this game manages money, how poor quality some of the game is, yet everything is voiced, irritates me.
Morrowind is a great game. Adding voice to everything in Morrowind wouldn't improve it much at all. The reading content is far better than listening to NPC yapping about something a little shorter than how long the script is (Morrowind content compared to Oblivion and Skyrim, just reading gives you imagination, and it beats having someone saying it out loud, all voice overs, is not a good thing in my mind).... An analogy would probably be like, watching harry potter compared to reading harry potter. Morrowind had a lot for you to read, but it was good quality stuff. Good quality stuff beats it being shortened and having someone say it out loud.
When I played Morrowind I wanted to read the books, I read them too. This game, I goto a bookshelf, don't give crap about it and exit the book. The lore just doesn't draw me in, I like zone out when the NPCs talk or they just talk in a way that I don't care... Now videos, or cutscenes, that's WAY better than just standing there looking at an NPC yapping at you. Cutscenes and videos are very good thing to have. Morrowind had these and used them very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s77sOkvgHR8 ... pretty much just a bunch of words for you to read, to make you imagine yourself on an epic quest, than the voiceover it has, gives you an epic feeling. Morrowind had very little voices, but everything top notch. "to the east... to morrowind" "wake up, where here! I'm sure they'll let us go...".. oblivion I cant remember any quotes, skyrim cant remember any quotes. both games voice over strong too... well in skyrim I remember Ald'uin has returned! but still. Morrowind a lot better.
Than you got games like Quake, I can remember all the monster grunts, and everything in that game. Kor Keene Kort, Arg Ary, shambler smashing sound. silly stuff like this makes a game.. People getting the Pentagram sound, or Quad damage sound, and everyone is like "time to hide". Like GW2, when you let someone bleed out and they make those weird dying sounds 'ury ugh' 'uraaaaa', ya know what I mean, this game is lacking those in my mind.
Needs more screen shaking when trebuchet hits the ground or wall, to make it feel like being sieged. Just needs a lot more sound effects, good ones. Dying sounds and grunts too.
One thing I do like is the breaking out of a stun grunt. That's good they need more stuff like that. Silly stuff like that makes a game a lot better trust me.
Also, weather effects, this WvW is so stale, it would be awesome if there was weather in it too.Edited by qsnoopyjr on April 3, 2015 2:56AM0 -
xeoneexb14_ESO✭✭✭xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »This isn't school, please quit whining about sentence structure. Go somewhere else to discuss this please.
I never said it was school, and if anyone is whining in this thread it was you, the OP.
Pot meet kettle.
This comment was directed at those talking about paragraphs and all that other crap which has nothing to do with my post. If this was you then it was directed to you, but to my knowledge you never said anything about sentence structure or anything so again this has nothing to do with you.John 3:16 = For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »This isn't school, please quit whining about sentence structure. Go somewhere else to discuss this please.
I never said it was school, and if anyone is whining in this thread it was you, the OP.
Pot meet kettle.
This comment was directed at those talking about paragraphs and all that other crap which has nothing to do with my post. If this was you then it was directed to you, but to my knowledge you never said anything about sentence structure or anything so again this has nothing to do with you.
Uh, you do realize that you quoted me right?
Anyways, I wrote in my post that it has nothing to do with this thread, so I obviously already know that.0 -
xeoneexb14_ESO✭✭✭Also, like someone else said, 'I don't know what I'm fighting for anymore'. Obviously for scrolls, but that feeling, of capturing the keep and accomplishment just isn't there.
- To solve this, I think there should be a competitive leaderboard. As in Alliance vs Alliance leaderboard, and a personal leaderboard that pits you against EVERYONE and not just your alliance. Get rid of all those servers too, they make zero sense to me. except for the non veteran, but they should just scale people correctly and get rid of that too.
I remember the days of the BG's in DAoC which is what pvp felt like in beta. Of course ESO is on a MUCH grander scale and theres far more to do than just a simple keep in the center of a small map. But the satisfaction of controlling that keep was what made it worthwhile. Problem with ESO in this regard is there are way too many keeps, and too many objectives to have any type of real satisfaction. At first when it was great but the fun and excitement wore off when they started doing major tweaks to it post release. Now it's all about who has the best gear and this is where I think the problem is. Skills play a part but you have to be max level with max gear. This is the major difference with the BG's in DAoC. They were limited to sets of levels, like 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49. Each bg was different and slightly bigger the higher tiers you got. But the single objective is what made it appealing. I can remember there was a slash command they added to stunt xp gain so you could stay in a teir if you chose to. Was beautiful till darkness falls was introduced, THAT is what I hope the Imperial City is like because if it is, *** boy thats going to be fun.Matter of fact, I don't like the way they set up the game either, no servers. All alliance based. But THERES NO OPEN WORLD PvP. *makes no sense at all*.... got a big war going on, but its all instance.... pointless war.
