Siege Damage Intended to hit for 24k?
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tintinabula wrote: »I just got hit for 41000 fireballista one shot..how the f*** is that possible?
Combat prayer, plus perhaps some other damage buff now affecting siege? Did you have elemental drain debuff?0 -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tintinabula wrote: »I just got hit for 41000 fireballista one shot..how the f*** is that possible?
If a vampire getting hit with big balls or arrows of fire might be bad for your health now a-days2 -
ThyIronFist✭✭✭✭✭Tintinabula wrote: »I just got hit for 41000 fireballista one shot..how the f*** is that possible?
You stood in a red circle.
Also... screenshots?
Edited by ThyIronFist on March 23, 2015 11:56PMThe Elder Zergs Online
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And finally, the No-Skill - A level 10 on siege one shotting players from max range.PeggymoeXD wrote: »Players should fight using their skills, not sit on siege (most likely on safe wall/bridge/gate) and spam high dmg with minimal risk. Only crappy players lacking any skills could possibly ask for siege doing more dmg, so they get that 1 tool that allow them kill other ppl instead learn the game mechanics and effectively use class/weapon/guild and all other skill lines. Also it only encourage zerging as its very easy to deploy siege weapon (it takes barely 1 second while should take much more) while safely staying behind blob.
Totally silly idea to increase siege dmg.
This is completely backwards. I can understand how someone with little skill can now serve a purpose in PvP may frustrate you, but I'd say the skilled players are happy, and the not-so-skilled players are unhappy.
To clarify:
Skilled - able to handle themselves against 1 or more enemy players and either escape them, or kill them. Understand tactics beyond blobbing and spamming.
Not-so-skilled - Stacking weapon/spell damage and nothing else. Has to rely on more than him/herself to survive. Spams.
Groups stay 100% mobile or die, and no amount of gear or skill will mitigate that. No more good group v group fights, cuz that one random who put up a siege from stealth.
Inb4 someone who doesn't know how to play or even how I play calls me a no skill zergball lag spammer,
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skarvika✭✭✭✭I got one-shotted for 35k earlier. My guild has been going all day and haven't been able to capture anything, everyone's getting 1/2 shotted, nobody can drop their own siege or rez anyone when trying to capture a keep. It's really a problem.Edited by skarvika on March 23, 2015 11:57PMQQing is a full time job2 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm not showing screenshots of what everyone is reporting to be true..dont believe an alpha tester?..so be it..screenshots?..w/e
Uhm no..I don't "stand in red circles"..I got hit with a bolt .I died instantly and that was the death recap.Edited by Tintinabula on March 24, 2015 12:04AM0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ThyIronFist wrote: »Tintinabula wrote: »I just got hit for 41000 fireballista one shot..how the f*** is that possible?
You stood in a red circle.
Also... screenshots?
You stood in a bat swarm.
You stood in a DK standard.
Blah blah.
Bad argument, considering the history of this game.
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Crappy siege spam began again. "Awesome" patch idea!
Remove that bs and let players fight vs players, not siege.1 -
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✭✭Anyone saying it will spread the fights out is ***. If a full raid group can't get into a keep because the defensive siege is too strong, are they going to split into two 12 man groups and reduce their chances of success, or are they going to call over more people to help them out? People are just going to rely on zerging more. If you wait for two or three breaches on the keep as well, you're only inviting the opposition to bolster their defense before you can get inside the outer walls, and as far as the inner keeps go you're *** out of luck.2 -
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✭✭✭Everyone has access . No points have to spent on Seige . Good ... Bad ... Doesn't matter to the one standing behind the Ballista .2 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Help against siege focus fire? Yeah no.
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not directed at anyone in particular, but if you're a more skilled fighter, then why are you dead?
"GRAWR!!! Me no like siege! Siege take no skill. Should fight like real men. You stand there. Me punch you in face. Then you punch me in face. Last man standing have bigger skill. You stand behind siege and hit me with rock. You no skill. You dumb dumb. Think too much. Me going to hit door with face until open. Then punch you in face. GHAAHHHH!!! BURNING OIL!!!!!! IT BURNS!!!!! WHY NOBODY TELL ME IT BURNS!!!!!"
