Should ZOS and ESO dabble in Mature Content?

BlueViolet · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

ThirtySevenCoins wrote: »

TheShadowScout, spot on. It's about the intelligent use of mature content not puerile content. Nobody wants trash.

This.
I would like darker, grittier themes, but not really into pixel nudity flopping all over the place. I find that kind of thing more amusingly silly than mature.

ThirtySevenCoins wrote: »

I agree with Arato, I think a lot of players just want the same level of maturity as Skyrim. It was great to hunt down the serial killer of Windhelm who was collecting body parts from women for his necromantic ritual and finally take the creep out. Also the weirdo necromancer in the ice cave who was abducting young women, murdering them and binding their souls to his will to be used as his guards and "companions", I think he was also having "relations" with his Draugr slaves.

Yes, this kind of thing. I really enjoyed the serial killer quest.

LIQUID741 · March 2015

ehhh, I never want to walk into a Pixel brothel and see a bunch of squeakers going AFK while watching naked cats.

Ffastyl · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I have not put in the time to read beyond the opening post, so excuse me if this is repetitive/redundant.

If the M rating is embraced then more realism can be added to ESO. Decaying bodies, blood, gore, the standard stuff, but where it makes sense. For example, zombies could be reworked to something like Oblivion's,

which (in adition to their audio files) disgusted me to the point of being terrified. I cannot tell you how much I dreaded encountering a zombie.

The various dead persons found throughout Tamriel could be more fleshed out as well. With actual bodies to work with, they can be clothed, partially clothed, or naked. And without notes to go on, the clothes will add all the more to speculation.

But where I hope ESO does not lose its sight in embracing the mature rating is light hearted and solemn material. Gore and more gore is not the only way to go down the avenue of mature. Storylines that delve more into questioning man's/mer's nature, graying their and our morals are a good path to go down. They do not have to be bloody, nor deadly, just explore the topics normally avoided in decent company.
And happier stories are welcome, although relieving may be a better word. The stories that leave you with a good feeling in your heart, reaffirming that there is some decency left in humanity, and thinking about what defines decency. Granted, those types of stories are often long as the audience needs numerous experiences with the characters to see the world from their perspective. It'd be nice to have a story like this in future ESO content, but I would not expect more than one.

Streega · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I vote for "mature" staff, but only because this game seems infantile sometimes. Those new prude armors, perfectly clean and healthy beggars, diseased and zombie, super-proper language... Let some spice to the game: crispy jokes, sexy outfits (yes, who cares?), allow some stong language (especialy from enemies, they are so polite or silent now). But no bouncing boobs and bikini armors (stoopid!), pools of blood (excessive) and gory splashes (laggy), please.

frould · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I think, maybe Molag bal is a kind guy and a bit stubborn. He let me escape the cell in purpose and when i beat him later he even come to congratulation party and when i heard his calm voice i'm not feel threaten at all. Really feel they make game for 13.

Fox Hunter · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I think that a non sexy crude-nudity would fit very well in ESO.
And some blood in my blades would be very apreciated too.

MornaBaine · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

"Better" violence would be one of my wish list items. Oh how I miss the fatalities from Age of Conan! And for probably the 100th time...can we talk about the awful feeding animation for vampires? Let the vamps get up close and personal with their victims please!

I'm fine without having full nudity for characters but can we PLEASE get a wider range of clothing options??? ZOS turned all my wonderful Redguard light armor into nun's habits and that's just not okay!

Wolfchild07 · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

i said yes but there is a big problem it can't be done, simple reason is parents who will get the game for their kids

Parents who don't care what games their kids play and don't supervise them I think is more accurate. They just want their kids to be occupied so they just sit there while the parents do whatever they feel like. Those people shouldn't even be allowed to have kids. Too much responsibility? Whose fault is that?

Yes we should have blood n gore. Might not be "mature" content according to some, but it IS adult content.

Drugs are ok, kids. Also, when you stab someone, they won't bleed. I mean, really, it already has adult content.

Vahrokh · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I don't get with the hypocrite puritanism we have in our days.

Polytically correct and clean did not really work in middle age, where a child could walk in town and see a number of guys on the blocks, burnt alive and more.

