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Should ZOS Finally Just Allow Us To Roll Max Level Characters?
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No - because reasons...I want to vote both here. No, we shouldn't be able to skip all the content and instantly have a VR14, that would be stupid. There should however be an option, once you've cleared Cadwell's Gold, to have an alternative method of getting the skill points you get from questing.
I really want to roll an alt, but I am not going to run through the exact same stories twice or more to do so. So until this is changed, my alts will be materially handicapped. Me no likey.
It would be great if all the zones unlocked when you finish the main quest.
Now it is a little more viable to earn XP in Cyrodiil if you are primarily a PVP player but there is still an obligation to spend a lot of time doing PVE quests. Many just want to go into Cadwell's Silver/Gold zones to collect the skyshards and return to PVP.
We can already go to Craglorn and Cadwell's Silver area as soon as we finish the main quest, so it's a bit odd that the VR5-10 zones in Cadwell's gold are locked off.
If I didn't do any of the quests from my own faction zones, why am I doing so many Almanac quests for the enemy faction to unlock VR5 zone?
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Edited by IcyDeadPeople on March 27, 2015 2:41PM0 -
frould✭✭✭No - because reasons...Pay money to play the game then pay again to skip content. lol rethink ppl. If TES story is boring this game don't even worth to look at.After cheating a game, have fun in a short time, all good the turn to boring, uninstall never comeback. this away happened to me don't you have this moment?0 -
Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!Absolutely without any room to negotiate should this be allowed!
Games like this the leveling is a crucial part of the experience.
No
I voted yes, although I wont probably prefer an actual *purchase VR14 char for xxx$ here* thing. Its rather like there should be something, which will make things easier in the second, third, maybe fourth run.
I started playing at the beginning of the year, and right now I am VR6, 32, 21 and 7. Although I consider myself a casual player (having a full time job, sports 3 times a week, "real life"), I found that I really play *a lot*. That is, I spend like maybe 10-20hrs a week.
Given this, I currently find myself in a situation where I more and more lose intereset in *the story*, starting for the third time (= cadwells gold now) to free some faction of evil corruption and monsters. Dont get me wrong, I agree the story is fundamental, and I loved level 1-50, I loved the main story, and I absolutely enjoyed playing it.
But now, with starting gold, I feel like I have cleared a thousand corrupted crypts already, saved kidnapped kings and queens - stuff only repeats over and over again, like artificially streching the game without any real content.
As it stands, I dont think I am going to reach VR14 any time soon, maybe Ill achieve this around summer or something. Still when I should arrive at VR14, there will be stuff to do for me, like maxing out gear, doing high level dungeons, investing more time into PVP.
This means, for the xx bucks i paid, I really got *a lot* of game to play, and basically this is really great.
But now also consider this:
1) I paid for the game
2) The game features 4 classes, and having paid for this, I somewhat consider it my right to be able to play all 4
3) Taking my average time of 6 months to reach VR14, I will reach my last VR14 in more than 1,5 years
While this might sound like a real awesome playtime/money ratio, all it really is is plain boring and annoying to the last. What will more likely happen is that in summer I decide "crap, NO WAI i'm going through all this *again*", and just stop playing. Or what If you want to try different races, for the boni or even just the RP? Should this content be only for those who are willing to invest insane amounts of time into this, doing what they already did *over and over again*?
To all of you guys who clearly voted NO, one question:
Are you honestly saying you will enjoy this kind of journey of weeks and months, maybe years, to get more than one character to VR14?
So what I am think about, is not a simple "get me new max level character now" feature. Because I fully agree that learning and playing a new class should be done by leveling from zero to max. I always liked unlocking new stuff, getting this one new skill which will make you feel more powerful, and so on.
So what we *should* have, is the possibility to speed up maxing another character. The time you already invested into the game should be something positive, and not something which only gives you this "oh noes, not this again" feelings. And I feel like the champion system already goes into the same direction (but to be honest, as other players already suggested, alts *should* be able to collect CPs, else this system is really broken/unusable).
