Should ZOS Finally Just Allow Us To Roll Max Level Characters?

ernestoPresto

No - because reasons...

Bloodystab wrote: »

People need to see further than their end of nose.

**edit after reading more of the replies made by OP **

Being able to explore more options of the game with your high level character does sound like something already established players should be able to do. Perhaps some sort of option to open up classes to your character after they've maxed out v14 in one class? I don't vote for an entirely 'free] maxed rank option, but some sort of concession could be amicable.

I was pleasantly surprised when they added in the option to skip the cold-harbor tutorial for additional characters on your account, but allowed you the option to do it if you wished. The same with noob island in the Ebonheart Pact. Mind you, I usually go back and do those quests anyway, but for players who've experienced it and don't want to, it's a decent compromise.

**end edit**

^ entirely my vote. Also, this is my opinion, and I don't think everyone should have the same as me. So don't get your pantaloons in a waddle if you disagree with me.

What happens when you pay 60 bucks for a /non/ mmo game? you get one character, generally - repeat, generally one storyline to follow, and rarely level cap extending DLC. Playing up to the end of the game is supposed to be the fun part.

I guess I've never been a 'serious' mmo player in that I will not grind for exp. I've got 6 characters on ESO, my account has been active since beta phase 3 and I've been enjoying every minute of my gameplay since day one. Also, my highest level character is level 37. I've played the game for 12 months and have been able to hold off on grinding my way through the game. I actually don't want to level quickly. What's the point? The fun is in getting there, not being there. Once you get max skills/rank/gear, there's not much more to do.

I read a lot of complaints about that being the trouble with MMO games but I believe that the whole point behind an MMO is to be able to play with other people. That's the sole underlying point of a massively multiplayer online game, right? The levels, skill points, gear rarity, those are just tropes that we've come to expect in the genre, but they really should be the defining factors.

*shrug* I dunno, everyone's got what they're looking for in the perfect game. I, personally, hope ZMS never sets ESO to buy-to-win. There are plenty of those games out there and there's a reason I'm not playing any of those.

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

ernestoPresto wrote: »

Bloodystab wrote: »

People need to see further than their end of nose.

**edit after reading more of the replies made by OP **

Being able to explore more options of the game with your high level character does sound like something already established players should be able to do. Perhaps some sort of option to open up classes to your character after they've maxed out v14 in one class? I don't vote for an entirely 'free] maxed rank option, but some sort of concession could be amicable.

I was pleasantly surprised when they added in the option to skip the cold-harbor tutorial for additional characters on your account, but allowed you the option to do it if you wished. The same with noob island in the Ebonheart Pact. Mind you, I usually go back and do those quests anyway, but for players who've experienced it and don't want to, it's a decent compromise.

**end edit**

^ entirely my vote. Also, this is my opinion, and I don't think everyone should have the same as me. So don't get your pantaloons in a waddle if you disagree with me.

What happens when you pay 60 bucks for a /non/ mmo game? you get one character, generally - repeat, generally one storyline to follow, and rarely level cap extending DLC. Playing up to the end of the game is supposed to be the fun part.

I guess I've never been a 'serious' mmo player in that I will not grind for exp. I've got 6 characters on ESO, my account has been active since beta phase 3 and I've been enjoying every minute of my gameplay since day one. Also, my highest level character is level 37. I've played the game for 12 months and have been able to hold off on grinding my way through the game. I actually don't want to level quickly. What's the point? The fun is in getting there, not being there. Once you get max skills/rank/gear, there's not much more to do.

I read a lot of complaints about that being the trouble with MMO games but I believe that the whole point behind an MMO is to be able to play with other people. That's the sole underlying point of a massively multiplayer online game, right? The levels, skill points, gear rarity, those are just tropes that we've come to expect in the genre, but they really should be the defining factors.

*shrug* I dunno, everyone's got what they're looking for in the perfect game. I, personally, hope ZMS never sets ESO to buy-to-win. There are plenty of those games out there and there's a reason I'm not playing any of those.

Thanks for taking the time to read the thread.

Tapio75

No - because reasons...

No, because it would completely remove progression and viability of lower level areas.

Instead (ONCE AGAIN), i would love an option to just scale my character to content he or sahe is currently venturing. This way i could do quests in any order i wwant, i could travel where i want and still have the progression that leveling and skillpoints give to me.

skarvika

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

I get your frustration. That's why after a year I'm still just vr6. If I'm in DC and want to play the AD/EP PVE content, I'll make an alt and go through it that way. I think it would be a good option to have for players who might just want to jump into PVP, dungeons or vet content; I can't really see what it could hurt at this point.

Nestor

Go play WOW if you want a max level character out of the gate.

I have 4 main characters, one in each class. It did not kill me to level these characters and I can play any class that I want now. If I can do this, anyone can.

Grim13

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Nestor wrote: »

Go play WOW if you want a max level character out of the gate.

hahaha

..And there it is! The stock, clichéd troll of any MMO forum... including WoW's I bet.

Wolfshead

No - because reasons...

If the OP feel the need to get max lvl for free then he/she should mostlike not play mmorpg or even single player rpg for the whole point of rpg is it should take time to get to max lvl

Nestor

Grim13 wrote: »

hahaha

..And there it is! The stock, clichéd troll of any MMO forum... including WoW's I bet.

It was not meant as a Troll, it was merely pointing someone in the direction that would give them what they want. If something already exists that gives you what you want, why reinvent the wheel with something else to get the same thing?

tpanisiakb16_ESO

No - because reasons...

Absolutely not, but...

