You wanted more video proof of lag, here you go
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✭@Rylana No one is saying EP caused it, please read. I said it never happened until EP showed up and there were a crap ton of us in the keep. THAT is what I was saying. I even said I was not accusing anyone. sheeeeeeeesh
Well your like second post in the thread made it sound like our "reinforcements" which were the other 10 or so members of the guild coming back in from the courtyard were the start of the lag. Id been lagging from go. We all knew it would be, thats the name of last emp keep game.
What I didnt count on, nor did the rest of us, is that literally three full raids of AD would all come into the keep at once. I know your group had eight, but all taken together do you even realize how many AD were there? We stopped counting heads on the outer at about 50.
I did find it rather telling that about 1 minute into your vid some cocky dude was calling for "more meteors" like they knew what it was causing.
@Rylana he wasnt cocky lol more meteors were coming in then we could count when the lag started. Then once more started coming in he said "more meteors" then you see me run up the stairs to see them coming down. I did so so I could record everything happening so that the appropriate people could see first hand what is happening in pvp. Also let me correct myself some lol Yoda can be a cocky son of a sometimes :P0 -
ZOS_BrianWheelerPvP & Combat LeadThere are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.Edited by ZOS_BrianWheeler on March 25, 2015 3:29PMWheeler
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like kockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Valkyn Skoria set bonus proccing off of dots (especially caltrops) is probably the primary culprit. No one has meteors up that often.
What you do is take a group of guys with that set on, each one of them throws caltrops on a flag, and ridiculousness ensues.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭Cut all spell effects off except siege circles when in Cyrodiil. Players will adjust.0 -
cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭being able to bolt escape would be awesome in lag situations, a non mobile sorc is a dead sorc. and lag kills sorcs harder then any other class.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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✭Suhxtob-yu wrote: »Suhxtob-yu wrote: »"More meteors" ........ Yeah people need to get banned for doing this intentionally.
That was me saying more meteors, in a sarcastic way. You do realize there is conversation before that particular snippet of video right? sheesh
Yes I do realise that. Do you realise that you yourself has meteor on your bar and are spamming it relentlessly just before you asked for more meteors? I stand by my statement.
*Edit* oh yeah, sheeesh.
I have it on my bar not yoda :P And I spammed it to SHOW what was happening with the lag. Every bit of evidence counts right? That is EXACTLY what I was doing. @Suhxtob-yu He didnt ask for more meteors, he said "more meteors" because he was down in the heat of it and seeing them come down. Once he said that you see me run up the stairs to get all the meteors falling down on video. People need to stop taking all this out of context. yes meteor is on my bar but it has been on my bar since I got it back in 1.2 (game version, thats how long I have been using it as my ultimate)! I have never stopped using it as I LOVE meteors! I was using it when everyone said it sucked, and I am still using now that everyone has hopped on that train, and when everyone leaves that flavor I will STILL be using it.Edited by Gorthax on March 25, 2015 3:01PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah it was me saying meteors, and obviously the 60+ people spamming it weren't in my group nor my teamspeak so i dunoo if I have the power to command them through telepathy.
I was saying it in jest, because we had a conversation about 4 minutes before that about how meteor was the cause of a lot of lag.
The editing of the video makes it seem like I am calling forth metor, but in reality I was doing the opposite.
And, I don't think I sound cocky, thats just how i sound. Don't judge.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
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✭Yeah it was me saying meteors, and obviously the 60+ people spamming it weren't in my group nor my teamspeak so i dunoo if I have the power to command them through telepathy.
I was saying it in jest, because we had a conversation about 4 minutes before that about how meteor was the cause of a lot of lag.
The editing of the video makes it seem like I am calling forth metor, but in reality I was doing the opposite.
And, I don't think I sound cocky, thats just how i sound. Don't judge.
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LunaRae✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like kockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Kockback?
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like kockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Kockback?
