Auction House ?

jircris11 · March 2015

I have seen this post many many times, honestly i personally have no issues selling my items. i post maybe 2 times in zone chat and they are all sold. HELL i even sell while lvling if i come across a good item, Those who use "need AH now" as a reason to complain about what eso is lacking need to take a step back and look at all of the mmos with a AH. The prices are freaking insane. GW2 is a great example, as is WoW.

Northern_Wolfling · March 2015

I REALLY DON'T want a central auction house. The guild trader system is part of why I love this game. It makes trading so much more interesting and social and a good why for guilds to earn money. A central auction house like in other games is so boring!!

I am in three trading guilds and I almost always get everything I need. If not I go to some other trader, done. And sometimes you can really make a bargain buy, cause it is not centralised ;-)

Drachenfier · March 2015

Xabien wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Valije wrote: »

Most of the time the botters and GS ruin the economy because they can gather a huge amount of mats and selling them with minimal profit and preventing the average Joe to sell anything to make money.

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This is a fallacy. The mats that bots flood the market with are already common, and players do the same thing. Just because you want to try to make more money off of people for common stuff than it's worth, doesn't mean that you should, as a matter of fact, its just plain greedy. Every single person i've seen try to defend this terrible system has been more concerned with their ability to fleece buyers and not being able to overcharge for crap that's commonly available.

How do you know that's what their concern is?

Because most of you have said it. Most people that supports this system has complained about being undercut, it's ridiculous. You don't want the laws of supply and demand to apply to you, which, hey, that's fine, but how about not just thinking about yourself. This system is cluttered, inefficient and unintuitive. It does NOT in any way, shape or form promote a healthy economy, because, in fact, it alienates most of the population that would normally contribute to said economy.

Valije · March 2015

Drachenfier wrote: »

It does NOT in any way, shape or form promote a healthy economy, because, in fact, it alienates most of the population that would normally contribute to said economy.

At least In the EU server the economy is healthy.

Knight150 · March 2015

Yep needs somewhere you can sell goods easily stupid restrictive system at the moment.

WraithAzraiel · March 2015

Knight150 wrote: »

Yep needs somewhere you can sell goods easily stupid restrictive system at the moment.

You can join 5 guilds.

That leaves you 1 guild for the PvE centric, 1 Guild for the PvP centric, 1 Social guild or a bank guild if you got 10 friends that want 500 slots of shareable bank space, and 2 spaces left for 2 trade guilds.

That's all the selling you could ever need.

Buying? Go to a city with multiple guild traders close together.

Heaven forbid you actually have to make an effort to do anything rewarding.

Genomic · March 2015

It seems the ayes solidly have it. I'm not sold on a global AH personally, but is seems clear only a minority of the more blinkered fans are satisfied with the current poorly designed and implemented system. So if ZOS is stubbornly married to the idea of no global AH (at the cost of losing customers), at the very least they should do a major rework of the current system.

pugyourself · March 2015

Govalon wrote: »

Mountain_Dewed wrote: »

I don't understand why players have a hard time going to a kiosk and finding what they need? Rawl'kha alone probably has 99% of the stuff and the rest is well, just hard to get anyway but still not any harder if there was an AH. Maybe someone can explain...

eh... it is not about needing items. People wan't to SELL items, not buy them. Having only handful of customers is a pain in the ass for people who wan't to take other players money.

Join five guilds. List items. Profit.

pugyourself · March 2015

Arizona_Willie wrote: »

I keep getting emails wanting me to come back.

Did they ever put an Auction House in the game?

With all the crafting that is core to this game, an AH is a necessity.
Public Guild Stores are NOT the answer.

An auction house is a terrible idea. Guild stores create robust local economies and promote really fun social interactions in-game. A large auction house would cause massive price deflation, remove some great social features, and destroy local in-game economies. I think guild stores are the best solution for in-game economies. Then again, I'm not from the EU, so I have an aversion to one store for all.

james007mb16_ESO · March 2015

I have a solution. Put in a global AH and keep the current system too. If people would rather use a convenient AH, go for it. If you'd rather have an "immersive" run around. Use the guild stores. Win-win.

