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Cause of lag - Meteor Spell

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http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/301xan/after_several_tests_we_determined_where_the_lag/

Based on recent threads, it was determined meteor was sole cause of lag.
Please ask everyone to deslot it.

Calling all factions to discourage it's use.
This is a no blame thread.
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  • Snit
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    We all know there's at least a correlation between meteor and lag, if only from the soundtrack of 999+ (Boom... Boom... Boom... Boom... Boom...).

    It's really interesting that you tested this.
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    Edited by Imdrefan on March 24, 2015 3:28PM
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  • Xendyn
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    Ok so...what about all the lag we had Before anyone used Meteor?
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  • Minno
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    Snit wrote: »
    We all know there's at least a correlation between meteor and lag, if only from the soundtrack of 999+ (Boom... Boom... Boom... Boom... Boom...).

    It's really interesting that you tested this.

    I did not test it. The poster of the reddit post was the one. Please credit them.

    Zennimax has forwarded the link to their engineering section already.

    This thread is to serve as a message to get all sides to remove its use till fixed.
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  • Minno
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Ok so...what aboull the lag we had Before anyone used Meteor?

    Don't stop finding the parts of the game that cause it.
    Keep this dialogue open and let's share what we know and forward to Zennimax.

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  • HeroOfNone
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Ok so...what about all the lag we had Before anyone used Meteor?

    Not sure, but remember that changes were made in 1.6 that should have fixed things, right at the height of meteor mania. It could be that ZOS fixed some aspects, but the Meteor issue was something out of their scope.
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  • Soul_Demon
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    Great job for those who got video before, during and after....outstanding way to give ZoS something to see real time.
  • Jauriel
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    Meteor, it's obnoxious sound and lighting effect is a REAL nuisance in pvp. At this point it is all about who can meteor spam the most. ZOS please disable it until you fix it.
  • technohic
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Ok so...what about all the lag we had Before anyone used Meteor?

    Lag happens, but this seems to be the most prevalent ability that I see when it does. Take care of this one, and then we can start looking at possible other causes.
  • Tankqull
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    meteor and especially ice comet was allways odd, beeing portet back into it when trying to escape it by rolling is extreamly strange...
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    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"


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    I'll read those comments further.

    I think we all know this isn't the sole cause but one issue at the time.
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  • Estelee
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    Tankqull wrote: »
    meteor and especially ice comet was allways odd, beeing portet back into it when trying to escape it by rolling is extreamly strange...

    In addition to the rubberbanding, I have experienced many times where the Meteor animation plays over and over ( as does the sound clip ) and I would not take any damage until nearly ten or fifteen seconds later. During the time from the start of the animation cycling to me actually taking damage, all my skills were useless aside from dodging, blocking, and light attacks.

    Don't know if this helps but it's been my personal experience with Meteors lagg on a 1 vs 1 basis, and not in their zerg trains.
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    Just wanted to let you all know that we are actively looking into this. Thank you!
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  • Mountain_Dewed
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    I just went back in after a few months and lasted about 20 minutes. Same hit twice animation/sound death but death recap shows 5 hits detected, Stuck in combat. I just can't
  • Magus
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    It was a bad omen in one of Deltia's videos that the meteor he used crashed the PTS. Now when I see 4 meteors at the same time, the game becomes unresponsive.
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  • eventide03b14a_ESO
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    Maybe it's just my cynicism talking, but I can't help but feel that everyone asking to deslot it are the same ones who never use it anyway.
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  • DeLindsay
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    PvE lag has increased since the day B2P went live by probably 5 fold if not 10 fold. Players who used to see <50 MS and +80 FPS are now regularly seeing 400-999+ MS and <50 FPS just standing there in a PvE Zone doing nothing, while other Players near them are also doing nothing (no ability spamming).

    So please, tell us all exactly how Meteor even being slotted is somehow causing all this new lag.

