This game is really customizable for your playstyle up to a certain point. Then its cookie cutter. With hardened Ward alone your not going to absorb much, especially if you don't have a lot of maximum magicka because it scales through it now.

If your looking for survivability have on just one weapon bar, hardened ward, harness magicka and BoL.

Harness magicka is great for magickal attacks as it refills your resources when hit by a magicka user.

As for combat self healing is also important, so if you have healing ward get that too as Sorcerers lack an actual healing ability.

This only works if your a ranged playstyle though. But this should give you enough survivabilty one bar to place your own ability bar build on the other to your liking for PvP.

But remember some abilities just aren't effective as others for a certain playstyle.

As for attribute points it doesn't matter what you sink them into because you can find or craft gear to compensate it. Most normally dump all their points in magicka if they are a sorcerer magicka based damage. I have 10 points in health just for a minor boost as my gear enchants do a lot more.

I place enchantments of health on my chest, head and pants because they get the most out of the enchants.

Next is gear sets. If you are able get an arena set as it makes breaking out of CC a breeze but it requires 8 traits researched for each piece to craft. Otherwise there are other sets that require 3 traits that will be just as effective you could research 4 traits for Whitestrakes retribution if you want to survive longer.

As for armor traits you want, I would go with infused for head, chest and shoulders and armor for their rest.

The only problem is that this will take time and isn't instant I am also under the assumption that you have got all the skill points from skyshards, group dungeons, quests, and 4 man's except from craglorn and alliance rank.

Digiman wrote: »

This game is really customizable for your playstyle up to a certain point. Then its cookie cutter. With hardened Ward alone your not going to absorb much, especially if you don't have a lot of maximum magicka because it scales through it now.

If your looking for survivability have on just one weapon bar, hardened ward, harness magicka and BoL.

Harness magicka is great for magickal attacks as it refills your resources when hit by a magicka user.

As for combat self healing is also important, so if you have healing ward get that too as Sorcerers lack an actual healing ability.

This only works if your a ranged playstyle though. But this should give you enough survivabilty one bar to place your own ability bar build on the other to your liking for PvP.

But remember some abilities just aren't effective as others for a certain playstyle.

As for attribute points it doesn't matter what you sink them into because you can find or craft gear to compensate it. Most normally dump all their points in magicka if they are a sorcerer magicka based damage. I have 10 points in health just for a minor boost as my gear enchants do a lot more.

I place enchantments of health on my chest, head and pants because they get the most out of the enchants.

Next is gear sets. If you are able get an arena set as it makes breaking out of CC a breeze but it requires 8 traits researched for each piece to craft. Otherwise there are other sets that require 3 traits that will be just as effective you could research 4 traits for Whitestrakes retribution if you want to survive longer.

As for armor traits you want, I would go with infused for head, chest and shoulders and armor for their rest.

The only problem is that this will take time and isn't instant I am also under the assumption that you have got all the skill points from skyshards, group dungeons, quests, and 4 man's except from craglorn and alliance rank.

This goes beyond simple survivability. I'm WAY outmatched, it could very well be the lag I simply don't know. Going by my experiences though tells me it's a combination of both. Half the time I'm dead before I can even throw up the shield, other times I throw up the shield and before I have time to recovery I'm alreayd down to little or no health.

I'm 30 magicka 24 health. I would expect to have SOME ability to take hits even if I'm using light armor WITH Hardened Ward up. This isn't the case though 9/10 fights.

Playstyle: I can't even adapt to a playstyle because I'm killed too fast to experiment and all I have to go on is pve and well that isn't something you can base a pvp playstyle off of .

I had a guy I know who I don't even know if he plays anymore make me some armor vr2. Now while it's only vr2 it's actually way better than most of the junk I get questing, since most of it is ironically vr 1-2, I only JUST moved on to the vr3+ area and I'm almost vr7. I can't make anything half as decent as what I'm wearing either. It's mostly Magnus set with a bit of Night Mother, and magicka/stam on all of it as when he made it I was dualwield/destro staff. Stones on it are combo of divines, infused and impenetrable.

Sadly I haven't done much in the way of dungeons and trials or craglorn for that matter since hitting the VR's. Any dungeon I attempt we can't ever get past the first boss and I'm not really in any guilds so I don't have anyone who can run me through these dungeons for gear. I'm kind of SOL I guess.

Nestor wrote: »

Just remember, PvE is where you learn the game, PvP is where you learn how to get good at it.

Not necessarily true. I think both worlds have their strengths and weaknesses; and both can offer players unique challenges that improve their skill.

PVP is key for helping players become adaptable both offensively and defensively. Because you are not always battling the same person with the same build, you have to be prepared for a range of different kinds of attacks. You see more hybrid builds for this reason because people need to be able to have survivability but do damage as well. They can be a jack of all trades in this respect.