Quite sure they did not put an ESRB rating during the French Revolution and they happily decapitated people with all kinds of age people clapping their hands around.

But, if I wanted to see half inch of cleavage or a red tip on a sword in ESO, then it's asking for too much.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2015

No, they should lessen the 'Mature' content and strive for a lower Pegi/ESRB rating.

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

So, I feel like one of these discussions should be had, because I personally feel that ESO isn't making full use of their current ESRB/Pegi rating, and not going as far as other ES games have.

Now, for those who aren't aware, ZOS originally strived for a 'T' rating with ESRB, and the Pegi equivalent, which I think is 'Pegi 12' but I am not entirely sure. Anyway, this original goal can be seen when comparing some of the original content of the game to the more recent content, but even then the recent content ZOS has added feels like it could have gone a bit further in 'Mature' stuff, i.e. gore, blood, violence, dark themes, although I must say that ZOS did a great job with the new coldharbour intro (That guy being tossed onto the spike was just amazing to watch).

With future content ever on the horizon, especially since this is an MMO, the question arises on how should this content be handled. They could push to have the game lessened in rating by not including gory, graphic, or 'dark' themes in the game, and try to lessen those currently in, and get a rating more in line with their original goals, but some would feel (myself for example), that this would kill the ES feeling of the game.

Now, on the other game, they could, with future content, add more gory, graphic, and 'dark' themes with future content, and maybe go as far as to put it into old content by reworking some things like quests and the like, similar to how they have with delves, and really strive to make use of the current content ratings the game has. They could, for instance, add pools of blood at the bodies of slain enemies (I talked about this in a previous thread), add more general half decayed bodies, gory bits and blood on tables in dungeons and around the rooms, etc. They also could, to address the elephant in the room that I have seen other people dance around in previous threads, add nudity themes to the game, because lets not forget, this is an ES game, and if you go to the mod download places for the game (Skyrim/Oblivions Nexus for instance), you could probably find hundreds of mods for nudity and the like, but I would imagine that an addition such as this would be disable-able in the settings menu to add a "safe" version of the game, because you know social acceptance and the like.

Anyway, what do you think, should ESO try to go back to its original goal, stay on its current path which seems to be walking the line between 'T' and 'M', or go for more 'Mature' content?

If you make the game adults only you have to do huge overhauls to everything and considering kids already have access they would have to make it ESO2 so that all players pass the adults only age gate.

Bad idea for a struggling game

Glurin · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

It's not just about blood and guts and dark themes. Sex and nudity is also fine with me, but like I said earlier it has to fit.

You walk into a brothel and happen to see one of the girls walking down the hall completely naked, that's fine. You expect to see that kind of thing from time to time when visiting one of those types of establishments.

You visit the market in Windhelm and for some completely inexplicable and nonsensical reason half the shopkeepers are topless and there's a couple NPCs over by the well having a "good time", that's out.

newtinmpls · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Streega wrote: »

I vote for "mature" staff, but only because this game seems infantile sometimes. Those new prude armors, perfectly clean and healthy beggars, diseased and zombie, super-proper language... Let some spice to the game: crispy jokes, sexy outfits (yes, who cares?), allow some stong language (especialy from enemies, they are so polite or silent now). But no bouncing boobs and bikini armors (stoopid!), pools of blood (excessive) and gory splashes (laggy), please.

Well said!

I want mature, evil, enemies doing horrible things to the point where I not only want, but feel ethically compelled to kill them. I don't need "gore" to show it. Some of the most disturbing and mature (and tragic) things in this game have been diary entries or letters written by people who know they are going to die, or even notes by sick sick sick individuals bragging about their "genius".

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

So, I feel like one of these discussions should be had, because I personally feel that ESO isn't making full use of their current ESRB/Pegi rating, and not going as far as other ES games have.

Now, for those who aren't aware, ZOS originally strived for a 'T' rating with ESRB, and the Pegi equivalent, which I think is 'Pegi 12' but I am not entirely sure. Anyway, this original goal can be seen when comparing some of the original content of the game to the more recent content, but even then the recent content ZOS has added feels like it could have gone a bit further in 'Mature' stuff, i.e. gore, blood, violence, dark themes, although I must say that ZOS did a great job with the new coldharbour intro (That guy being tossed onto the spike was just amazing to watch).

