Should ZOS and ESO dabble in Mature Content?

Shunravi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

BlackEar wrote: »

I voted yes not because I want to watch argonians getting it on, but because I do not think it is beneficial to the game to hinder itself, or in any way tone down on scenarios, that would otherwise create a more authentic and immersive experience, because of a rating.

This^

I don't really want or care for nudity or gore, but with a M rating, they have more freedom to tell a story without lessening it because of censorship.

Spottswoode · March 2015

Nirn isn't a crapsack world or a dark fantasy world. There's plenty of death and darkness, but the world isn't over run by evil flooding everywhere. They should probably turn it up or down a little here and there.

Arato · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

OH, and another thing, we stop Skooma trade multiple times in this game, but what about now with the Justice system... Outlaw refuges should have Skooma available for purchase and your character can buy, sell, use/abuse and become addicted to Skooma.

It should have beneficial effects at first but also have debilitating withdrawal effects the more you use it.

Like it should be something that can be added on top of food/drink/potions and for a time it gives you great stats, but then it wears off and you get affected by Withdrawal, which penalizes your stats instead, the only way to beat Withdrawal is to wait it out (and it has a longer duration than the Skooma buff), or take more Skooma, the more times you take Skooma to remove Withdrawal, the longer Withdrawal will build up.

Skooma is always flagged as a stolen item and cannot be laundered, and only sold to Skooma dealers in Outlaw Refuges, talking to guards even while Upstanding will have them confiscate Skooma, so life as a Skooma addict will revolve around frequent visits to Outlaw refuges for that next hit.

Drug Addiction is something I've never seen in an MMO, only alluded to, and TESO is primed for it with a lore appropriate drug that has a history in the other games and novels in the games written about the torments of Skooma addiction.

WraithAzraiel · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

BigM wrote: »

LOL to OP! I think they have mature content in game. Women married to woman and same for guys.

What makes a variety of sexual orientations mature? Homosexuals can be just as immature as heterosexuals. I'm not sure it means what you think it means.

Progressive? Sure. Mature? Not necessarily.

jcaceresw · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

TES2: Daggerfall have nude enemies like succubi. TES1: Arena even shows NPC with sexy dress showing legs and cleavage. Even the char you create use sexy and decent armor or dresses that shows cleavage

I have put some pictures. Credits go for this page (you can see more examples) betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16245

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Even such sights were recorded on video (this is for Daggerfall):

https://youtube.com/watch?v=o1vEtsMU_uI

Sorry if I break any forum rule. Images and videos are used for example purposes.

Arato · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Spottswoode wrote: »

Nirn isn't a crapsack world or a dark fantasy world. There's plenty of death and darkness, but the world isn't over run by evil flooding everywhere. They should probably turn it up or down a little here and there.

The single player games have more blood and gore, more vulgar language (such as Molag Bal's nickname in the House of Troubles), and Daggerfall even had topless females.

Ourorboros · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

As an immature old guy, I definitely approve of more mature content. Actually, I have no complaints about the current game. What bugs me more is the disparity between forum guidelines and game content. I could be banned for repeating some of the content directly from the game. They introduced many 'mature' items to steal for Ledgerdemain. Lighten up, forum mods. We should be at the same level as the game here on the forum. They say *** in the game, but I'm guessing it won't get through the forum filter.

They say *** in the game, but I'm guessing it won't get through the forum filter.

And I was right.

ndantony · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I'll take Argonian maid anytime. Woohooo... LOL

Akselmo · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

All up for it, TES games have been rather mature themed anyway.

Panda244 · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

By mature content I would expect you to mean a little more blood, a lot more language, etc. There's already dozens upon dozens of hints to sexual content through Dark Seducers and Dunmer.

There's a Dunmer female in a basement of a tavern with another Dunmer male tied up. BDSM much?

SG_Celerrimus · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I hope ZOS comes in and comments on this :P

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

The overall atmosphere is far too light and childish imo.
It's like the basics are there but the soul is missing.
Frankly i think the wrong people are on the job. It just feels like it isn't the same people who made the previous ES games.
And it shows. You hand great material to people who have no idea on how to use it and they just deliver a shallow atmosphere.

It's not just the content but also the topics.
The choices i have are barely dark or light but simply a) good or b) good.
It's basically you solving everyones problems.
All TES games had very dark themes with humorous parts and then again serious topics.
And this game has little of all of them.
Your character has no ability to play truly evil for a long period, maybe 1 or 2 quests and that's it.
The funny parts didn't really amuse me.
And the previously serious topics have been washed down to vague hints but nothing you really care about.

Shunravi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

The overall atmosphere is far too light and childish imo.
It's like the basics are there but the soul is missing.
Frankly i think the wrong people are on the job. It just feels like it isn't the same people who made the previous ES games.
And it shows. You hand great material to people who have no idea on how to use it and they just deliver a shallow atmosphere.

It's self censorship. They were aiming for a teen raiting I believe.

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

They aimed but failed. Now they have an M rating and should be happy about it.
MMO's live from their community. And if they wanted a teen friendly online game then they simply chose the wrong universe.

Panda244 · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

The overall atmosphere is far too light and childish imo.
It's like the basics are there but the soul is missing.
Frankly i think the wrong people are on the job. It just feels like it isn't the same people who made the previous ES games.
And it shows. You hand great material to people who have no idea on how to use it and they just deliver a shallow atmosphere.

It's not just the content but also the topics.
The choices i have are barely dark or light but simply a) good or b) good.
It's basically you solving everyones problems.
All TES games had very dark themes with humorous parts and then again serious topics.
And this game has little of all of them.
Your character has no ability to play truly evil for a long period, maybe 1 or 2 quests and that's it.
The funny parts didn't really amuse me.
And the previously serious topics have been washed down to vague hints but nothing you really care about.