Clearly there are some new moves in PvP. Its an ESO guild ultimate.2 -
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✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like kockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Kockback?
I seen that too and chuckled
how must I obtain said skill in pvp?!?! 2 -
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✭From what I've seen in PVP it's staff AOE abilities and meteor causing the skill lock ups. As a DW, my skills lock up terribly when the magic spam starts in a room of stacked players.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges0 -
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✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Hopefully you aren't looking into nerfing a bunch of set bonuses for the sake of pvp. Just disable them in pvp or something.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭timidobserver wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Hopefully you aren't looking into nerfing a bunch of set bonuses for the sake of pvp. Just disable them in pvp or something.
Not even disabling them because a lot of builds rely on that. Sure we could learn to make a new build but thats besides the point. If it is the particle affects or the calculations of the skills and the effect of them then they should tone them down and or find a way to better their calculations. No need for nerfs or disabling sets in pvp0 -
FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭I really dont understand where this claim of EP zerg showing up is coming from, i was there, i am EP, the whole red raid on that flag consisted of exactly one 24 man group. (less than 60% of the EP there even have meteor on their bars, FoTM much? lol.)
- As far as the lag and server stability is concerned, roughly 60-70 AD taking the keep
~30 EP still there defending
Server stopped consistently registering both incoming damage, and healing. Which is why with all those abilities nothing happens, the dethrone happened purely through more AD standing on the flag. The meteor spam results from you not losing ultimate points from casting it, since the server doesnt register it as going off, but the effect still happens.
I love the WRX claim about owning the bads. Would love to re-do that keep fight with the server actually registering any damage abilities pre-flag flip.Edited by FireCowCommando on March 25, 2015 6:01PM1 -
sheenkid✭I was in that fight. the lag was real. I was healing but my abilities weren't firing, i was getting 2fps and there were so many AD in the keep (who were spamming meteor btw) the flags insta flipped and we couldnt even contest them. i stood on a flag for a few minutes taking no damage because the server just said nope. For you to say "EP you bads, all you do is spam meteor" is a bunch of bull. WRX is just jelly that Zaz can nuke him in a 1v1, and hes chump unless he has emp, or at least 2 other people to help him. ALL HAIL ZAZEER!Sheenkid Von Danzig - VR16 Breton Templar Healer GoS0 -
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✭timidobserver wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Hopefully you aren't looking into nerfing a bunch of set bonuses for the sake of pvp. Just disable them in pvp or something.
I have heard that Trials/Dungeons also lag out hard, and if its because of these AoE Knockbacks, then yes, they should nerf the set bonuses.0 -
heystreethawk✭✭✭✭✭Pardon the language, but it strikes me as super duper silly whenever people blame another faction for the lag. AD zone chat and group comms are definitely inclined toward such berzerker blame fests, and I suppose I should be grateful it's not a mentality that's endemic to our faction!
I think some groups (such as the red guilds on Thornblade who catch most of the flak) have a better handle on what to do during the lag: they opt not to use skills with a cast time, or elaborate ground effects, or detailed animations. They stick to the abilities that will register damage once the server catches up; they make the most advantageous move in a highly disadvantageous situation, which is not the same as cheating, or purposefully creating laggy conditions.
Right now, insofar as we can know anything, we know that certain situations contribute to the lag: situations that call for a large number of players to cluster up in combat against a large number of enemy players, and for those players to use skills that will have an impact against their enemies, such as Meteor. It's insane to go back and forth like: "no, YOU were the ones with all the meteors!" like anyone was yelling over TS for their crew to hit the lag button. People use Meteor because it's a hard hitting AoE ultimate that can be used at range. It's a shame that it seems to be a contributing factor to the lag.
edit: how do you spam an ultimate, anyway?Edited by heystreethawk on March 25, 2015 6:50PMGM of Fantasia
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sheenkid✭heystreethawk wrote: »edit: how do you spam an ultimate, anyway?
it can be done. reduce cost of ulti sets, that many people in a location + ulti building ability spam = ulti every few seconds. that's neither here nor there though. When you have that many people jammed into a small space in Cyrodiil, you're going to have issues because the server simply says "nope, not gonna happen"Sheenkid Von Danzig - VR16 Breton Templar Healer GoS0 -
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✭timidobserver wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Hopefully you aren't looking into nerfing a bunch of set bonuses for the sake of pvp. Just disable them in pvp or something.
