Underwater diving - why not?

cyclonus11 · March 2015

It seems that MMOs are moving away from this mechanic, which is unfortunate to me. Why is this? EQ was able to implement this 15 years ago. What is the challenge to making this happen?

liquid_wolf · March 2015

This sounds like a thread for you!
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/160152/the-armchair-developer-comes-to-eso-live/p1

I'm certain they would be more than willing to talk about that.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2015

Most never touch it in the first place. Heck, most standalone's never touch it in the first place. Morrowind and Oblivion are two of the few that got it right.

The big issue lays in cracks in the world. They're irritating above ground. Get stuck in one while underwater...you drown.

cyclonus11 · March 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The big issue lays in cracks in the world. They're irritating above ground. Get stuck in one while underwater...you drown.

I don't know about this. EQ had cracks in it everywhere, but I never encountered them in the water. Perhaps because you control your depth (you don't fall)?

Gidorick · March 2015

But it's a pretty big part of Elder Scrolls games.... I suggested that it be added here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147216/water-overhaul-suggestion

Merlin13KAGL · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's a pretty big part of Elder Scrolls games.... I suggested that it be added here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147216/water-overhaul-suggestion

@Gidorick , it was absolutely something Bethesda did very well...

yodased · March 2015

I fall through the world often enough now above ground, they can't even handle that clipping. Can you imagine what they would do with underwater or flying?

Let them have some semblance of control on x and y axis before they screw up z axis please.

Edit:

That being said, I'm all for it. Super fun to treasure hunt and actually be able to kill a slaughterfish or you know do what EP does and take a scroll underwater and die instead of just into the water to die.

Gidorick · March 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's a pretty big part of Elder Scrolls games.... I suggested that it be added here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147216/water-overhaul-suggestion

@Gidorick , it was absolutely something Bethesda did very well...

I agree.... ESO just doesn't "feel" like a full TES game without it.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · March 2015

They are using an outdated engine.

Seraphyel · March 2015

cyclonus11 wrote: »

It seems that MMOs are moving away from this mechanic, which is unfortunate to me. Why is this? EQ was able to implement this 15 years ago. What is the challenge to making this happen?

Just look at Guild Wars 2 and their BEAUTIFUL underwater content. That's just breathtaking. In ESO you can't even dive.

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Gidorick · March 2015

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

They are using an outdated engine.

Wasn't the engine built FOR ESO?

Gidorick · March 2015

Seraphyel wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

It seems that MMOs are moving away from this mechanic, which is unfortunate to me. Why is this? EQ was able to implement this 15 years ago. What is the challenge to making this happen?

Work. Developers tend to be lazy. SW:TOR devs and ESO devs as well.

Just look at Guild Wars 2 and their BEAUTIFUL underwater content. That's just breathtaking. In ESO you can't even dive.

The more I read the forums the more I feel like I should be playing Guild Wars 2.

Seraphyel · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Seraphyel wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

It seems that MMOs are moving away from this mechanic, which is unfortunate to me. Why is this? EQ was able to implement this 15 years ago. What is the challenge to making this happen?

Work. Developers tend to be lazy. SW:TOR devs and ESO devs as well.

Just look at Guild Wars 2 and their BEAUTIFUL underwater content. That's just breathtaking. In ESO you can't even dive.

The more I read the forums the more I feel like I should be playing Guild Wars 2.

@Gidorick

Do you know the Guild Wars 2 underwater content? 1/4 of the whole word is based underwater.

Here a quick example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydrk_vfXLyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPSZmt46Ba0

In GW2 there are hidden paths, hidden caves etc. you can only reach by diving or swimming. The whole combat system is different underwater as you get new underwater skills that finally make sense and there are unique weapons you can only use underwater.

ItsGlaive · March 2015

I'd be well up for this. One of the best features in GW2 (and most underrated imo) is their underwater gameplay. The most fun I've had exploring a digital world in a long, long time. Archeage do an awesome job of it too (and sailing and pirating).

YourNameHere · March 2015

Underwater combat and exploration is fun and challenging IF it is done right.

Kragorn · March 2015

cyclonus11 wrote: »

It seems that MMOs are moving away from this mechanic, which is unfortunate to me. Why is this? EQ was able to implement this 15 years ago. What is the challenge to making this happen?

Rift recently had an expansion with a focus on under-water areas, though not exclusively.

Trouble is doing it well is hard, as Trion's initial attempts showed. I love what Blizzard did in the Vash'jr zone in WOW and the lack of under-water action in ESO shocked me, especially when one considers the fun there was in Morrowind from exploring the deeps.

Robbmrp · March 2015

The other problem with this with ESO is the server lag we are experiencing now. People would dive down and swim a little bit and then we'd all be dead for the lag wouldn't show us that we were out of breath until it was too late. They really need to fix the core issues/bugs of the game before adding in this kind of content IMO.

Seraphyel · March 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

The other problem with this with ESO is the server lag we are experiencing now. People would dive down and swim a little bit and then we'd all be dead for the lag wouldn't show us that we were out of breath until it was too late. They really need to fix the core issues/bugs of the game before adding in this kind of content IMO.

Oh, now I know why they didn't implement Underwater Content: they didn't want to add another UI element for your breath, it could destroy your immersion. Best way would be just to hold breath in real and rush to the surface again when you need to breathe again.

Gidorick · March 2015

Thanks for the videos @Seraphyel. That's looks amazing! The fact that ESO doesn't have that makes me face palm.... hard.

Remag_Div · March 2015

I can only dream of a GW2 underwater system in ESO.

renton1x1x1 · March 2015

never going to happen along with:

Capes
Dragons
Flying Mounts
Player created content

Kalfis · March 2015

Yes please.

It would be awesome to have treasure all over lakes to dive for.

cyclonus11 · March 2015

Adding water combat would also eliminate the ability of thieves, murderers, outlaws, and other ne'er-do-wells jumping into the city sewage drain to avoid local code enforcement officials.

Robbmrp · March 2015

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Adding water combat would also eliminate the ability of thieves, murderers, outlaws, and other ne'er-do-wells jumping into the city sewage drain to avoid local code enforcement officials.

That's fine with me. Sprint faster!

cyclonus11 · March 2015

I meant that to be a positive thing.

Gidorick · March 2015

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Adding water combat would also eliminate the ability of thieves, murderers, outlaws, and other ne'er-do-wells jumping into the city sewage drain to avoid local code enforcement officials.

Hmm... true

StaticWax · March 2015

cyclonus11 wrote: »

It seems that MMOs are moving away from this mechanic...

Good. Swimming on the surface in full armor is a ridiculous concept on it's own. And diving? Give me a break...

cyclonus11 · March 2015

brb casting spells

gman092803ub17_ESO · March 2015

Cause it sucks........

WraithAzraiel · March 2015

Because another axis would have to be coded into the game. Would likely be easier for zones they haven't released yet.

dafox187 · March 2015

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