Anyone saying it will spread the fights out is ***. If a full raid group can't get into a keep because the defensive siege is too strong, are they going to split into two 12 man groups
Yup. That's what they did in the first month. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.Edited by Glurin on March 24, 2015 12:45AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."5 -
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✭✭✭Double postEdited by Satiar on March 24, 2015 12:45AMVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭✭✭Everyone has access . No points have to spent on Seige . Good ... Bad ... Doesn't matter to the one standing behind the Ballista .
Turns it from a game where all 12 slots matter to a game where quickslots alone matter.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭PeggymoeXD wrote: »Seriously, and I've said this plenty of times, the only thing you should be mad about is that this damage wasn't implemented until now. It's siege. It's a 5 ton boulder dipped in oil and lit on fire, and it just hit you in the face at high speed
Well then, it's a good thing I can carry a dozen of those around in my magic backpack.
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InvictoNZ✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »PeggymoeXD wrote: »Seriously, and I've said this plenty of times, the only thing you should be mad about is that this damage wasn't implemented until now. It's siege. It's a 5 ton boulder dipped in oil and lit on fire, and it just hit you in the face at high speed
Well then, it's a good thing I can carry a dozen of those around in my magic backpack.
An "easy" fix. Each player can only have 1 siege weapon in bag. Cannot stealth with siege in bag.0 -
AssaultLemming✭✭✭✭Might be worth looking at the siege engines ranges and area effect radius now to see if they need to be tweaked.
Seems like a blanket damage increase was a bad way to handle something like this.
Fire siege weapons should have got a smaller damage increase and a larger area radius. Stones should get a larger damage increase and lesser radius. Ballista should get a reduced range, trebs an increase etc.Edited by AssaultLemming on March 24, 2015 1:08AM0 -
Elminster✭✭do u guys even play the game or just shoving *** down our throats, the siege damage is excessive, are we playing siege warfare.....1
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xDOVAHKIINx✭✭✭Seems as tho @Satiar has the best points
-People saying your bad for standing in siege damage, are the same people who cry about bats and standard.
-Turned this game from skill slots to quick slots.
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xDOVAHKIINx✭✭✭AssaultLemming wrote: »Might be worth looking at the siege engines ranges and area effect radius now to see if they need to be tweaked.
Seems like a blanket damage increase was a bad way to handle something like this.
Fire siege weapons should have got a smaller damage increase and a larger area radius. Stones should get a larger damage increase and lesser radius. Ballista should get a reduced range, trebs an increase etc.
I think increasing siege damage overall was needed, but this is overkill."According to most of the people on these forums, every organized 16 man guild group is a lagblobbing pulsespamming zerg."-Fmonk2 -
Decimus_Rex✭✭✭
It is hardly more effective than anything else.
- Siege weapons must be placed, you cant place them anywhere. It takes time.
- You cant move or heal yourself while shooting. Easy targets for any sniper.
- It is easy to evade a siegeweapon attack
Yes siegeweapons are very effective now, but only under the right circumstances.
1. Virtually everywhere in Cyrodiil I can take advantage of siege, even in towers, cubbies, open field. There are very limited places where I can not take advantage of siege.
2. Yes I can move and heal myself while shooting, only terrible players sit on a siege when its reloading. It takes about 1 second to activate your siege, fire it, then drop it and return to evading attacks, healing, etc. This is a terrible point only useful against bad players.
3. It is easy to evade siege weapon attack once again in only certain situations where you shouldn't be using siege anyway. I'll see you guys tonight where I get guaranteed siege hits, this whole point of "oh just don't get hit by siege" is laughable. When there is enough siege you cannot avoid it all and in many of the strongest cases it cannot be avoided, such as keep takes.
As for @woodsro we both want the same thing, but have very clearly different ideas on what this change will do. I give you that siege will make defending a keep easier with smaller numbers, no doubt about that. However, the zerg will overall benefit more from this change is my point as detailed in the other thread we commented on (and I created). Time will tell for sure, but I am highly skeptical of siege being the answer to zergs in keeps too since a big enough zerg makes siege not work.