Mwuhahahah!Anything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
Suhxtob-yu✭✭✭Yeah it was me saying meteors, and obviously the 60+ people spamming it weren't in my group nor my teamspeak so i dunoo if I have the power to command them through telepathy.
I was saying it in jest, because we had a conversation about 4 minutes before that about how meteor was the cause of a lot of lag.
The editing of the video makes it seem like I am calling forth metor, but in reality I was doing the opposite.
And, I don't think I sound cocky, thats just how i sound. Don't judge.
You got me. I messed up and thought I was talking to one person. But that is neither here, nor there.
Fact is, whoever recorded that clip was very clearly spamming the ultimate without it going off properly (the actual exploit in question). Your telepathic jesting request for more meteors was just icing on the cake.0 -
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✭Suhxtob-yu wrote: »Yeah it was me saying meteors, and obviously the 60+ people spamming it weren't in my group nor my teamspeak so i dunoo if I have the power to command them through telepathy.
I was saying it in jest, because we had a conversation about 4 minutes before that about how meteor was the cause of a lot of lag.
The editing of the video makes it seem like I am calling forth metor, but in reality I was doing the opposite.
And, I don't think I sound cocky, thats just how i sound. Don't judge.
You got me. I messed up and thought I was talking to one person. But that is neither here, nor there.
Fact is, whoever recorded that clip was very clearly spamming the ultimate without it going off properly (the actual exploit in question). Your telepathic jesting request for more meteors was just icing on the cake.
@Suhxtob-yu that was me doing it, and as I said in my previous comments:@Rylana No one is saying EP caused it, please read. I said it never happened until EP showed up and there were a crap ton of us in the keep. THAT is what I was saying. I even said I was not accusing anyone. sheeeeeeeesh
Well your like second post in the thread made it sound like our "reinforcements" which were the other 10 or so members of the guild coming back in from the courtyard were the start of the lag. Id been lagging from go. We all knew it would be, thats the name of last emp keep game.
What I didnt count on, nor did the rest of us, is that literally three full raids of AD would all come into the keep at once. I know your group had eight, but all taken together do you even realize how many AD were there? We stopped counting heads on the outer at about 50.
I did find it rather telling that about 1 minute into your vid some cocky dude was calling for "more meteors" like they knew what it was causing.
I did so so I could record everything happening so that the appropriate people could see first hand what is happening in pvp.
as you can read in there. I will even bold it.Edited by Gorthax on March 25, 2015 8:26PM0 -
Suhxtob-yu✭✭✭heystreethawk wrote: »how do you spam an ultimate, anyway?
Did you watch the video? Go back and watch how the user frantically slams his ultimate in order to "show proof" of this exploit.0 -
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✭Suhxtob-yu wrote: »heystreethawk wrote: »how do you spam an ultimate, anyway?
Did you watch the video? Go back and watch how the user frantically slams his ultimate in order to "show proof" of this exploit.
again, I was lagging (bad) when I tried to use my ultimate and if you notice, I try spamming everything not just my ultimate. To show that NOTHING is working lol so dont say I was exploiting or the cause of said issue0 -
Xupacabra✭✭✭Meteor is not lag guilty alone skill, before meteor we already had unplayable lag, from bomb groups and their infinite resources spamming skills all time.Chupacabra with rage @ EU server AD faction Thornblade home1 -
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✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
but.. you're just going to fix the problem... not change the abilities.. right?0 -
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✭Sad thing is that if this is found to be the #1 sole source of lag of CyrodiilMeteor is not lag guilty alone skill, before meteor we already had unplayable lag, from bomb groups and their infinite resources spamming skills all time.
