Soloed a Resource - Stone Treb

Verdwhisper · March 2015

well, will this make pvp exciting? Take resources and you win! You literally need to do nothing, sneak 1 guy or 2 near every resources and capture them 2-3min before every score round. Exciting! No large scale pvp and more about pve resources or fight with no more than 10 ppl all day! And running through the map all day! No transport line for u! Or u know wht, screw the scoreboard, eventually ppl will only care about ap farming.

Armethius · March 2015

this is tight.

Imdrefan · March 2015

I hope everyone enjoyed Transit between keeps, that will soon be a thing of the past when three people can simultaneously attack resources and cut transit.

Agrippa_Invisus · March 2015

EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »

I hope everyone enjoyed Transit between keeps, that will soon be a thing of the past when three people can simultaneously attack resources and cut transit.

Guess players better spread out and guard those resources, neh?

JTorus · March 2015

Verdwhisper wrote: »

well, will this make pvp exciting? Take resources and you win! You literally need to do nothing, sneak 1 guy or 2 near every resources and capture them 2-3min before every score round. Exciting! No large scale pvp and more about pve resources or fight with no more than 10 ppl all day! And running through the map all day! No transport line for u! Or u know wht, screw the scoreboard, eventually ppl will only care about ap farming.

People only care about AP gains now. Everyone watches those numbers, everyone strives to get more. PvP success is undeniably measured in points. There is nothing wrong with it.

Transport lanes will become a valuable asset, something to defend. One faction will attempt to 'snipe' a resource while another faction works to ensure that doesn't happen. Expect to see smalls scale skirmishes.

Where transport is broken, there will be an urgency to push towards the isolated keeps. You can be sure that this will take place deeper into 'home' territory and not so close to the ring. Expect to be ganked.

I think this will start to make Cyrodiil even more hostile than it already is... and it should be that way.

WebBull · March 2015

Huntler wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There have been other things being discussed for the guards regarding their ability ranges and upgrades. It was a known factor that the guards were going to be significantly weaker compared to the Siege damage changes going in. The guards are currently intended to be a deterrent for players without siege weaponry but if you do have a weapon, have at it.

In the overall scheme of things with the current focus on spreading people out as Paul mentioned, if more players can take resources requiring less players to do so with the aid of siege weaponry than could before, this can encourage players to do so.

All that being said, we are looking at the server performance and gameplay experience after these changes and will adjust them if needed

If resources can be taken by 1 person so easily, what is the purpose of the resource? What is the purpose of the guards? A time sink? Because it surely is no longer a deterrent against gankers or smaller numbers, it certainly isn't of strategic value or defensive benefit anymore. Its a liability to a keep if anything.

Personally I don't really think there is much need for guards at resources at all. Put the resource flags and guards INSIDE the towers and make the towers about half as strong as keep walls.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2015

Verdwhisper wrote: »

well, will this make pvp exciting? Take resources and you win! You literally need to do nothing, sneak 1 guy or 2 near every resources and capture them 2-3min before every score round. Exciting! No large scale pvp and more about pve resources or fight with no more than 10 ppl all day! And running through the map all day! No transport line for u! Or u know wht, screw the scoreboard, eventually ppl will only care about ap farming.

I don't believe most players in Cyrodiil even understand the scoring, let alone care whether a particular objective will result in higher score for your faction at the end of the campaign.

They certainly notice when their health drops if they lose emperor, however.

NukeAllTheThings · March 2015

Let's see, first people [snip] because too many zergs running around and there is a giant map with too little to do other than take keeps. Now it looks like those resources might actually mean something if you want to travel quickly around the map and people will [snip] about that too. What I see here is a way to make resurces a heck of a lot more valuable. Without FC's in the game, this gives a small raid a real opportunity to complete an objective behind enemy lines that will impact the map. This is also an opportunity for lowbies and new people to do something more than die. For all those that don't care about PVE'ing resources there are 2 more in your faction more than happy to do it.

I don't know yet if taking these are too fast or not, I want to see how it impacts strategy. If it is, then it can be changed just as fast as it was implemented. It really doesn't matter though because people are going to [snip] about every change made, not made and should be made.

Right, wrong or indifferent I applaud @ZOS_BrianWheeler for at least trying something new.

Verdwhisper · March 2015

Bring back camps, or the campaign will be extremely slow paced.

DDuke · March 2015

Chillic wrote: »

JTorus wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

.... The guards are currently intended to be a deterrent for players without siege weaponry but if you do have a weapon, have at it. ....

I may be in the minority, but I see this as a good thing.

Agree 100%

This should get some small scale action going. Have a quest to take X farm, grab a friend(or solo) and take it.

You could always solo them as a bow user (using Snipe). I see no issues with making it possible for more playstyles as well, so this is indeed a good change imo.

Davadin · March 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »

I hope everyone enjoyed Transit between keeps, that will soon be a thing of the past when three people can simultaneously attack resources and cut transit.

Guess players better spread out and guard those resources, neh?