Maybe imagine a system where you:
- Get % more xp for every VR14 character you have. Maybe make it even scale with the highest level character you have (not necessarily VR14)
- Make the questing/story so that you can easily skip side quests. E.g. the "main path" through a zone is highlighted, which allows you to quickly travel through only the main points of interest, effectively skipping most of the boring, repeatable stuff
Essentially you should be allowed to from 1-VR14 much, much, much faster once you did it for the first time.
What do you think?
Right, very well said.
There needs to be something, anything, to alleviate the portions of the game that often feel like a 2nd job for some of us (within reason, of course).
I don't find it enjoyable to have to slog through hours of monotony any time I want to try something new.
I feel I've done enough and have earned my due.
I should have been more clear in my OP as to exactly what I meant... and, although I do firmly believe "free" v14s are coming whether we like it or not, I don't think it would be too unfair to have access be reserved to those who've completed the majority of the content at least once.
..Because, seriously, how many times can you assume an identity, speak to a ghost, or get betrayed by an ally before you realise that there was never that much variety to begin with?
As some have said, and the only viable alternative, imho, is for Zenimax to start producing some of their promised content...0 -
Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - because reasons...Hell No.
When VR ranks are removed you will have it easy enough. Level to 50 and still have all champion points you have ever earned.
That's making it easy enough. Too easy in my opinion.Edited by Elijah_Crow on March 27, 2015 1:50PM0 -
Naor_Sarethi✭✭✭No - because reasons...OP, this may not be the right game for you if you hate questing.
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Nermy✭✭✭✭✭No - because reasons...If yes, then what's the point of the rest of the game?
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albinokitten✭✭✭I'm torn on the situation.
I don't think getting a max character without any work belongs in an MMO...
but on the other hand I really hate making alts because I feel a year behind.
I would take advantage of anything ZOS added to make it easier to level though.
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Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It sounds like what you want to play is a single player RPG with console commands, not an MMO.Daggerfall Covenant
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gard✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but only for PvPRDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »If you want to "test" maxed characters, go to the PTS. If you are wanting to bypass the game itself, sorry this is not a pay to win game. The story is the game.
Just playing devil's advocate here.
If everyone had the option of creating a max level character, then how would that be pay to win?
The OP has a point. Some people aren't interested in the quests and story and just want to pvp.
For them "the game" isn't questing and leveling.
Some have already played through all the content and just don't want to go through that again.
How many players is the game losing because they just don't feel like dealing with the grind?
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gard✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but only for PvPfirstdecan wrote: »Doesn't Cyrodiil scale everyone to VR12 now? Kind of defeats the purpose of needing a max level character to be competitive. As a faux-VR12 you'll still be a little gimped compared to actual VR12-14s, but how big is that difference?
What about skills?
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Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!If yes, then what's the point of the rest of the game?
What's the point of the game past the original story? Or past Cadwell's Silver and Gold? ..Past Craglorn?
Repeatedly running Trials? Yawn.
Another trip to the Dragonstar Arena? Yawn.
If we've played all the game has to offer, and then some, what is the point? Just keep mindlessly repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?
At what point do you become the human equivalent of bots?
Can you honestly tell me that those of you who've levelled multiple v14s have actually enjoyed doing so? That you immersed yourselves in the story the 2nd time? 3rd? 4th!? Listened to all of the lines of dialogue?
Give me a break.
This game desperately needs an actual expansion... or a cheap to program, easy way to squeeze more enjoyment out of this content starved product.0 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - because reasons...Finally? The game is just under a year old.
I am in favor of making more things account-wide, so you needn't restart every grind to play an alt. Alliance Rank and Riding Skill are the two glaring examples. The former because it takes so very long to reach a high rank, and the latter because it's nothing but a time-bound goldsink.
If CP's weren't account wide, almost nobody would have non-mule alts. ZOS should extend this philosophy a bit further.