I absolutely agree with this. One thing that drew me into WoW originally was the pvp system. I can remember there was a race to 50 on the server I played and once they hit it, they would go to places like Auberdeen and bombard towns. While it sucked and was horribly frustrating, the fun factor was through the roof. Then came Tarren Mills... That was exhilerating. But then they introduced their BG system and well I feel the game went to *** because of that, or at least the pvp system did.I haven't played the game long enough to find out if DC players in PvE can play with AD player in PvE... OPEN world pve. Be dumb if they cant though.
No they cannot. Wouldn't make sense really since each faction is at war with one another.Back to point, this whole no server, you join an alliance and that is your server. I dislike that. Dislike it as long as there is no open world pvp... Now if it WAS Open World PvP... Makes total sense... Very good and fun.
I actually like the whole server thing IF they could figure out how to deal with the lag issues. Again they did back in early beta...- This game also lacks small scale PvP... Like Arena style PvP... 1v1, 5v5, 8v8. LEADERBOARDS... An ACTUAL good leaderboard.
- I DISLIKE the leaderboard they have in place... that one just seems like who plays the most. not very competitive at all. seems like its just personal gains too, doesn't feel competitive. Should be AD players vs DC vs EP players, not just oooh whose the DC player that plays the most out of all DC players... totally uncompetitive if you ask me.
-- Doesn't even show kills and such either.
I don't really care seeing as how I'm horrible with pvp and I don't expect to ever be high enough to give a damn about it :P.IDK what it is, but my feeling on this is... Theres SOOOO much wrong in this game. I'm trying extremely hard to enjoy it. I'm trying EXTREMELY hard for real. I also feel that this game has soooooo many beta players too, because whenever I mention this game and if anyone played it, people normally give me 'been playing since beta, or yup I played in beta and quit'..... How do you have sooooo many beta players and the game feel so... soo much missing type of feeling??? Never played any game in my life that pretty much everyone is able to make a claim "hey I was in beta"... So many beta players, but feels like it lacks so much, doesn't make sense.
Believe me, I'm trying hard to enjoy this game, and PvP is one of my favorite aspects of an MMO.
Well luckily the story quests and just the overall quests in general are keeping me occupied and its fun, but I also like pvp myself and would like to enjoy it much like I did before.John 3:16 = For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.0 -
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✭✭✭I all together left it . They closed my thread on why . The only voice you have is by leaving and not giving another dime to the game . When I say leave , I mean leave pvp not the whole game . Try to enjoy something else in this game . If you want pvp go to game that supports it . Play for free here but do anything but pvp . Once the earning reports get filed at corporate and they read the reason for subscription cancellation is because pvp doesn't work , then even Paul Sages boss will start sticking this under the microscope . It takes a long time but that's what pvp guilds did in other MMO's and got results , even if it was a year later . Show them with action because complaints get you the same results every time and truthfully , it's starting to ruin things for people that pve primarily . The constant nerfs and skill resets and lack of content is effecting everyone in ESO now .2 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭I all together left it . They closed my thread on why . The only voice you have is by leaving and not giving another dime to the game . When I say leave , I mean leave pvp not the whole game . Try to enjoy something else in this game . If you want pvp go to game that supports it . Play for free here but do anything but pvp . Once the earning reports get filed at corporate and they read the reason for subscription cancellation is because pvp doesn't work , then even Paul Sages boss will start sticking this under the microscope . It takes a long time but that's what pvp guilds did in other MMO's and got results , even if it was a year later . Show them with action because complaints get you the same results every time and truthfully , it's starting to ruin things for people that pve primarily . The constant nerfs and skill resets and lack of content is effecting everyone in ESO now .
+1 to this. ESO's saving grace is that the PvE, while buggy at times, is a whole lot of fun. Even just exploring a new area or a place you haven't been in a while can be interesting. So when you are tired of battling the lag monster or getting wrecked by 30-man zergs, you can always find something else to do in Tamriel.0 -
xeoneexb14_ESO✭✭✭civilizedsavage wrote: »No.
Uh... no what? Please clarify cause just saying no is too general to know exactly what you are saying no to.John 3:16 = For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.0