Maulkin · March 2015

Huntler wrote: »

If resources can be taken by 1 person so easily, what is the purpose of the resource? What is the purpose of the guards? A time sink? Because it surely is no longer a deterrent against gankers or smaller numbers, it certainly isn't of strategic value or defensive benefit anymore. Its a liability to a keep if anything.

I understand the concern, but if resources are a liability to a keep, doesn't that give players a reason to attack/defend them? Thus spreading the play?

Two players could take a resource in a minute anyway so if with sieges they can take it 10" faster/slower does it really make any difference?

I'm sitting on the fence here, all I'm really saying is let's try it out for a few weeks (I haven't got the patch in EU yet btw), before we get all negative about it.

I was positive about the increase when first discussed but when the numbers got released I became a bit skeptical about the size of it. Let's see where we're at mid-April. If it's a crap change I'll complain as much as I have about the Forward Camp removal

ToRelax · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There have been other things being discussed for the guards regarding their ability ranges and upgrades. It was a known factor that the guards were going to be significantly weaker compared to the Siege damage changes going in. The guards are currently intended to be a deterrent for players without siege weaponry but if you do have a weapon, have at it.

In the overall scheme of things with the current focus on spreading people out as Paul mentioned, if more players can take resources requiring less players to do so with the aid of siege weaponry than could before, this can encourage players to do so.

All that being said, we are looking at the server performance and gameplay experience after these changes and will adjust them if needed

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I remember from April that we used fire ballistas to keep the guard's aggro at someone out of range, so the other players could take a resource (when we were all lowe levels). We were not able to kill the guards with just siege.
The problem with this change is that you can not defend a resource against larger then.
In the end people just won't even try defending resources anymore (but certainly tower farm a lot).
Please make it so siege does not kill NPCs and does reduced damage against them.

Huntler · March 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There have been other things being discussed for the guards regarding their ability ranges and upgrades. It was a known factor that the guards were going to be significantly weaker compared to the Siege damage changes going in. The guards are currently intended to be a deterrent for players without siege weaponry but if you do have a weapon, have at it.

In the overall scheme of things with the current focus on spreading people out as Paul mentioned, if more players can take resources requiring less players to do so with the aid of siege weaponry than could before, this can encourage players to do so.

All that being said, we are looking at the server performance and gameplay experience after these changes and will adjust them if needed

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I remember from April that we used fire ballistas to keep the guard's aggro at someone out of range, so the other players could take a resource (when we were all lowe levels). We were not able to kill the guards with just siege.
The problem with this change is that you can not defend a resource against larger then.
In the end people just won't even try defending resources anymore (but certainly tower farm a lot).
Please make it so siege does not kill NPCs and does reduced damage against them.

Ding ding ding. A large zerg doesn't even have to attempt to take on the smaller force in the defended area. Just siege the guards from range. GG, the smaller force can't push head on into the zerg. The defensive advantage of a resource was just removed completely, this benefits the zerg.

JTorus · March 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Ding ding ding. A large zerg doesn't even have to attempt to take on the smaller force in the defended area. Just siege the guards from range. GG, the smaller force can't push head on into the zerg. The defensive advantage of a resource was just removed completely, this benefits the zerg.

Why would they push head on into a zerg that they can now disperse with well placed siege?

Playing devil's advocate here. I always believed that if any living thing got hit with siege, it should remove their head.

Orchish · March 2015

Resources can be solo'd by decent players as is, siege is fine by me. If it makes it easier for us to cut off keeps and cause players to break off from zergs to deal with this then great.

Rylana · March 2015

The master of the fire ballista has returned. GG, I shall slay thee all not with class skills but with double fisted fire ballistas of doom.

Orchish · March 2015

EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »

I hope everyone enjoyed Transit between keeps, that will soon be a thing of the past when three people can simultaneously attack resources and cut transit.

Really? two people could take a level 5 resources fairly easy before this change.

JTorus · March 2015

Orchish wrote: »

EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »

I hope everyone enjoyed Transit between keeps, that will soon be a thing of the past when three people can simultaneously attack resources and cut transit.

Really? two people could take a level 5 resources fairly easy before this change.

Yeah, but not just any two people could manage it. Now it's significantly easier for just about anyone to manage. Which I foresee being a good thing.

WebBull · March 2015

EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »

I hope everyone enjoyed Transit between keeps, that will soon be a thing of the past when three people can simultaneously attack resources and cut transit.

That's fine. Another 2 people can simply back cap. If anything it might make people spread out and defend.

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO · March 2015

CitraBenzoet_ESO wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Man; I can't wait for it to be my turn just sitting at a keep watching for attackers. That will be so much fun. Who needs all that extra XP out there to be had anyway?

Well some people already do take turns for scout duty. I call it snack time. But whatever.

Whats the point of groups? One person can defend keeps against entire armies. Take resources. if undefended a single person could break down the walls of a keep fire a few shots and take the flag themselves. There is no skill anymore. PvP isn't fun with this update. There are no actual fights that take any skill whatsoever. Its a race to setup a single ballista.
Well with all the people about to quit, I think you solved the lag problem!

