Should ZOS Finally Just Allow Us To Roll Max Level Characters?

Grim13

I want to play other maxed out Characters and Classes but I don't have the stomach to grind to v14 or play through PvE anymore...

Should ZOS finally just allow us to create v14 characters from scratch with a full compliment of skill points?

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Either that, or make skill points account wide.

As it stands, the thought of playing through 1-50+Caldwell's Gold and Silver again makes me want to vomit.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

No - because reasons...

If you want to "test" maxed characters, go to the PTS. If you are wanting to bypass the game itself, sorry this is not a pay to win game. The story is the game.

MorHawk

No - because reasons...

I want to vote both here. No, we shouldn't be able to skip all the content and instantly have a VR14, that would be stupid. There should however be an option, once you've cleared Cadwell's Gold, to have an alternative method of getting the skill points you get from questing.

I really want to roll an alt, but I am not going to run through the exact same stories twice or more to do so. So until this is changed, my alts will be materially handicapped. Me no likey.

Saucy_Jack

No - because reasons...

When you say "finally", do you mean "barely a year after launch"?

Borderlands 2's been out for way longer than a year; it's online; it's multiplayer. Does Borderlands 2 allow you to just "roll a max level character"? No. Why? Because you get to earn it.

If having a max level character for pvp or endgame or whatever is so important to anyone, they'll put in the time and effort to get their toon there. If it's not that important, they won't.

So the question is...how important is having a max level toon to you?

Razzak

Yes, but only for PvP

I vote "No" for anything PVE related, but I think PvP will be needing such option in the future.

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

When you say "finally", do you mean "barely a year after launch"?

Borderlands 2's been out for way longer than a year; it's online; it's multiplayer. Does Borderlands 2 allow you to just "roll a max level character"? No. Why? Because you get to earn it.

If having a max level character for pvp or endgame or whatever is so important to anyone, they'll put in the time and effort to get their toon there. If it's not that important, they won't.

So the question is...how important is having a max level toon to you?

I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but there's not been a lot of new content to play through "Barely a year after launch"...

Not to mention several other MMOs offer higher level characters at start, now (yes, they've been out longer)... and for two very good reasons: 1) to interest new players and 2) to combat boredom amongst the old ones...

With all of this great new content we have to raise characters levels through (sarc) I'd say right about now is the perfect time to start alleviating boredom. For retention's sake.

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As for how important having another max level character is to me?

Let's just say I'm more likely to quit playing than level another character to v14.

Elsonso

No - because reasons...

The standard answer: this is an MMO RPG and character development from baby to elder is a core part of that.

This still stands, even a year later.

While I agree that Cadwell is not the most desirable leveling path, my thought is that Cadwell needs to be fixed. Players should not just leap over it. Fix Cadwell, save the game!

Bloodystab

No - because reasons...

Grate idea, also we should get Top Items and every skill point in the game.

As bonus everyone should get Bot that play for him.


WTF is wrong with Gamers this days? Everything on hand otherwise bawww...

"I want to play this game but without LEVELING!!"

wOOOOt_of_SD

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

I have 2 V14, and there is no way in hell, im going through 1-50+silver and gold Again.
So yes please - i would like to try other classes and races at endgame too.

Theosis

No - because reasons...

Absolutely without any room to negotiate should this be allowed!

Games like this the leveling is a crucial part of the experience.

No

dawnhawk

No - because reasons...

No for all the reasons above which I tagged. I've never been one to tell someone they have to play a game... But I'llnever understand why so many seemly want to skip the play part but still "be part of the experience".

Flaminir

No - because reasons...

I don't understand the reasoning behind all of these requests to skip playing huge chunks of the game.

If people want quick fixes & ways to skip the game... then why are they playing???

But that being said, I do think that once you have done all the content once that maybe you should be able to get a template toon to that level.

There are lots of issues to think about though.. champion system in particular. Wouldn't want something introduced which could be exploited to allow too easy/quick CP progression.

Also.... if you just pick up a template V14 on a new class then you'd have no idea how to play it... the levelling process is really important in learning the class/character, & makes you a better player.

Bloodystab

No - because reasons...

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

I have 2 V14, and there is no way in hell, im going through 1-50+silver and gold Again.
So yes please - i would like to try other classes and races at endgame too.

Enjoy PTS if You are altoholic.

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Bloodystab wrote: »

Grate idea, also we should get Top Items and every skill point in the game.

As bonus everyone should get Bot that play for him.


WTF is wrong with Gamers this days? Everything on hand otherwise bawww...

"I want to play this game but without LEVELING!!"

That's not the issue. Not even remotely.

The issue is that I've done the 1-50... and Cadwell's Silver and Gold... and the Craglorn grind... I've been there, done that.

How about if you only got to roll fresh v14 characters if you've levelled one already?