Edited by Snit on March 27, 2015 2:21PMSnit AD Sorc
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Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No - because reasons...TequilaFire wrote: »Try delete it is cheaper!
When something is so fundamentally corrupted and deserving of excision?
If ESO goes this route then my answer will be... Nah, burning is the safest way.0 -
Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!Naor_Sarethi wrote: »OP, this may not be the right game for you if you hate questing.
I don't hate questing. I hate repeating the same inane quests over and over.Sallington wrote: »It sounds like what you want to play is a single player RPG with console commands, not an MMO.
I play a ton of SP CRPGs, don't you worry. I've got my quality questing fix, covered.
..And, again, it's not MMOs that are the issue... it's this one not having bothered to release sufficient new content to justify playing it.
ps- Pillars of Eternity is really good and you should all play it. (unless, of course, you're too happily immersed in the 419th time you've beaten Molag Bal...)0 -
lordxyrax_ESO✭✭✭No - because reasons...Plenty of other options out their for the "I WANT IT NOW!!!" crowd. Leave this one as is. If anything, extend the time it takes to hit max lvl.
I just don't get it. People complain it takes too long to get to end game. Then they complain the game is too easy. Which is it? Pick one and stick with it.Edited by lordxyrax_ESO on March 27, 2015 2:26PM2 -
Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!Finally? The game is just under a year old.
I am in favor of making more things account-wide, so you needn't restart every grind to play an alt. Alliance Rank and Riding Skill are the two glaring examples. The former because it takes so very long to reach a high rank, and the latter because it's nothing but a time-bound goldsink.
If CP's weren't account wide, almost nobody would have non-mule alts. ZOS should extend this philosophy a bit further.
There's an idea the could work..
If Zeni made skill points account wide levelling alts would be far more enjoyable. Maybe have it so that each skyshard only needs to be collected by any one character.
That would be a reasonable compromise between those that want to play through the storyline when ever they roll an alt... and those of us who'd like to cut down on the tedium of doing so.Edited by Grim13 on March 27, 2015 2:38PM0 -
Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!TequilaFire wrote: »Try delete it is cheaper!
When something is so fundamentally corrupted and deserving of excision?
If ESO goes this route then my answer will be... Nah, burning is the safest way.
I bet you said that about B2P too...0 -
Necrelios✭✭✭✭✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!I have characters parked around level 50 on each alliance and they won't ever see the light of day unless some new content becomes available, since I've already done all those quests and although they might feel like new to me in another year or so, right now they are still too fresh for it not get boring repeating the same content over, and over, and over, and over again.
I think the more pressing concern could be lack of new content allowing interesting and diverse ways to progress, especially since it's going to be a while before we get to see any of that new stuff like Imperial City or Orsinium. With VR ranks supposedly going away and depending on how the future content is scaled to level, it could all be a moot point anyways.
Giving as how this game changes directions faster than a Texas Twister you just never know what's coming. If they do add this service, I would hope it had some reasonable restrictions with it that kept it from abuse and that it was only available to players after achieving max level on a single character.Terms & Conditions ["We revoke permission to fictional legal constructs or private/public persons for selling of any private data, censorship, surveillance, personage or conversion as a trespass of law. We prohibit the practice of "procedural law" or corporate statues in place of divine law."]1 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - because reasons...Man I can't believe what is being posted with this game.
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ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭Depends on two things:- How long it's going to take to get rid of VR levels and gold/silver &
- If they're going ahead with those stupid EXP pots.
If both those boxes are ticked then sure, why not? Saves me grinding VR with paid for exp boosts. I'll just buy the levelled char outright if we're headed in that direction.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges1 -
Naor_Sarethi✭✭✭No - because reasons...Why do you repeat quests then? This game is particularly made with the 1char = all the content formula.
That's why Cadwells exists.
It's one of the least alt friendly games i know.
So best to stick to one char and max him out.