It was the same way with 343 and Halo 4, give them time, it'll get better... Maybe not the old zones, but new zones like Wrothgar, Mirkmire, etc.

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

@Panda244 Yea i think there is a lot of options for them to make up for it.
New DLC and areas, like the DB and daedric realms are what i am looking for right now.
The old quests are quickly done but most of the time will be spent in Veteran areas anyways so those are the ones that will eventually matter.

Shunravi · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

They aimed but failed. Now they have an M rating and should be happy about it.
MMO's live from their community. And if they wanted a teen friendly online game then they simply chose the wrong universe.

Yes, very much so. It's always been M in the states, but I really hope they weren't clinging to PEGI 16 for arbitrary reasons.

Wing · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

im fine with the blood, gore, and "suggestive themes" but can we kind of avoid the obvious xxx mods.

-Wing

Kragorn · March 2015

No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm always confused by the way people use the word "mature".

I find those that want 'mature' content are often very immature themselves, the kind who get a thrill running their character around as naked as they can get them.

SG_Celerrimus · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Kragorn wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm always confused by the way people use the word "mature".

I find those that want 'mature' content are often very immature themselves, the kind who get a thrill running their character around as naked as they can get them.

Not all 'Mature' content is running around nake though.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

ZOS could make a fortune selling Crowns to be spent in 'Red Light' districts.

Arato · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

The overall atmosphere is far too light and childish imo.
It's like the basics are there but the soul is missing.
Frankly i think the wrong people are on the job. It just feels like it isn't the same people who made the previous ES games.
And it shows. You hand great material to people who have no idea on how to use it and they just deliver a shallow atmosphere.

It's not just the content but also the topics.
The choices i have are barely dark or light but simply a) good or b) good.
It's basically you solving everyones problems.
All TES games had very dark themes with humorous parts and then again serious topics.
And this game has little of all of them.
Your character has no ability to play truly evil for a long period, maybe 1 or 2 quests and that's it.
The funny parts didn't really amuse me.
And the previously serious topics have been washed down to vague hints but nothing you really care about.

They were trying to court a T rating.

Ourorboros · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Kragorn wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm always confused by the way people use the word "mature".

I find those that want 'mature' content are often very immature themselves, the kind who get a thrill running their character around as naked as they can get them.

LOL, and what exactly is wrong with running around naked. Yes, I know we were brought up to be prudish, but no one was ever born with a stitch of clothing. Seeing a little nudity might broaden some peoples perspective.

Donum-Dei · March 2015

No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.

This game is very M for what I have seen so far, people just want nudity for what I am seeing here. Why is there the need for nudity? There is plenty of strong themes in this game to keep adding that supposed mature content/nudity, because that is what most people apparently want. I do not want to see people naked ruining around, enough with those unnecessary "costumes"

newtinmpls · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

EinionYrth wrote: »

I'd just like it to look a bit earthier and dirtier. Even the beggars appear to be well fed and in excellent health, how about a few with disabilities or disfiguring diseases? Also no one in the game appears to be older than about 25, what's that all about?

You do raise some good points; however given the .... unbridled enthusiasm with which some folks pursue the mass murderer achievement, I don't really want child NPCs unless they are as unkillable as guards. That would be too disturbing to watch. And in fact I'd pay to see some such player stopped dead in their tracks if attacking a child by a major daedric prince (heck even an aedra) doing some sort of instantly fatal intervention.

But this game does have a very dark side to it. Look at how many (how very very many) of the quest lines end in tragedy. How many NPCs are struggling with anger over some loved one's death; how many ghosts are consumed with regret for their choices. This is a very adult game.

Graphic violence is ... petty compared to this.

Oh and I have seen a few folks who look older. Granted, the PC creation sliders for this are .... pretty terrible ... but some folks are using them. What about the banker in ... ? Wayrest? can't remember for certain.

newtinmpls · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

The overall atmosphere is far too light and childish imo.
The choices i have are barely dark or light but simply a) good or b) good.

Seriously?

We are not really playing the same game then. Most of my choices are between 'tragic' and 'worse'. The few times I've hit a happy ending it's really stood out.

Kaynlor · March 2015

No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.

It is fine as is. I don't need nips and tips showing, and while "darkness" and "blood and gore" are fine, too much is still too much. Subtlety is nice. Innuendo is cool.

Personofsecrets · March 2015

No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.

Can at least one thing avoid perversion and vulgarity? Not with polls like this.

ThirtySevenCoins · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

I think gamers want to be given the same respect that followers/readers/viewers of other media art forms are given. I choose to buy an age restricted product, movie, book, television show, the label tells me what to expect, nobody should be under any illusions about what is on offer, don't expect unicorns and rainbows or some virtual Narnia.

The most ridiculous example of overbearing censorship I have seen in games was in the Stolen Memory mission of Mass Effect2. After breaking into a private art collection I noticed the famous "naked" statue of Michelangelo's David had suffered some considerable damage to it's underpants region in transit. As an art lover, I found it offensive that an image of one of the greatest artworks in human history had been mutilated in order to pander to the moral minority, The Eight forbid that these people enter an actual museum, fig leaves for the statues most probably.

Wing · March 2015

Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.

newtinmpls wrote: »

We are not really playing the same game then. Most of my choices are between 'tragic' and 'worse'. The few times I've hit a happy ending it's really stood out.

THIS ^^

when my character retires I am going to live on a farm in the rift with a family that offered the invitation because when I did the quest. . .nobody died, I was able to actually save them all. . .I was stunned.

-Wing<3