I will bet that siege will be seen as way to powerful now in less than a week.
I've watched 2 people on siege and maybe 6 others hold off 20 at a keep all day long so far.
I am playing in nonvet right now and as a DK I'm getting hit anywhere from 13 to 24 k per tick siege damage.
In open field battle you can evade the attacks, taking a keep you WILL GET HIT!!
Then just watch your HP melt away.
One or two more hits from any enemy your dead if the siege doesn't roast you real quick
There is no challenge to this change, just stay away from siege at all costs
That's not a valid strategy
it will encourage turtling and keep avoidance
I know people wont listen and say Nonvet, baddie, scrub but when you and 19 others cant take a keep away from 2 people on siege and a couple others running around getting 2 hit kills it is frustrating .
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✭✭✭Only complaints I've heard about bats is when it could make vampires invulnerable. And I don't mean like people think ward makes sorcerers invulnerable. I mean literally him just standing there with forty people beating on him with silver bolts and fire skills and fire siege and nothing at all happens to his health bar. It got fixed at some point. Did it come back?"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey its like this..if they don't change it..I can stand on a wall allll daaay looong and get my kill quests completed with siege..fine by me.0 -
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✭We were fighting epic battles between keeps with players setting up siege on both sides and everyone spreading out braveheart style. It's not hard to rush someone on siege.
This is what siege should have been doing all along, it's freaking great.
I suggest anyone dieing to single siege think about putting purge on their bar, or getting more health, or learning how to avoid it.2 -
Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tintinabula wrote: »Hey its like this..if they don't change it..I can stand on a wall allll daaay looong and get my kill quests completed with siege..fine by me.
Good luck doing that "all day long" if the attack force is competent.Edited by Domander on March 24, 2015 1:48AM0 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tintinabula wrote: »Hey its like this..if they don't change it..I can stand on a wall allll daaay looong and get my kill quests completed with siege..fine by me.
Good luck doing that "all day long" if the attack force is competent.
Its what I did today. Couldn't have been easier to one shot ppl with fireballista and get my templars and sorcs and nightblades and dragon knights.
P.S. actually got it done faster than regular pvp..so..all good
Edited by Tintinabula on March 24, 2015 2:03AM0 -
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✭Finally siege is useful for more than just hitting walls again. It can finally be useful in defense. It was pretty ridiculous when you fire giant rocks and flaming balls of fire at a dancing enemy who's stacked shields absorb it without any issue. Siege should always be a threat, you get a big red circle on the ground, it's easy enough and slow enough to avoid.1 -
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✭Tintinabula wrote: »Tintinabula wrote: »Hey its like this..if they don't change it..I can stand on a wall allll daaay looong and get my kill quests completed with siege..fine by me.
Good luck doing that "all day long" if the attack force is competent.
Its what I did today. Couldn't have been easier to one shot ppl with fireballista and get my templars and sorcs and nightblades and dragon knights.
P.S. actually got it done faster than regular pvp..so..all good
A competent attack force would be counter sieging you with trebs/catapults/ballista, targeting you, or flanking you if out in the open. I'm glad you had fun. It's good that siege actually does enough damage to need to be avoided or really defended against. It's great to see it being usedEdited by Domander on March 24, 2015 2:18AM0 -
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✭Tintinabula wrote: »Tintinabula wrote: »Hey its like this..if they don't change it..I can stand on a wall allll daaay looong and get my kill quests completed with siege..fine by me.
Good luck doing that "all day long" if the attack force is competent.
Its what I did today. Couldn't have been easier to one shot ppl with fireballista and get my templars and sorcs and nightblades and dragon knights.
P.S. actually got it done faster than regular pvp..so..all good
A competent attack force would be counter sieging you with trebs/catapults/ballista, targeting you, or flanking you if out in the open. I'm glad you had fun. It's good that siege actually does enough damage to need to be avoided or really defended against. It's great to see it being used
didnt say it was fun.0