However PVPers only have to worry about other PVPers. Meaning that they know the exact skills that will be used against them. And if they don't, they can research them. They know exactly how much damage these skills cause, and every finite detail related to them should they choose to look.

PVE helps players concentrate themselves for one specific task. Healers heal. Tanks tank. DPS DPS. Much like body systems, each player works specifically as both a singular unit and collectively as a part of a team with one goal. Their builds are optimized to carry out their specific role to the absolute best of their ability. PVE bosses have mechanics and skills that PVPers will never encounter. These bosses have mechanics that while in a progression stage are extremely complex, and these mechanics are not explained. There is no handbook or tool tip that states "mantikora does x damage every x seconds to x players." Its merely a "figure it out" stage. Trial (ha) and error. This demands creativity, diligence, and a different kind of skill and adaptability.

The downfall of PVE is in that once the content is figured out and mastered, the content does not change. This is where PVP continues to demand adaptation and PVE grows stagnant.

All the same, respect the other side of the aisle.

I'm getting tired of people not paying attention during their Language Arts classes and refusing to use paragraphs.

When I played games such as DAoC, and World of Warcraft I was in my pvp prime if you want to call it that. I wasn't the top, nor was I really close to being top player but I was far better than I am now. I tend to have a much harder time with games that give you pure freedom as far as skills and the like. When I played a warrior in WoW, I had a specific set of skills, albeit alot of them and more slots to put skills and abilities, I learned them well enough to know how to use them appropriately. The same can't be applied for me with a game like ESO where you have absolute freedom in skilling a character. I tend to go with what I feel I like and what works for me, with the handicap that others mock my selections and I tend to have a hard time. This is why I grew to despise "cookie cutter" builds becuase to me it's like putting on the right hand glove on your left hand. While it fits it does not feel right. Thats how it is with me. Though to my misfortune I can't adapt my personal system of playstyle so that it works in whatever environment I am in.

And I hate playing a game a way I dislike, especially one with absolute freedom, as it just defies the whole reason for being absolute freedom. I guess I have to accept that I will never be good at pvp and either die without much enjoyment or stop it altogether. Which is a shame because I like pvp as a whole and was looking forward to the Imperial City after I heard it was going to be like Darkness Falls. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

But I do agree, I feel pretty useless in this game in PvP. I'm just so scared to melee even in 5v5 fights.
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This is mainly why I dont bother with melee in pvp anymore. I have a serious problem with the way 2h works. It is VERY different from how it worked in beta, and I liked how it worked in early beta. Then they changed it and I had so many issues with it though I haven't tested it of late. Even with ranged I'm absolutely terrified to jump into battles because of how fragile I tend to be.

Vahrokh wrote: »

xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »

When I played games such as DAoC, and World of Warcraft I was in my pvp prime if you want to call it that. I wasn't the top, nor was I really close to being top player but I was far better than I am now. I tend to have a much harder time with games that give you pure freedom as far as skills and the like. When I played a warrior in WoW, I had a specific set of skills, albeit alot of them and more slots to put skills and abilities, I learned them well enough to know how to use them appropriately. The same can't be applied for me with a game like ESO where you have absolute freedom in skilling a character. I tend to go with what I feel I like and what works for me, with the handicap that others mock my selections and I tend to have a hard time. This is why I grew to despise "cookie cutter" builds becuase to me it's like putting on the right hand glove on your left hand. While it fits it does not feel right. Thats how it is with me. Though to my misfortune I can't adapt my personal system of playstyle so that it works in whatever environment I am in.

And I hate playing a game a way I dislike, especially one with absolute freedom, as it just defies the whole reason for being absolute freedom. I guess I have to accept that I will never be good at pvp and either die without much enjoyment or stop it altogether. Which is a shame because I like pvp as a whole and was looking forward to the Imperial City after I heard it was going to be like Darkness Falls. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.

Before you slot your first ability, before you put up the first piece of gear, before you enter Cyrodil, you have to have understood your class features. Every post you write, you talk about how they 3 shot you.

Of course they do, their class is made to 3 shot you if they get to melee range. Their whole objective in any PvP game is to get close. Once they are close, they have won, unless something particular happens.

You are the paper thin, mobility and spike damage class. You are meant to catch them off-guard and nimbly kill them before they react and most certainly before they come in contact with you. That's more or less all to it.

Of course a twitchy class requires the appropriate player skills, reaction speed and pre-disposition to be played.

You an't compare WoW with this game. The mechanics and classes are so far apart it's silly to even bother trying to compare. The diversity sets them worlds apart. The class abilities only make up i would 1/3 of your character. And while say sorc appears best in cloth and magic based, it simply is silly to say that is what all sorc should be. WoW warriors defined as heavy armor heavy weapon weilding powerhouses of nature. ESO you can be anything, your class doesn't define what type of playstyle you are. And you are naive if you feel that way. It's the weapon type, armor type, skillset that define your character. Not a preset path.

xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »

Digiman wrote: »

This game is really customizable for your playstyle up to a certain point. Then its cookie cutter. With hardened Ward alone your not going to absorb much, especially if you don't have a lot of maximum magicka because it scales through it now.