IF you could buy v14's, it would destroy what's left of the game.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Bloodystab wrote: »
Insta v14 for everyone = 90% population running with actual Meta characters. This patch it would be Imperial Templars shooting Jesus beams. In next patch? Who know. Maybe Orc Sorcerers ^_^
My Orc Sorcerers (both of them) are not smiling.
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Aerieth✭✭✭No - because reasons...My only problem with the current system is that Veteran Ranks are too much of a pain to get. If they made the exp gain from quests so that you'd only need to finish the main story on each area to gain that Veteran Rank, I'd be happy. Currently, you need to pretty much clear all content on each zone to be able to get to VR10 by the end of your Cadwell's Gold.
TL;DR - Leveling system is fine, exp gain is not. Quest Experience needs to be increased drastically.@Aerieth - PC EU Megaserver
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Khazai✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!lordxyrax_ESO wrote: »Plenty of other options out their for the "I WANT IT NOW!!!" crowd. Leave this one as is. If anything, extend the time it takes to hit max lvl.
I just don't get it. People complain it takes too long to get to end game. Then they complain the game is too easy. Which is it? Pick one and stick with it.
Correct me when I'm wrong, but difficulty has nothing to do with time consumption.
[edit] To be precise:
The current insane amount of time needed to reach VR14 has nothing to do with difficulty. This thread is about people complaining it takes too long.
The other discussion - its too easy - has nothing to do with it. In fact, making things harder, will actually make the journey to VR14 *even longer*.Edited by Khazai on March 27, 2015 3:19PM0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!I said yes, because my time is actually valuable to me.
I spent MONTHS leveling my Sorc to VR14 and carefully theory-crafting builds capable of tackling the toughest content, then ZoS decides to NERF Sorcerers into the ground. Now I have to start over again with another class if I want to have a really strong build... either that, or spend ten years grinding my way to 3600 CP.
The LEAST ZoS could do after jacking up so many builds is give us an option in the Crown Store to buy a leveled character. They could charge $100, and it would STILL be cheaper than the time cost of leveling to VR14, even if you only make minimum wage!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
ParcivalGodrigsonSoul ShrivenYes, but only for PvPI say yes for PVP wise only. ESO is rich with questing content and exploration itself - unlike other MMO's it actually offers something to go through in 3 different alliances (Plus, there's some small choice making here and there not to mention, you probably missed a few quests).
PVP on the other hand - someone who simply wants to take in the game and enjoy its time may sometimes sadly level his char slower - some simply just don't really like or have the time to level up quick or the motivation but still want to partake in the high end PVP. So this option really could help bring more folks into it.0 -
Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - because reasons...I voted no because you can't get a feel for playing a new character just by getting them at max level. The whole point of leveling a character is to learn them, try out different builds. You have to grow with your character. There isn't a short cut to this really. You can't just get a max level character and expect to be effective with them anytime soon. It all takes time.
I am all for changing your Race if you want though. With changing your Race after hitting V14, there would be minimal differences between your starting and ending. Only the Racial passives would play into effect and wounld't change your character that much.NA Server - Kildair0 -
BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭No - because reasons...These polls and "suggestions" are getting too ridiculous.
How you think you can even rationally suggest this beyond me.Edited by BlackEar on March 27, 2015 3:26PMBjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭No - because reasons...Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I said yes, because my time is actually valuable to me.
I spent MONTHS leveling my Sorc to VR14 and carefully theory-crafting builds capable of tackling the toughest content, then ZoS decides to NERF Sorcerers into the ground. Now I have to start over again with another class if I want to have a really strong build... either that, or spend ten years grinding my way to 3600 CP.
The LEAST ZoS could do after jacking up so many builds is give us an option in the Crown Store to buy a leveled character. They could charge $100, and it would STILL be cheaper than the time cost of leveling to VR14, even if you only make minimum wage!
It is not a time cost.
If this is how you feel then you should not play the game.Bjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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