They really need to fix the pacing of the game and kibosh Cadwell's content. I really, really enjoyed doing the quests the first time and I'm really, really looking forward to new quests in the future, but right now Cadwell's is a akin to slamming your face into a brick wall. It was a lazy (yet clever...) excuse to hold content locus back from discovering a lack of end game at launch. Now that we have endgame content we still have this dumb barrier to overcome. Furthermore, for a game that tries so desperately hard to immerse you in content, nothing aggravates me more than my Argonian kissing Queen Ayrens' behind, or graveling to King Emeric.

My romantic hopes and dreams for ESO is that at level 50 the other zones become open PvP worlds with different quests entirely. It could be simple reconnaissance missions, or "meet up with the platoons" and not all quests are PvP focused, but it would be something entirely different. Example: Rivenspire wouldn't be about my Ebonheart Pact character stemming the tide of dissident but, perhaps, about a scouting mission gone wrong. There doesn't need to be 40-50 quests to do there, maybe a smaller amount, but it would help push the story of your Alliance more and more.

I don't know. Just headcandy I guess, but almost anything is better than Cadwell's BS.

Enodoc

No - because reasons...

Instant levelling is cheating. You need to put in the effort to get the rewards. One amount of effort equals one equivalent reward, no more.
I would much rather have faction/race/class change than instant levelling, and I don't really want that either. But at least that way, you haven't put in the same effort and suddenly reaped twice the reward.

Nestor

Grim13 wrote: »

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It is one thing to discuss topics, even ones that have controversy. Heck, those can be fun to bandy about. What I think most people have an issue with is the "I am lazy, fix it for me so I don't have to do any work" threads". Now, for the record, I am about the laziest person I know, and I probably spend more effort than I should avoiding work. Because, as lazy as I am, a sense of accomplishment is more appealing than pressing a button and having it all. Since I work for what I get in the game, I don't want to play it with others who don't want to put the work in.

Besides I have rolled VR14 templates in the PTS. You know how long the fun lasts? About 5 minutes after I get the skills, attributes and champion points distributed. What is fun, is watching my character grow into their role. Needing or wanting the next skill and doing the work needed to get it. But that is my personal view and I am sure others have theirs.

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pugyourself

No - because reasons...

Grim13 wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

If the OP feel the need to get max lvl for free then he/she should mostlike not play mmorpg or even single player rpg for the whole point of rpg is it should take time to get to max lvl

There really need to be formal lessons on Forum Etiquette... lol

And I don't mean the Code of Conduct, either.

Surely, it isn't too much to ask that the people responding make a genuine attempt to comprehend the original post... or that they, at bare minimum, attempt to get a feel for the flow of the thread?

Silly me! This is the Interwebs.

This is not a troll. This thread and others like it are absurd. You should not be able to pay to skip playing the game. As a long-term and current subscriber, this really offends me. As do the myriad other threads asking for similar P2W options. WoW has been around for more than a decade. ESO has been here for a year. If you want to "catch up" you can easily do it in game. P2W for a year old game would ruin the experience for everyone except those who don't sctually want to play this game (instead wanting to pay for end game/high level content).

Tavore1138

No - because reasons...

No.

Firstly practical aspects...

• Why would you get all skill points and shards even if you hadn't earned them on even one character?
• Would you also expect a suitable VR14 quote of gold so you could buy all the best unbound items without paying?
• Would you expect all skill lines to be fully levelled or are you planning on taking on end game content with a single skill?
• Would you expect horse skills levelled?
• What else would be required so you could avoid playing through & actually be ready to compete against the top level content?
• Would you expect all achievements? If not how would you actually go back and earn ones you had effectively bypassed if you wanted to later?

And this is just off the top of my head... I'm sure there are a bunch of other things you'd need to consider and at any point you risk making the game less fun for you or gaining unfair advantage over those who are actually playing characters through the game.

More importantly - why would you even want to? This is an RPG game - isn't the whole point of such a game to build a character you enjoy playing and nurture him/her into the character you want them to be... I've been playing since launch and I have only one VR14 who I have played for over 2k hours because I have enjoyed both the journey and simply messing about in the world of Tamriel with a character I have taken time over... I have built and wiped dozens of alts because none of them felt 'right'... I have 2 others that will probably eventually get to VR14 because I like them and will enjoy taking them through the content and when they get there I will know how to play them competently because I will have taken the time to learn the skills and adapt to changing situations.

I understand this may not be how you wish to experience the game just as some hate the idea of the silver/gold questing - but this is the game that you bought into, take it as it is - a questing game drawn from a rich world filled with lore build up over 2 decades of previous games.

wraith808

Grim13 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

Biased poll is biased.

Nah, the bias is all in your interpretation of the results...

I haven't interpreted, nor even looked at the results. Try again?

Emma_Overload

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Chuggernaut wrote: »

Getting from 1 to 50 takes no time and veteran ranks are supposedly being removed. For these reasons alone I vote no.

You put a lot of faith in that word "supposedly". I don't have that much faith. TBH, I don't think they're EVER going to remove VR.

Emma_Overload

Yes - Questing/Grinding Be Damned!

Wolfshead wrote: »

If the OP feel the need to get max lvl for free then he/she should mostlike not play mmorpg or even single player rpg for the whole point of rpg is it should take time to get to max lvl

If you think spending weeks or months reaching max level is "free", you have never heard of these things called Jobs, Mortgages, Marriages or Children. Measured in money, that time is worth thousands of dollars to most adults!

Iluvrien

No - because reasons...

Grim13 wrote: »

I bet you said that about B2P too...

Nope. I was one of the poor gullible fools who kept defending ZOS's actions and holding to the idea that ZOS wouldn't take this game B2P. I was wrong. When it did happen I took 18 days away from the game deciding whether I actually wanted to play it or not. Then I came back. So no, I didn't.