Either give me new content where there's actually a hope that I'll enjoy levelling again... or allow me to skip the nauseating doldrums of playing the same crap, over and over.

istateres

No - because reasons...

I'm fine with offering VR1 characters, but not VR14.

It is understandable that you might not want to do the 1-50 content again (note, I have completed it 3 times, with 2 more in progress).

HOWEVER, it isn't easy to manage skill points for a VR1 offereing. Clearly they would need some, but you can't just give them X amount without taking away X amount of quests etc. that provide them. Also, at what level would your skills be? 50? Would you need to level each skill?

So, while I can see the need for VR1 characters, I think offereing them is more trouble then its worth. I continue to suggest and support XP boosters instead, so long as they do NOT boost CP gain.

firstdecan

Doesn't Cyrodiil scale everyone to VR12 now? Kind of defeats the purpose of needing a max level character to be competitive. As a faux-VR12 you'll still be a little gimped compared to actual VR12-14s, but how big is that difference?

Jaxsun

Yes, but only for PvP

Grim13 wrote: »

Either that, or make skill points account wide.

As it stands, the thought of playing through 1-50+Caldwell's Gold and Silver again makes me want to vomit.

I have a V14 and haven't finished gold yet, and the thought if finishing it is nauseating....

Iluvrien

No - because reasons...

Yes if you have already done Cadwell's Silver/Gold once... however every time that character steps outside PVP then they should find themselves in concentric rings of Dread Liches/Trolls that will munch them from here to eternity.

So, generally.... no.

Bloodystab

No - because reasons...

Grim13 wrote: »

Bloodystab wrote: »

Grate idea, also we should get Top Items and every skill point in the game.

As bonus everyone should get Bot that play for him.


WTF is wrong with Gamers this days? Everything on hand otherwise bawww...

"I want to play this game but without LEVELING!!"

That's not the issue. Not even remotely.

The issue is that I've done the 1-50... and Cadwell's Silver and Gold... and the Craglorn grind... I've been there, done that.

How about if you only got to roll fresh v14 characters if you've levelled one already?

Either give me new content where there's actually a hope that I'll enjoy levelling again... or allow me to skip the nauseating doldrums of playing the same crap, over and over.

Insta v14 for everyone = 90% population running with actual Meta characters. This patch it would be Imperial Templars shooting Jesus beams. In next patch? Who know. Maybe Orc Sorcerers ^_^

Also if Your main character have no single point in crafting? No problem i just roll new v14 with all skill points so I can place everything in crafting.

Idea is gamebreaking. China farmers selling accounts V14 with access to EVERY!!!! Race class combo of Your desire. Its even easiers to sell things like that.

People need to see further than their end of nose.

I grew on games where bad decisions at beginning was leading to waste of months of game time just to reroll new character. In current times there's no games like this - You can easy change skills, attributes (in other games even Race) etc. And You know what? I miss that days!

BBSooner

No - because reasons...

I'd rather fix the problem (give us better options for leveling like additional zones or content), than fix the symptom (just letting us bypass the levelling in the first place).

SantieClaws

No - because reasons...

No because

a) it goes against everything this sort of game is supposed to be about - character journey and development etc

b) ZOS will do much better from selling you all those crown xp pots if you are so desperate to get to max level

I have been playing since launch. Highest I have is a VR6 and mostly I play on the VR1. Haven't actually completed a single quest since the justice system came in - been enjoying stealing so much.

Sit back and enjoy the journey. Spend some time down the tavern or just dancing in the middle of town. The little silly things make a game - as they do in life.

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Bloodystab wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Bloodystab wrote: »

Grate idea, also we should get Top Items and every skill point in the game.

As bonus everyone should get Bot that play for him.


WTF is wrong with Gamers this days? Everything on hand otherwise bawww...

"I want to play this game but without LEVELING!!"

That's not the issue. Not even remotely.

The issue is that I've done the 1-50... and Cadwell's Silver and Gold... and the Craglorn grind... I've been there, done that.

How about if you only got to roll fresh v14 characters if you've levelled one already?

Either give me new content where there's actually a hope that I'll enjoy levelling again... or allow me to skip the nauseating doldrums of playing the same crap, over and over.

Insta v14 for everyone = 90% population running with actual Meta characters. This patch it would be Imperial Templars shooting Jesus beams. In next patch? Who know. Maybe Orc Sorcerers ^_^

Also if Your main character have no single point in crafting? No problem i just roll new v14 with all skill points so I can place everything in crafting.

Idea is gamebreaking. China farmers selling accounts V14 with access to EVERY!!!! Race class combo of Your desire. Its even easiers to sell things like that.

People need to see further than their end of nose.

I grew on games where bad decisions at beginning was leading to waste of months of game time just to reroll new character. In current times there's no games like this - You can easy change skills, attributes (in other games even Race) etc. And You know what? I miss that days!

Why would Chinese Farmers be selling accounts that anyone could make? lol

End of your nose indeed.