Kingdinguhling · March 2015

- can never find what you want on the guild traders
- it singles out who can sell to much
- I have never got to be in a guild with a kiosk
- a lot of items have no value and are simply tossed because the in game economy sucks.
- and for those who think it cant work. the only thing that effects in game economy is supply of rare items and demand for those items. can not blame the tool for breaking an economy and a auction house is simply a tool.

pugyourself · March 2015

Kingdinguhling wrote: »

- can never find what you want on the guild traders
- it singles out who can sell to much
- I have never got to be in a guild with a kiosk
- a lot of items have no value and are simply tossed because the in game economy sucks.
- and for those who think it cant work. the only thing that effects in game economy is supply of rare items and demand for those items. can not blame the tool for breaking an economy and a auction house is simply a tool.

Are you familiar with Wal-Mart?

Jaxsun · March 2015

Chuggernaut wrote: »

Arizona_Willie wrote: »

I keep getting emails wanting me to come back.

Did they ever put an Auction House in the game?

With all the crafting that is core to this game, an AH is a necessity.
Public Guild Stores are NOT the answer.

I wish, but still no.

I just want the Bazaar terminals from SWG. You can search and buy from anywhere, but need to travel to the location of the item to pick it up.

SWG, still the best game evaaaaah!!!

Kingdinguhling · March 2015

pugyourself wrote: »

Kingdinguhling wrote: »

- can never find what you want on the guild traders
- it singles out who can sell to much
- I have never got to be in a guild with a kiosk
- a lot of items have no value and are simply tossed because the in game economy sucks.
- and for those who think it cant work. the only thing that effects in game economy is supply of rare items and demand for those items. can not blame the tool for breaking an economy and a auction house is simply a tool.

Are you familiar with Wal-Mart?

really don't understand your reference.....

QuadroTony · March 2015

just buys 3+ accounts to use 15+ trade guilds
its perfect solution for me

i did that

Kingdinguhling · March 2015

QuadroTony wrote: »

just buys 3+ accounts to use 15+ trade guilds
its perfect solution for me

i did that

yea honestly Im thinking I don't even wanna pay for my one account much longer if we don't start getting some new content

Jaxsun · March 2015

Drachenfier wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Valije wrote: »

Most of the time the botters and GS ruin the economy because they can gather a huge amount of mats and selling them with minimal profit and preventing the average Joe to sell anything to make money.

.

This is a fallacy. The mats that bots flood the market with are already common, and players do the same thing. Just because you want to try to make more money off of people for common stuff than it's worth, doesn't mean that you should, as a matter of fact, its just plain greedy. Every single person i've seen try to defend this terrible system has been more concerned with their ability to fleece buyers and not being able to overcharge for crap that's commonly available.

How do you know that's what their concern is?

Because most of you have said it. Most people that supports this system has complained about being undercut, it's ridiculous. You don't want the laws of supply and demand to apply to you, which, hey, that's fine, but how about not just thinking about yourself. This system is cluttered, inefficient and unintuitive. It does NOT in any way, shape or form promote a healthy economy, because, in fact, it alienates most of the population that would normally contribute to said economy.

+1, preach on, brother drachenflier

minnisville · March 2015

Don't be fooled "old" players. I wouldn't be surprised if Zen makes a AH in every city. Im am a brand new noob, as of 3/7, and I still vote no, because of my immersion need. But, I will admit, that if it changes, I will have to bite the bullet and stand in the pool of ppl.

Because, I will still play...and, don't lie to yourself, you will too...lol You know there is not another B2P game out there as well done as ESO. The closest one is GW2. And, if you went F2P, you would have to go to Conan for aven half the experience that ESO gives, as far as fantasy rpg goes.

I just hope that ESO/Zen will ask their community through polls on the forums/website and in game or launcher. Forums are not a true way to find out what the player base is really wanting or likes. Not everyone who plays, visits the forums. So, ZEN, poll us. Just do it through the launcher, or in game! A 15sec poll, that you could give 20crowns for completing, would be awesome!
EDIT for typo

wOOOOt_of_SD · March 2015

Guild vendors are only good for the sellers, because there is no supply and demand that rule the economy. Right now its hustle Trading, take high prices and see if it goes.

AH is good for the buyers - to get fair prices and faster more efficient Trading.