    Also, From the day 1.6 hit Live until the day before B2P Cyro wasn't any more laggy than it was pre-1.6 and Players were using Meteor and Jesus Beam constantly. This entire thread is a false flag trying to get ZoS to nerf Meteor because Players don't like how much damage it does (even though the damage didn't increase in 1.6).
  • Dreyloch
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    Look,
    Meteor used during "normal tons of people" lag will sometimes allow you to cast it multiple times before it gets greyed out. There is also the gear set that procs it.This in turn causes even more lag and everything stops working till the server can catch up. Most people that PvP daily on Thornblade NA will atest that a certain EP guild does it all the time. There is video of it in another thread.

    I'm not saying that other guilds on the other factions don't use it too. But they aren't to the extent that this guild does. It's caused nothing but strife for the whole server and community. If ZoS can fix it, perhaps they can discipline this group for using it to their advantage since 1.6 went live.
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    PvE lag has increased since the day B2P went live by probably 5 fold if not 10 fold. Players who used to see <50 MS and +80 FPS are now regularly seeing 400-999+ MS and <50 FPS just standing there in a PvE Zone doing nothing, while other Players near them are also doing nothing (no ability spamming).

    So please, tell us all exactly how Meteor even being slotted is somehow causing all this new lag.

    Also, From the day 1.6 hit Live until the day before B2P Cyro wasn't any more laggy than it was pre-1.6 and Players were using Meteor and Jesus Beam constantly. This entire thread is a false flag trying to get ZoS to nerf Meteor because Players don't like how much damage it does (even though the damage didn't increase in 1.6).

    You must be playing a different game than me because the lag had happened a lot more often between 1.6 and 2.0 than I had seen prior. I do suspect that it is just one of several other issues that existed prior to 1.6 as well, but it clearly looks like one. That doesn't mean that without it, we will be lag free.

    It sounds like you are worried it will get nerfed in power somehow. I doubt that is what is required.
    Edited by technohic on March 24, 2015 6:46PM
  • kelly.medleyb14_ESO
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    Y'all are mad bc meteor is actually decent now for all the work it takes to get it, you don't get it, so now you trying to get it nerfed lol.
  • technohic
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    Y'all are mad bc meteor is actually decent now for all the work it takes to get it, you don't get it, so now you trying to get it nerfed lol.

    Are people drinking radiator coolant or something? Anyone with a little bit of time can get meteor, all you do is find books and theres an app for that. Most of us have it.
  • PeggymoeXD
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    Y'all are mad bc meteor is actually decent now for all the work it takes to get it, you don't get it, so now you trying to get it nerfed lol.

    Actually, being a DK with reflective wings, I giggle at meteor. It's okay, I'm sure you won't be stripped of your lag-inducing ultimate entirely. But it is most definitely contributing heavily to the lag problems in Cyrodiil. Also, really nobody wants it nerfed, maybe a change to the animation when 30 people are spamming it.
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  • DeLindsay
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    technohic wrote: »
    You must be playing a different game than me because the lag had happened a lot more often between 1.6 and 2.0 than I had seen prior. I do suspect that it is just one of several other issues that existed prior to 1.6 as well, but it clearly looks like one. That doesn't mean that without it, we will be lag free.

    It sounds like you are worried it will get nerfed in power somehow. I doubt that is what is required.
    While I do believe that Meteor is part of the cause of (recently increased) lag in Cyro while grouped up, say taking a Keep, there is NO WAY it's the cause of all the lag we're seeing in PvE, considering we don't have Players grouped up spamming Meteor on each other and still experience just as bad lag since B2P. It also doesn't explain how using Meteor in PvE while in Dungeons/Trials doesn't cause increased lag (which it doesn't).

    And the "test" that was done for that reddit thread is a joke, there are no videos for evidence just some guy saying "we did a 150 v150 and a 5 v 5, etc and here's our results". They didn't list what Lat/FPS every single one of those 150 Players had before/after the Meteor test, what they were doing at the time, what abilities every single Player was using, what Classes they were, what Armor they were wearing, what Weapons they were using, how tightly packed they all were, etc. Just saying "oh hey, it's Meteor because we said so" isn't a 'test' in the slightest respect.
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    Y'all are mad bc meteor is actually decent now for all the work it takes to get it, you don't get it, so now you trying to get it nerfed lol.