With future content ever on the horizon, especially since this is an MMO, the question arises on how should this content be handled. They could push to have the game lessened in rating by not including gory, graphic, or 'dark' themes in the game, and try to lessen those currently in, and get a rating more in line with their original goals, but some would feel (myself for example), that this would kill the ES feeling of the game.

Now, on the other game, they could, with future content, add more gory, graphic, and 'dark' themes with future content, and maybe go as far as to put it into old content by reworking some things like quests and the like, similar to how they have with delves, and really strive to make use of the current content ratings the game has. They could, for instance, add pools of blood at the bodies of slain enemies (I talked about this in a previous thread), add more general half decayed bodies, gory bits and blood on tables in dungeons and around the rooms, etc. They also could, to address the elephant in the room that I have seen other people dance around in previous threads, add nudity themes to the game, because lets not forget, this is an ES game, and if you go to the mod download places for the game (Skyrim/Oblivions Nexus for instance), you could probably find hundreds of mods for nudity and the like, but I would imagine that an addition such as this would be disable-able in the settings menu to add a "safe" version of the game, because you know social acceptance and the like.

Anyway, what do you think, should ESO try to go back to its original goal, stay on its current path which seems to be walking the line between 'T' and 'M', or go for more 'Mature' content?

If you make the game adults only you have to do huge overhauls to everything and considering kids already have access they would have to make it ESO2 so that all players pass the adults only age gate.

Bad idea for a struggling game

It has an M rating and had it since release so that is not an argument. Secondly especially for a struggling game you need to make it *special*. Atm it has become immensely average in terms of content. I feel like i am back in those MMO's that i actually quit for the sole reason that they were incredibly shallow and boring story and contentwise.
Now what you want is a strong community and a loyal community. And i say it again, you will NOT find that in their target audience.
If you target kids you're going to have a moody, complaining and impatient community with no loyalty to the game whatsoever.
The core audience should always have been the Elder Scrolls fans that have been loyal to the series for a long time, aka Daggerfall /Morrowind.
And if they actually gave the game some *real* character it would also attract newcomers and not just the ones that switch to another MMO just because this one is too...what? Eccentric? Gritty? Dark? Has parts that are extremely evil and at the same time incredibly entertaining? Yea i don't think anyone will leave a game for that reason.
The sexual themes are secondary for me really, as is the gore, i am talking about atmosphere, choices and depth.
Of course some cleavage, raunchiness and gore will never harm a game but attract more people.
Sex sells, Gore sells, Shocking effects and moments also sell.
Really don't see your point.

Aerieth · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I voted yes. Mature content makes a game immersive, lack of it makes a game boring. If you can't handle some blood and cleavage, maybe you shouldn't be playing an Elder Scrolls game.

Entering the haunted house in Skyrim only to get trapped and ordered around by Molag Bal was actually entertaining, though I might have actually been a bit scared for a moment there. None the less, it made me feel something. That's immersion.

Getting shouted at by Molag Bal in ESO feels like I'm listening to a cartoon baddie. Not scary. Not entertaining. No feeling what so ever. Mostly just the same generic stuff you hear from bad guys in kids games. Not to even mention Coldharbour. That place looked like somewhere I'd go for a vacation, rather than what you'd expect after reading or hearing about the place.

All I ask is a bit more realism for the sake of immersion. Tamriel isn't all rainbows and unicorns. It can be a dark and gory place sometimes, just as it can be beautiful and peaceful. I want both sides of the spectrum.

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Aerieth wrote: »

I voted yes. Mature content makes a game immersive, lack of it makes a game boring. If you can't handle some blood and cleavage, maybe you shouldn't be playing an Elder Scrolls game.

Entering the haunted house in Skyrim only to get trapped and ordered around by Molag Bal was actually entertaining, though I might have actually been a bit scared for a moment there. None the less, it made me feel something. That's immersion.

Getting shouted at by Molag Bal in ESO feels like I'm listening to a cartoon baddie. Not scary. Not entertaining. No feeling what so ever. Mostly just the same generic stuff you hear from bad guys in kids games. Not to even mention Coldharbour. That place looked like somewhere I'd go for a vacation, rather than what you'd expect after reading or hearing about the place.

