Wish we had PvP rather than SvP or SvS

bugmom · March 2015

The changes to siege are ruining the game. Taking a keep is pretty much impossible unless you have a huge zerg or the keep is empty. And even open field battles have changed because it have become siege versus siege out there.

Manoekin · March 2015

If only someone had warned us.

Stilliko · March 2015

Sorry, I have to disagree. I think its the best thing to happen to PvP since forward camps were removed!

I like the siege duels a LOT better than zerg duels. A lot of people haven't figured out that they need to stay out of siege at almost any cost. In siege duels, get off your siege and dodge out of incoming fire. In open field, flank the enemy's siege or charge the enemies siege line fast.

In castles fights, counter siege became extremely important. If the castle is defended the whole attacking group can't just ignore the defenders and burn down the wall. It has to deal with the castle defenders, as it should. If a group isn't smart, it can get wiped by a small, but smart group.

The more powerful siege has added a new level of strategy to the game, and people's tactics will quickly evolve. I don't think I've ever enjoyed PvP as much as I have been the last few days! Good job ZOS!

Valnas · March 2015

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Domander · March 2015

Battles are so much more epic with the increased siege use. It's great.

If you think it's impossible to take a keep... then I guess you should use more strategy than run in and attack whatever you can.

I've seen all kinds of different and fun strategies, on both attacking and defending forces.

xDOVAHKIINx · March 2015

Domander wrote: »

Battles are so much more epic with the increased siege use. It's great.

I bet you suck at PvP.

Domander · March 2015

xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Battles are so much more epic with the increased siege use. It's great.

I bet you suck at PvP.

Lmao.

awe, are you having trouble with the increased siege usage? all "skill" and no strategy?

You should probably avoid gambling.

Galalin · March 2015

xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Battles are so much more epic with the increased siege use. It's great.

I bet you suck at PvP.

Haha epic response filled with tons of insight.

DDuke · March 2015

xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Battles are so much more epic with the increased siege use. It's great.

I bet you suck at PvP.

...should he stand in the red circles like the "real PvPers" and then come to forums to complain?

Siege weapons are fine.

TequilaFire · March 2015

IDK, in spite of my previous opinions I am kind of enjoying the epic siege vs siege battles.
After the attackers siege is blown to bits you can go out and clean up all the stragglers pvp.

Sypher · March 2015

I personally like the new seige changes. But don't really care about the change anyways.

Tintinabula · March 2015

It used to be pvp..lining up skills..countering their skills..now its dodge ball.

Honfold · March 2015

I prefer anything to what we had. At least what we had in November when my sub ended, but from what I have heard it didn't change much till the siege buff.

Tintinabula · March 2015

well like tonight at Arrius LM..Enemy wanted to set up siege and pick us off..so..I said OK..whats good for the goose..got in the tower and picked off some myself with siege. When in Rome and all that bs.

Glurin · March 2015

On the topic of taking a keep being much more difficult, good. The defender should have a huge advantage when defending a fortified position like a keep. It makes no sense at all for the walls to not actually do anything to keep the enemy out.

Cody · March 2015

Avoid the red circles. I have poor eyesight and even I can see and avoid them.

Perphection · March 2015

The changes are good for *** players who couldn't compete previously, and now they're "good" because they sit back on their siege. The same could be said for everyone who spammed bats with 100% uptime, and PBAOE oil.

Lava_Croft · March 2015

Siege changes good.
People who have trouble adapting bad.

Poxheart · March 2015

It's funny how a lot of the people complaining about the changes to siege damage are the same people who were telling people to L2P back when folks complained about vampires tanking entire raids or people using multiple ground oils in a enclosed area.

Minnesinger · March 2015

Yesterday I saw fire ballistas used in the same manner as ground oil back in the days of oil pots everywhere. The damage is really high compared to anything else. I can agree that if this was intended to be the zerg busting mechanics it is working but did ZOS realize that the fire ballistas, for exmple, will be of such importance in every fight.

xDOVAHKIINx · March 2015

Poxheart wrote: »

It's funny how a lot of the people complaining about the changes to siege damage are the same people who were telling people to L2P back when folks complained about vampires tanking entire raids or people using multiple ground oils in a enclosed area.