Thelon · March 2015

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Guild vendors are only good for the sellers, because there is no supply and demand that rule the economy. Right now its hustle Trading, take high prices and see if it goes.

AH is good for the buyers - to get fair prices and faster more efficient Trading.

Fair prices? Fantasy.

Reality - with an AH, everything you have becomes worthless. Everything you want becomes astronomically expensive.

Reference: Games with AH

Gidorick · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I am now advocating for there to be an Auction Horse in ESO. Here is my thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse
AUCTION HORSE!
AUCTION HORSE!
AUCTION HORSE!

or A Jobber Guar... or Bartering Mule. Different animal. Same concept.

Drachenfier · March 2015

Thelon wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Guild vendors are only good for the sellers, because there is no supply and demand that rule the economy. Right now its hustle Trading, take high prices and see if it goes.

AH is good for the buyers - to get fair prices and faster more efficient Trading.

Fair prices? Fantasy.

Reality - with an AH, everything you have becomes worthless. Everything you want becomes astronomically expensive.

Reference: Games with AH

I've made millions upon millions of credits in SWTOR just selling crafting mats I don't need. I sell for the going price, and thousands of buyers have access to my goods.

Works exactly the way its supposed to.

Refence: Games with AH

In ESO, i just vendor them, because I have no friggin clue what they're actually selling for, and I don't have time to spam zone chat.

Reference: Games with no AH

Thelon · March 2015

Drachenfier wrote: »

In ESO, i just vendor them, because I have no friggin clue what they're actually selling for, and I don't have time to spam zone chat.

Being uninformed is a pretty poor argument to overhaul the entire system. Try using Master Merchant if you can't determine the value of your goods on your own.

Holycannoli · March 2015

Genomic wrote: »

It seems the ayes solidly have it. I'm not sold on a global AH personally, but is seems clear only a minority of the more blinkered fans are satisfied with the current poorly designed and implemented system. So if ZOS is stubbornly married to the idea of no global AH (at the cost of losing customers), at the very least they should do a major rework of the current system.

It doesn't have to be a global AH, in fact I think I'd prefer faction AH.

This current system is the worst. It's worse than Everquest in 2000 when we gathered in the tunnel in East Commons and spammed to buy and sell. At least then we were all in the same zone.

If no faction AH then how about moving all kiosks to one area so we don't have to spend our entire gaming evening traveling around browsing?

Thelon · March 2015

Holycannoli wrote: »

If no faction AH then how about moving all kiosks to one area so we don't have to spend our entire gaming evening traveling around browsing?

The problem with this is the value of the traders is based on the location. The better the location, the more gold Trade Guild GMs will pay to secure the spot. Removing this variable would remove the competition between Trade Guilds and drastically reduce the gold sink that this competition creates.

Drachenfier · March 2015

Thelon wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

In ESO, i just vendor them, because I have no friggin clue what they're actually selling for, and I don't have time to spam zone chat.

Being uninformed is a pretty poor argument to overhaul the entire system. Try using Master Merchant if you can't determine the value of your goods on your own.

I'm not uninformed, I'm hindered by poor design. That's a pretty good argument for overhaul.

wraith808 · March 2015

Drachenfier wrote: »

Thelon wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

In ESO, i just vendor them, because I have no friggin clue what they're actually selling for, and I don't have time to spam zone chat.

Being uninformed is a pretty poor argument to overhaul the entire system. Try using Master Merchant if you can't determine the value of your goods on your own.

I'm not uninformed, I'm hindered by poor design. That's a pretty good argument for overhaul.

One person's (or group of people's) hindrance by what they consider poor design is not. That's the reason that common ground is a good goal for these discussions, rather than dismissing others' viewpoints and experiences out of hand.

Makkir · March 2015

Arizona_Willie wrote: »

I keep getting emails wanting me to come back.

Did they ever put an Auction House in the game?

With all the crafting that is core to this game, an AH is a necessity.
Public Guild Stores are NOT the answer.

Well that's a highly intelligible argument with sounds facts and evidence.

Divinius · March 2015

If a system requires addons to be even remotely user-friendly, it's a flawed system.

Head.hunter · March 2015

Aren't all the purple dungeon gear pieces still account bound or did that change? Makes an AH pointless.

Plus if everyone's selling the same items everywhere just lowers sales and demand.