All I ask is a bit more realism for the sake of immersion. Tamriel isn't all rainbows and unicorns. It can be a dark and gory place sometimes, just as it can be beautiful and peaceful. I want both sides of the spectrum.

That's what i thought, doing a dolmen run for vet ranks... the voice just sounds so cartoonish.
"and i would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling mortals".
Coldharbour looks, admittedly cold (good job ZOS), but since this isn't Frozen Online, but Elder Scrolls online, i expected a bit more.. i don't know? *** and Domination? Endless torment and an oppressing atmosphere? Bondage and Slaves.... yea. Something along those lines.

Seeing that the actual title of Molag Bal is being censored ( wow..... just wow) he is now also the God of tiny stars and prudence. Well done ZOS.... keep it up, maybe all the devs can make a little circle and dance around with their community of 12 year olds on a happy virtual meadow.
Count me out.

Lynnessa · March 2015

No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.

I think it's already mature enough.

For example, there is a quest where you inform a mother that her son died trying to get kwama eggs as a gift for her. She laments his foolishness. She says that she will make an omelette, and it will be salted with her tears and peppered with her grief. That's the entire quest. Sad and bleak and not appropriate for children. There are plenty of quests like this in the game...

I don't think the game needs more violence or sex, either.

Cathrin · March 2015

I wouldn't mind if it is more "mature". That begins with language user and ends with more explicit scenes. Did someone mentioned The Witcher here? That is the perfect mixture! But I can understand that there are countries, where this is not as appropriate, as it is in other ones.
Sex for example is not so cool in the USA, gore is, in my country it is vice versa. You can see naked people in the afternoon tv, but violence is a no go. It is hard to decide which way to go with this game, so the question is, if ZOS sees their game more like Lord of the Rings or like Game of Thrones.

In the end, all that does not matter, if the over all story is catching!

Craven_Killmore · March 2015

No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.

no, because if they did most of you wouldn't be allowed to play.

curlyqloub14_ESO · March 2015

No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

So what, exactly do you want? Because if it's just juvenile blood splatter and naked ladies, then that's not mature content. That's excessive content.

^^ This pretty much. I'm a girl, I don't want to see pixel boobies - it's just distasteful. This game has a pretty substantial female population. Some of them may feel differently, but I know quite a few who would be pretty disgusted if this game starts to have full nudity. You want that, go play Second Life.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2015

letohatcheeub17_ESO wrote: »

Thats a YES !! Its seems ZOS has gone puritanical .. and I want my sexy female Orc cuirress back !

Puritanical? Really? How about logical and realistic. I found the Orc female heavy armor Cuirass to be ridiculous. I can assure you that Joan of Arc did not enter the battlefield baring her breasts just so an arrow or pike or sword could easily e jabbed into her heart. I find the notion of the sexy heroine in video games to be mentally deficient. This is not Conan. I think for the most part it is the less mature audiences (teenagers & and early twenty crowd) that want to see breasts everywhere and unnecessary gore. Sometimes less is more, a fact that a lot of entertainers in the movie making industry have forgotten. The game has innuendo, it has lurid texts, some of which I personally find childish but it is at least more tasteful than what some are asking for. The change to Orc armor was much needed considering the culture crafting that armor.

When we travel through the game there are a lot of horrors we come across, from people being tortured in cages, rounded up in death camps, having their souls trapped and used to power evil magical machinery. I think this is where the games rating comes from. If you want to play Conan and see breasts and gore, that game is still around. If you want to play an Elder Scrolls game online, then this is it.

Vis · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Yes, but I mean mature in the sense they should explore more mature themes. I don't want a *** game. There is nothing "adult" about adolescent objectification of women.

When I say mature I am talking about broaching topics inappropriate for young children such as: faith, love, poverty, genocide, racism, sex trafficking, slavery, etc. It would be nice to see more games maturely add perspective to these real world issues.

Edit: I did not mean to suggest faith and love are inappropriate topics for children. Nor do I consider them in anyway negative. I meant to say deeper expressions of faith and love.

DogFaceInBananaPatch · March 2015

Vis wrote: »

Yes, but I mean mature in the sense they should explore more mature themes. I don't want a *** game. There is nothing "adult" about adolescent objectification of women.