Was that before 1.6, when meteor wasn't popular? remember what Paul Sage saidZOS_PaulSage wrote: »Hello everyone,
Our Cyrodiil performance is something we are very aware of. Performance drags when there are numerous players in the same place at the same time. This is why performance in Cyrodiil is fine for much of the day, but gets worse during more popular times. We are currently investigating ways in which we can reduce the spike of performance loss. We added in some features for Update 6 which we hoped would help, but ultimately did not. This is not a situation where we can just add more hardware. Player population in a given area hurts the performance and the more people that are in one area, the more performance is going to be hurt.
Actively, we are looking at changing the behavior of the players to remove incentives for large groups to stay in the same area. We want to do this by providing larger incentives for Alliances to split up and take on multiple-challenges in Cyrodiil. We’ll continue to work on this. We are also asked by players if there is anything they can do to help. In this situation, the best thing you can do is split off to different objectives when you notice performance going down. Cyrodiil is a big place with lots of different things to do. And thank you for asking.
so, things were put in place with 1.6 to fix said things, but "ultimately did not", which seems ironic if the cause of this is the meteor ultimate. look at it less as a single cause for an issue and start looking at multiple possible causes, and separate the incidents. In this case, it seems as if the Meteor is one major cause. might not be the only one, but the evidence is compelling enough that ZOS is investigating it.ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
but.. you're just going to fix the problem... not change the abilities.. right?
what would be the issue with changing or replacing it with something else? they've done it with countless other abilities and sets before, and if removing it is the simplest fix, why not get that out sooner than later?0 -
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »There are various abilities being looked into and abilities which proc off gear as well. Abilities which cause movement changes on other players like knockback, especially AE knockback, are included in this list.
Hopefully you aren't looking into nerfing a bunch of set bonuses for the sake of pvp. Just disable them in pvp or something.
Not even disabling them because a lot of builds rely on that. Sure we could learn to make a new build but thats besides the point. If it is the particle affects or the calculations of the skills and the effect of them then they should tone them down and or find a way to better their calculations. No need for nerfs or disabling sets in pvp
Eh, I've been playing this game since beta. In my experience, their reaction is just to make it useless if it is causing problems. People stop using it, and bam no more problems.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭8 months of the same story with different characters. They all end the same way, "We'll look into it!" It's getting old ZOS...really old.2 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭heystreethawk wrote: »Pardon the language, but it strikes me as super duper silly whenever people blame another faction for the lag. AD zone chat and group comms are definitely inclined toward such berzerker blame fests, and I suppose I should be grateful it's not a mentality that's endemic to our faction!
I think some groups (such as the red guilds on Thornblade who catch most of the flak) have a better handle on what to do during the lag: they opt not to use skills with a cast time, or elaborate ground effects, or detailed animations. They stick to the abilities that will register damage once the server catches up; they make the most advantageous move in a highly disadvantageous situation, which is not the same as cheating, or purposefully creating laggy conditions.
Right now, insofar as we can know anything, we know that certain situations contribute to the lag: situations that call for a large number of players to cluster up in combat against a large number of enemy players, and for those players to use skills that will have an impact against their enemies, such as Meteor. It's insane to go back and forth like: "no, YOU were the ones with all the meteors!" like anyone was yelling over TS for their crew to hit the lag button. People use Meteor because it's a hard hitting AoE ultimate that can be used at range. It's a shame that it seems to be a contributing factor to the lag.
edit: how do you spam an ultimate, anyway?
Best troll post ever.
I can post screen shots from innocent ep people on this forum claiming certain ep players claim to know how to lag the server and exploit the lag and have recruited and asked people in zone to do it with them.0