Lorkhan · March 2015

WebBull wrote: »

EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »

I hope everyone enjoyed Transit between keeps, that will soon be a thing of the past when three people can simultaneously attack resources and cut transit.

That's fine. Another 2 people can simply back cap. If anything it might make people spread out and defend.

i agree. we need to adapt, rethink the strategies... im excited for tonight

Obscure · March 2015

I wuz soloin' campz befo' it wuz kool, lol.

Seems like the design strategy has come full circle, with XP going back up in Cyrodiil, guards getting toned back down, and siege doing more damage. Just gotta make Cyrodiil quests infinitely repeatable, and it'll be just how it was back in the old closed testing days (which kept all of the towns populated for some spontaneous "open world feel" PvP action).

Some times the best way to step forward is to take a big step back

#betawasbetter

The_Death_Princess · March 2015

Frankly, all this boggles the mind.

1. Prior to 1.6, some lag issues, but rare, could be traced to specific battles against specific guilds.
2. Enter 1.6/2.x massive lag appears, probably from old code that fixes had been applied long ago.
3. Devs say they cant figure it out.
4. Why wasnt this predicted on PTS?
5. A change proposed to help - make all gaurds ~irrelevant and more points for camping gaurds.
6. Spread the gankers, but ignore the large guilds that run to avoid gankers.

Really?

As I have always suggested, ZOS, start listening to the experienced players that are pointing out where the lag is coming from and do something about it.

Huntler · March 2015

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Frankly, all this boggles the mind.

1. Prior to 1.6, some lag issues, but rare, could be traced to specific battles against specific guilds.
2. Enter 1.6/2.x massive lag appears, probably from old code that fixes had been applied long ago.
3. Devs say they cant figure it out.
4. Why wasnt this predicted on PTS?
5. A change proposed to help - make all gaurds ~irrelevant and more points for camping gaurds.
6. Spread the gankers, but ignore the large guilds that run to avoid gankers.

Really?

As I have always suggested, ZOS, start listening to the experienced players that are pointing out where the lag is coming from and do something about it.

It was predicted on the PTS, they even had a public pvp stress test and it failed miserably due to "unforseen bugs" in which case all the blame was placed there. Yeah... Uhuh.

frozywozy · March 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There have been other things being discussed for the guards regarding their ability ranges and upgrades. It was a known factor that the guards were going to be significantly weaker compared to the Siege damage changes going in. The guards are currently intended to be a deterrent for players without siege weaponry but if you do have a weapon, have at it.

In the overall scheme of things with the current focus on spreading people out as Paul mentioned, if more players can take resources requiring less players to do so with the aid of siege weaponry than could before, this can encourage players to do so.

All that being said, we are looking at the server performance and gameplay experience after these changes and will adjust them if needed

Manufacturing artificial mechanics that force players to "spread out" because you guys can't/won't improve performance on your end will be the death of pvp. Enjoy the fiery train wreck that was once the highly anticipated pvp of ESO capable of having "hundreds of players on screen at once."

What is killing PVP in TESO is the constant negative attitude and whining from people like you who are never going to be satisfied no matter the hard work of Zenimax to address the issues.

Tintinabula · March 2015

Seriously can ZOS do anything in shades of grey?..its either siege does NOTHING/no dps..or its hitting for 25K..cmon can ZOS not figure out what middle of the road means?

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO · March 2015

If siege is going to be this powerful IMHO you should make Siege a skill line. And make it not easy to master. Also make it cost a lot of skill points.

Phoenix99 · March 2015

I like it, it only makes sense, and i like anything that increases value of siege weapons, at least people will actually spend their alliance points for them

Kilandros · March 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There have been other things being discussed for the guards regarding their ability ranges and upgrades. It was a known factor that the guards were going to be significantly weaker compared to the Siege damage changes going in. The guards are currently intended to be a deterrent for players without siege weaponry but if you do have a weapon, have at it.

In the overall scheme of things with the current focus on spreading people out as Paul mentioned, if more players can take resources requiring less players to do so with the aid of siege weaponry than could before, this can encourage players to do so.

All that being said, we are looking at the server performance and gameplay experience after these changes and will adjust them if needed

Manufacturing artificial mechanics that force players to "spread out" because you guys can't/won't improve performance on your end will be the death of pvp. Enjoy the fiery train wreck that was once the highly anticipated pvp of ESO capable of having "hundreds of players on screen at once."

What is killing PVP in TESO is the constant negative attitude and whining from people like you who are never going to be satisfied no matter the hard work of Zenimax to address the issues.

Wow, ouch. I'll gladly eat my own words if and when ZOS fixes pvp lag. But they insist on putting performance issues on us ( see, e.g., telling us to spread out, turn down our graphics etc).

I'm not the bad guy here. I just want to enjoy pvp without lagging out during keep fights.