When I say mature I am talking about broaching topics inappropriate for young children such as: faith, love, poverty, genocide, racism, sex trafficking, slavery, etc. It would be nice to see more games maturely add perspective to these real world issues.

Edit: I did not mean to suggest faith and love are inappropriate topics for children. Nor do I consider them in anyway negative. I meant to say deeper expressions of faith and love.

Well said! Now if only quest stories were presented for a mature audience. Way too many are wrote as if a 12 year old was telling me the story. I'm waiting for the high-five option and the "cool thanks bye" dialogue for quest completion.

SG_Celerrimus · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Yea, I think a lot of people, when they see the word 'Mature' they automatically think all nudity and nothing else, and while I mentioned it originally, my main point was more graphic depictions of gore, poverty, sickness, etc. Themes that you don't find in cartoony games where everything is supposed to be all sunshine and rainbows.

Aerieth · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Lynnessa wrote: »

I think it's already mature enough.

For example, there is a quest where you inform a mother that her son died trying to get kwama eggs as a gift for her. She laments his foolishness. She says that she will make an omelette, and it will be salted with her tears and peppered with her grief. That's the entire quest. Sad and bleak and not appropriate for children. There are plenty of quests like this in the game...

I don't think the game needs more violence or sex, either.

Have you not ever read fairy tales? Little red riding hood was more shocking than the quest you described. How about Hansel and Gretel (the children's story, not the movie)? Those had more content you'd consider "mature" than the vast majority of this games quests.

Just because the concept matter is about death, doesn't mean it's maturely presented. Don't know about you, but I'd rather have realism than sugar coated purple ponies shooting out rainbows out of their ears.

ThirtySevenCoins · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I said before that mature is a loaded word. In gaming some people see it as the lowest common denominator, in your face cheap trash content, a T&A flesh fest. That's not what I think and it's not what I want.

I would just like to see better quests and characters as they just seem too lightweight/shallow at the moment. I have previously mentioned quests from Skyrim that moved into darker material as examples and BTW I don't want this to be Skyrim 2, but it could do with a bit of that game's atmosphere. I would rather see it as a standalone evolution from the TES series bringing depth and intelligence along with RP to the MMO arena set in the TES universe. I enjoy this game but it could be even better with a little bit of imagination. At the moment at it's worst the game can feel a bit like a Scooby Doo/Narnia hybrid and that's a shame.

Glurin · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

So what, exactly do you want? Because if it's just juvenile blood splatter and naked ladies, then that's not mature content. That's excessive content.

^^ This pretty much. I'm a girl, I don't want to see pixel boobies - it's just distasteful. This game has a pretty substantial female population. Some of them may feel differently, but I know quite a few who would be pretty disgusted if this game starts to have full nudity. You want that, go play Second Life.

Well, as far as visuals are concerned, it's the difference between just saying the bad guy keeps a stuffed poodle on the dinner table and actually seeing a stuffed poodle on the bad guy's dinner table.

To put it another way, you're watching a cop drama and everybody is gathered around a fresh crime scene talking about how there was blood everywhere and destroyed furniture and "Oh my gosh I've never seen anything so monstrous and violent in my thirty years on the force!". Yet there's no evidence of such a violent crime anywhere in scene. There's a body on the floor with a plastic tarp over it and a tipped over chair somewhere in the room. No blood, no debris, not even a spilled glass of milk.

The case evolves and they find out the guy is a cannibal and collects body parts for his living room wall and takes baths in virgin blood and any number of other really horrible things. They finally catch up to him, break down is apartment door, he stands up and points a gun at them and you get a shot of the main character shooting the killer, who then in typical Hollywood fashion flies backwards across the room and lands on the floor instantly dead. But you look around the room and all you see is a couch, coffee table, television, a couple chairs, some generic looking pictures and a potted house plant (that is most assuredly not cannabis).

Cut to the main character's office, where they talk about how they found body parts all over the guy's place and "people food" in the kitchen and a huge collection of adult entertainment next to the television etc. etc. Cut to credits.

You see where I'm going with this? Writers often refer to this sort of thing as telling v.s. showing. If everyone in the story says all the enemy soldiers wear helmets made of cheese wheels, then by God I'd better either see some cheese wheel helmets when I get shown some enemy soldiers or a good explanation as to why they're not around.