TequilaFire

No - because reasons...

You need to earn not pay your way to the top to have any credibility.
That being said there should be alternate ways to level instead of just Cadwell's like new
content and creative grind spots that present some challenge.
For the PvP crowd some arena type combat and smaller scale pvp quests would go along way.
At the very least you should have to level a VR14 once, with the compromise being it is account wide.

Psychobunni

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

If we didn't have the stupid phasing and could choose any faction and pve with any faction, then I would say no. As it stands I would gladly kill off all of EP's leaders myself just because I hate the storyline so much now.

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

I will say this: I'm surprised by how many people are against the idea.

Part of me wonders how many of those against the idea are mainly PvE'ers and how many of those in favour are PvP'ers.

How many of the nays are new players and how many have been here since beta.

Regardless...

Mark my words -> this will eventually come to ESO. Just like B2P has... and F2P will. It is inevitable.

Khazai

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Theosis wrote: »

Absolutely without any room to negotiate should this be allowed!

Games like this the leveling is a crucial part of the experience.

No

I voted yes, although I wont probably prefer an actual *purchase VR14 char for xxx$ here* thing. Its rather like there should be something, which will make things easier in the second, third, maybe fourth run.

I started playing at the beginning of the year, and right now I am VR6, 32, 21 and 7. Although I consider myself a casual player (having a full time job, sports 3 times a week, "real life"), I found that I really play *a lot*. That is, I spend like maybe 10-20hrs a week.
Given this, I currently find myself in a situation where I more and more lose intereset in *the story*, starting for the third time (= cadwells gold now) to free some faction of evil corruption and monsters. Dont get me wrong, I agree the story is fundamental, and I loved level 1-50, I loved the main story, and I absolutely enjoyed playing it.
But now, with starting gold, I feel like I have cleared a thousand corrupted crypts already, saved kidnapped kings and queens - stuff only repeats over and over again, like artificially streching the game without any real content.

As it stands, I dont think I am going to reach VR14 any time soon, maybe Ill achieve this around summer or something. Still when I should arrive at VR14, there will be stuff to do for me, like maxing out gear, doing high level dungeons, investing more time into PVP.

This means, for the xx bucks i paid, I really got *a lot* of game to play, and basically this is really great.

But now also consider this:

1) I paid for the game
2) The game features 4 classes, and having paid for this, I somewhat consider it my right to be able to play all 4
3) Taking my average time of 6 months to reach VR14, I will reach my last VR14 in more than 1,5 years

While this might sound like a real awesome playtime/money ratio, all it really is is plain boring and annoying to the last. What will more likely happen is that in summer I decide "crap, NO WAI i'm going through all this *again*", and just stop playing. Or what If you want to try different races, for the boni or even just the RP? Should this content be only for those who are willing to invest insane amounts of time into this, doing what they already did *over and over again*?

To all of you guys who clearly voted NO, one question:
Are you honestly saying you will enjoy this kind of journey of weeks and months, maybe years, to get more than one character to VR14?

So what I am think about, is not a simple "get me new max level character now" feature. Because I fully agree that learning and playing a new class should be done by leveling from zero to max. I always liked unlocking new stuff, getting this one new skill which will make you feel more powerful, and so on.

So what we *should* have, is the possibility to speed up maxing another character. The time you already invested into the game should be something positive, and not something which only gives you this "oh noes, not this again" feelings. And I feel like the champion system already goes into the same direction (but to be honest, as other players already suggested, alts *should* be able to collect CPs, else this system is really broken/unusable).

Maybe imagine a system where you:

- Get % more xp for every VR14 character you have. Maybe make it even scale with the highest level character you have (not necessarily VR14)
- Make the questing/story so that you can easily skip side quests. E.g. the "main path" through a zone is highlighted, which allows you to quickly travel through only the main points of interest, effectively skipping most of the boring, repeatable stuff

Essentially you should be allowed to from 1-VR14 much, much, much faster once you did it for the first time.

What do you think?

Bloodystab

No - because reasons...

ofc everyone can make. Same as gold, levels, titles, rare achievements, mounts etc.

If there is demand there is supply - simple like that.

EOT from me, don't want to argue with kid.

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Bloodystab wrote: »

ofc everyone can make. Same as gold, levels, titles, rare achievements, mounts etc.

If there is demand there is supply - simple like that.

EOT from me, don't want to argue with kid.

Iluvrien

No - because reasons...

Grim13 wrote: »

Mark my words -> this will eventually come to ESO. Just like B2P has... and F2P will. It is inevitable.

And on that day I burn the SSD that ESO currently resides on.

TequilaFire

No - because reasons...

Iluvrien wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Mark my words -> this will eventually come to ESO. Just like B2P has... and F2P will. It is inevitable.

And on that day I burn the SSD that ESO currently resides on.

Try delete it is cheaper!