    Thread was to explain that parts off this spell are doing things to lag the server. Not DMG.
    I want to use it more but in the end PvP stability due to lag is more important than pve ( which can be in another forum thread)

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  • technohic
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    You must be playing a different game than me because the lag had happened a lot more often between 1.6 and 2.0 than I had seen prior. I do suspect that it is just one of several other issues that existed prior to 1.6 as well, but it clearly looks like one. That doesn't mean that without it, we will be lag free.

    It sounds like you are worried it will get nerfed in power somehow. I doubt that is what is required.
    While I do believe that Meteor is part of the cause of (recently increased) lag in Cyro while grouped up, say taking a Keep, there is NO WAY it's the cause of all the lag we're seeing in PvE, considering we don't have Players grouped up spamming Meteor on each other and still experience just as bad lag since B2P. It also doesn't explain how using Meteor in PvE while in Dungeons/Trials doesn't cause increased lag (which it doesn't).

    And the "test" that was done for that reddit thread is a joke, there are no videos for evidence just some guy saying "we did a 150 v150 and a 5 v 5, etc and here's our results". They didn't list what Lat/FPS every single one of those 150 Players had before/after the Meteor test, what they were doing at the time, what abilities every single Player was using, what Classes they were, what Armor they were wearing, what Weapons they were using, how tightly packed they all were, etc. Just saying "oh hey, it's Meteor because we said so" isn't a 'test' in the slightest respect.

    It's worth looking into. No more, no less. Not worth getting worked up over as I doubt an effective nerf comes out of it. At most, I imagine watering downs some animations and audio from it.
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    technohic wrote: »
    DeLindsay wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    You must be playing a different game than me because the lag had happened a lot more often between 1.6 and 2.0 than I had seen prior. I do suspect that it is just one of several other issues that existed prior to 1.6 as well, but it clearly looks like one. That doesn't mean that without it, we will be lag free.

    It sounds like you are worried it will get nerfed in power somehow. I doubt that is what is required.
    While I do believe that Meteor is part of the cause of (recently increased) lag in Cyro while grouped up, say taking a Keep, there is NO WAY it's the cause of all the lag we're seeing in PvE, considering we don't have Players grouped up spamming Meteor on each other and still experience just as bad lag since B2P. It also doesn't explain how using Meteor in PvE while in Dungeons/Trials doesn't cause increased lag (which it doesn't).

    And the "test" that was done for that reddit thread is a joke, there are no videos for evidence just some guy saying "we did a 150 v150 and a 5 v 5, etc and here's our results". They didn't list what Lat/FPS every single one of those 150 Players had before/after the Meteor test, what they were doing at the time, what abilities every single Player was using, what Classes they were, what Armor they were wearing, what Weapons they were using, how tightly packed they all were, etc. Just saying "oh hey, it's Meteor because we said so" isn't a 'test' in the slightest respect.

    It's worth looking into. No more, no less. Not worth getting worked up over as I doubt an effective nerf comes out of it. At most, I imagine watering downs some animations and audio from it.

    I couldn't have said it better. Thanks!
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  • Armitas
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    Only EP meteors cause the lag.
    Edited by Armitas on March 24, 2015 7:03PM
    Retired.
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  • Huckdabuck
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    Armitas wrote: »
    Only EP meteors cause the lag.

    Of course because...."that one group".
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  • Scotia
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    Nerf the gear set that procs, bring it in line with the other monster sets. So many are using meteor because the other ultimates are not as good, either bring those up or bring this one down, that is even after you fix the lag it is causing.










    PS, I dont care how long it took to get the monster set, when so many are wanting and using it, you know it isnt for cosmetics. It will never be as grueling as Jboot camp on Rallos Zek.
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