As long as there's context to it and it makes sense given the setting and scene and events, then it's generally ok as far as I'm concerned.

Arato · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

ThirtySevenCoins wrote: »

I agree with Arato, I think a lot of players just want the same level of maturity as Skyrim. It was great to hunt down the serial killer of Windhelm who was collecting body parts from women for his necromantic ritual and finally take the creep out. Also the weirdo necromancer in the ice cave who was abducting young women, murdering them and binding their souls to his will to be used as his guards and "companions". I think he was also having "relations" with his Draugr slaves. I loved wielding the sword of justice upon these vile wretches. Depth, purpose and just cause. Taste my steel, villain!!! Oh just remembered, Kids ordering assassination hits and a kid vampire assassin in Skyrim.

Not to mention Namira's daedric quest. You actually had to partake in cannibalism. It turned my stomach but I still thought it was cool that it was included because it was part of the lore.

Arato · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

Aerieth wrote: »

I voted yes. Mature content makes a game immersive, lack of it makes a game boring. If you can't handle some blood and cleavage, maybe you shouldn't be playing an Elder Scrolls game.

Entering the haunted house in Skyrim only to get trapped and ordered around by Molag Bal was actually entertaining, though I might have actually been a bit scared for a moment there. None the less, it made me feel something. That's immersion.

Getting shouted at by Molag Bal in ESO feels like I'm listening to a cartoon baddie. Not scary. Not entertaining. No feeling what so ever. Mostly just the same generic stuff you hear from bad guys in kids games. Not to even mention Coldharbour. That place looked like somewhere I'd go for a vacation, rather than what you'd expect after reading or hearing about the place.

All I ask is a bit more realism for the sake of immersion. Tamriel isn't all rainbows and unicorns. It can be a dark and gory place sometimes, just as it can be beautiful and peaceful. I want both sides of the spectrum.

That's what i thought, doing a dolmen run for vet ranks... the voice just sounds so cartoonish.
"and i would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling mortals".
Coldharbour looks, admittedly cold (good job ZOS), but since this isn't Frozen Online, but Elder Scrolls online, i expected a bit more.. i don't know? *** and Domination? Endless torment and an oppressing atmosphere? Bondage and Slaves.... yea. Something along those lines.

Seeing that the actual title of Molag Bal is being censored ( wow..... just wow) he is now also the God of tiny stars and prudence. Well done ZOS.... keep it up, maybe all the devs can make a little circle and dance around with their community of 12 year olds on a happy virtual meadow.
Count me out.

Yeah I've never been a fan of how Molag Bal was treated in this game. His real title should be used, and Coldharbor should have people hanging by their ankles from gateways being lashed by seducers and poked with spears by laughing Dremora, some tied up to racks that continually pull at them to the point of ripping off arms and legs but then releasing, so they can extend the torture.. I dunno show some Dremora waterboarding a guy even.

Right now the worst torment I've seen in what is one of the Daedric planes most equating to "Hell" in TES lore is a version of the Hunger Games.

Otherwise.. you've got a community of argonians just chilling there, another community of bosmer who just chill there, a tavern of Nords with everlasting enchanted mead, how is this supposed to be a Hell?

Cause it's got pools of blue glowy liquid?

starbuck1771b14_ESO · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Rosveen wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

They also could, to address the elephant in the room that I have seen other people dance around in previous threads, add nudity themes to the game, because lets not forget, this is an ES game, and if you go to the mod download places for the game (Skyrim/Oblivions Nexus for instance), you could probably find hundreds of mods for nudity and the like, but I would imagine that an addition such as this would be disable-able in the settings menu to add a "safe" version of the game, because you know social acceptance and the like.

I can also find mods that replace dragons with Thomas the Train, give me a thu'um turning people into cheese and dress mudcrabs in top hats and monocles. What's your point?

Well if it isn't addressed players who want it can always bail on ESO when Revival launches as it will have very graphic sex. Sure ZOS might lose money but hey as long as they follow your moral standards.

Knootewoot · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Since we kill and maim everything in TESO already how is this not 18+ now. So it's ok for "Murica" to stab innocent people in the back and sell stolen goods to a fence, but 2 nice boobs are a nono?

I say away with the undergarments. Dismemberment. Blood. Killable children.