If your looking for survivability have on just one weapon bar, hardened ward, harness magicka and BoL.

Harness magicka is great for magickal attacks as it refills your resources when hit by a magicka user.

As for combat self healing is also important, so if you have healing ward get that too as Sorcerers lack an actual healing ability.

This only works if your a ranged playstyle though. But this should give you enough survivabilty one bar to place your own ability bar build on the other to your liking for PvP.

But remember some abilities just aren't effective as others for a certain playstyle.

As for attribute points it doesn't matter what you sink them into because you can find or craft gear to compensate it. Most normally dump all their points in magicka if they are a sorcerer magicka based damage. I have 10 points in health just for a minor boost as my gear enchants do a lot more.

I place enchantments of health on my chest, head and pants because they get the most out of the enchants.

Next is gear sets. If you are able get an arena set as it makes breaking out of CC a breeze but it requires 8 traits researched for each piece to craft. Otherwise there are other sets that require 3 traits that will be just as effective you could research 4 traits for Whitestrakes retribution if you want to survive longer.

As for armor traits you want, I would go with infused for head, chest and shoulders and armor for their rest.

The only problem is that this will take time and isn't instant I am also under the assumption that you have got all the skill points from skyshards, group dungeons, quests, and 4 man's except from craglorn and alliance rank.

This goes beyond simple survivability. I'm WAY outmatched, it could very well be the lag I simply don't know. Going by my experiences though tells me it's a combination of both. Half the time I'm dead before I can even throw up the shield, other times I throw up the shield and before I have time to recovery I'm alreayd down to little or no health.

I'm 30 magicka 24 health. I would expect to have SOME ability to take hits even if I'm using light armor WITH Hardened Ward up. This isn't the case though 9/10 fights.

Playstyle: I can't even adapt to a playstyle because I'm killed too fast to experiment and all I have to go on is pve and well that isn't something you can base a pvp playstyle off of .

I had a guy I know who I don't even know if he plays anymore make me some armor vr2. Now while it's only vr2 it's actually way better than most of the junk I get questing, since most of it is ironically vr 1-2, I only JUST moved on to the vr3+ area and I'm almost vr7. I can't make anything half as decent as what I'm wearing either. It's mostly Magnus set with a bit of Night Mother, and magicka/stam on all of it as when he made it I was dualwield/destro staff. Stones on it are combo of divines, infused and impenetrable.

Sadly I haven't done much in the way of dungeons and trials or craglorn for that matter since hitting the VR's. Any dungeon I attempt we can't ever get past the first boss and I'm not really in any guilds so I don't have anyone who can run me through these dungeons for gear. I'm kind of SOL I guess.

You are wearing VR2 gear and you are wondering why you get melted? Seriously, my NB is maxed out with gear/skills/passives and if I don't use specific abilities to my advantage along with positioning, planning and a little restraint to pick the battles I can win, I am dead in the blink of an eye.

> Is anyone else getting tired of the pvp in this game?

I'm not. I'm having a blast.

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Dunno why everyone keeps saying stamina builds are OP.

Rush in, my critical charge hits the ground next to the enemy as they take no damage. Spam my wrecking blow bind and my character just stands there. Rare time I do hit it I either do 4k damage, or the enemy pops a shield and blocks the vast, vast majority of the damage.

...And this is what everyone is complaining about. Um, how about no, 2hander's completely terrible.

Said f*** that, try dual wield instead. I can do at least some damage, but not remarkable. Well, glad at least some of my attacks are connecting.

Using 5 Hundings, 3-4 Ashen. See people using Ravager, Morag Tong, etc in all their builds but I can't afford that fancy stuff.

Playing a DK, tried several different rotations, no success.

see i encountered the same problem with wrecking blow. I have learned to try using immovable while using it that way no one can really interupt ya when your using it Then you just spam till your hearts content

I'm not tired at all. I play PvP since beta and still am eager to log in every day to kill, defend or attack.

Oh yes, sometimes I have some skill on my bar that work in one situation and not in the other. But hey that's what I like. I remember playing Vanguard (I loved that game) and had 6 bars of 12 rows on my screen with skills. And I only used 5 which I placed in the first 5.

Yes in TESO I have 2 bars with 5 and sometimes I just miss that one skill. But I think that the more slots you give the more flavor of the months will run around. now you have to choose, adapt and learn. If you have 5 useless skills one one bar you night have to rethink your strategy though.

But no. If there was no PvP in the game I think I would have stopped playing 6 months ago. But the PvP is what keeps me going.