The whole "stay out of the AOE" card does not fit well with the PvP community's history, considering DK standard has been nerfed 5 times along with other ultimates and AOE's (i.e. ground oil), which is exactly the same thing as the current siege damage.

People are just so daft.

xDOVAHKIINx · March 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Siege changes good.
People who have trouble adapting bad.

Right, so instead of bad players "learning to adapt" to actually play the game, everybody has to learn how to adapt to the bad players who love siege? interesting, ill just write that down in my "stupidest thing i have ever read" notebook. Also ill check that off my bucket list

BUCKET LIST

[ x ] Loose 16,000 brain cells from reading on-line stupidity.

WRX · March 2015

Well good news ZoS says the changes are not intended.

Can't wait to see all the bad players cry when they can't one shot everyone with siege and need to learn how to organize or fight.

VagabondAngel · March 2015

xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »

Right, so instead of bad players "learning to adapt" to actually play the game, everybody has to learn how to adapt to the bad players who love siege?

No, its about bad players adapting to the fact that siege weapons are now actually dangerous and serve a purpose other than 20 Ballista vs Wall. Healers at a siege now earn their ap and taking a keep has to be organised with good support. Got to hand it to the NBs who now stealth in and out of enemy lines and take down the operators to turn the tide of an open anti-personel siege, or Dunmer DKs with fire resistance buffed, storming the front lines.

Zergs can no longer lag a keep defence to win and pretty much all siege weapons now have a specific usefulness.

Build for survivability
Purge
Roll Dodge
Hire a pocket Templar

Welcome to PvP as it should have always been.

VagabondAngel · March 2015

WRX wrote: »

Well good news ZoS says the changes are not intended.

Can't wait to see all the bad players cry when they can't one shot everyone with siege and need to learn how to organize or fight.

If true, that is a real shame. Hopefully it isn't just a case of whining -> nerf. I have been running with my noob character alot since the siege change - level 38 stamina Templar, and I haven't even unlocked Purify or Purge yet and you know, I don't die evey time someone puts up a fire ballista or meatbag. Nor do I spend my time standing behind one booming the enemy from a safe distance.

I never thought I'd say this myself but learning to play does seem to be a big issue as soon as something becomes a challenge.

AbraXuSeXile · March 2015

VagabondAngel wrote: »

xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »

Right, so instead of bad players "learning to adapt" to actually play the game, everybody has to learn how to adapt to the bad players who love siege?

No, its about bad players adapting to the fact that siege weapons are now actually dangerous and serve a purpose other than 20 Ballista vs Wall. Healers at a siege now earn their ap and taking a keep has to be organised with good support. Got to hand it to the NBs who now stealth in and out of enemy lines and take down the operators to turn the tide of an open anti-personel siege, or Dunmer DKs with fire resistance buffed, storming the front lines.

Zergs can no longer lag a keep defence to win and pretty much all siege weapons now have a specific usefulness.

Build for survivability
Purge
Roll Dodge
Hire a pocket Templar

Welcome to PvP as it should have always been.

The last line really made me chuckle, Good one.

frozywozy · March 2015

WRX wrote: »

Well good news ZoS says the changes are not intended.

Can't wait to see all the bad players cry when they can't one shot everyone with siege and need to learn how to organize or fight.

Can't wait to see all the organized players adapt like they were supposed to to be able to counter the siege damage correctly instead of whining about it all day.

Philthyorc · March 2015

The siege is okay I suppose, but it's going to get old real fast. This change just furthers the need for some sort of arena/ dueling aspect of PVP Zos ... Quit being silly and give us a way to have fair fights if we do so desire them.

Poxheart · March 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Well good news ZoS says the changes are not intended.

Can't wait to see all the bad players cry when they can't one shot everyone with siege and need to learn how to organize or fight.

Can't wait to see all the organized players adapt like they were supposed to to be able to counter the siege damage correctly instead of whining about it all day.

Exactly.

Draxys · March 2015

WRX wrote: »

Well good news ZoS says the changes are not intended.

Can't wait to see all the bad players cry when they can't one shot everyone with siege and need to learn how to organize or fight.

PvP > PvRedCircles

Jauriel · March 2015

xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Battles are so much more epic with the increased siege use. It's great.

I bet you suck at PvP.

ZOS why do you allow this person to run around this forum and troll every post nonstop and never contribute anything of substance????