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BoP system - What ZOS should do ? Come & Vote !
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Biiiiiii✭✭✭Zos should Just ban the cheatersBfish22090 wrote: »Make it all boe so we can buy ten billion gold from gold farmers then buy the best gear and WIN
Before, Zos didnt wantd to ban Player because It Was = fewer/less subscriber and consequently less money
Now it changed with thé b2p model. They can ban the cheaters, gold's buyers.
At this moment : 50(want to change/delete the BoP system) vs 30 (want to let the BoP system)Edited by Biiiiiii on March 19, 2015 12:35AM1 -
maryriv✭✭✭✭Zos should Just ban the cheatersBfish22090 wrote: »Make it all boe so we can buy ten billion gold from gold farmers then buy the best gear and WIN
Before, Zos didnt wantd to ban Player because It Was = fewer/less subscriber and consequently less money
Now it changed with thé b2p model. They can ban the cheaters, gold's buyers.
At this moment : 50(want to change/delete the BoP system) vs 30 (want to let the BoP system)
Exactly, I think it is clear that something is very wrong with BoP and something needs to be done.0 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭Zos should Just ban the cheatersBfish22090 wrote: »Make it all boe so we can buy ten billion gold from gold farmers then buy the best gear and WIN
Before, Zos didnt wantd to ban Player because It Was = fewer/less subscriber and consequently less money
Now it changed with thé b2p model. They can ban the cheaters, gold's buyers.
At this moment : 50(want to change/delete the BoP system) vs 30 (want to let the BoP system)
Exactly, I think it is clear that something is very wrong with BoP and something needs to be done.
Clear to you. But there's a whole wide range of opinions out there. Personally, I think it has to do with the RNG and basing the drops on the RNG than BoP.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
Taladriel Vanima - VR 5 Altmer Nightblade
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Seth_Black✭✭✭The majority agree that BoP is broken. BoE solves the problem of RNG.
It's like saying 'Selling in-game gold in crown store would save a lot of people grinding time'
Different topic but same approach - 'Let's make everything easy', 'Let's make everything worthless and not even rewarding', 'Let's make our players feel like they don't need to achieve anything ...just buy it'
Do you REALLY want ESO to be like that???Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul0 -
Seth_Black✭✭✭omg ...really? You still don't get it.
Making most of things BoE means:
1. online shops selling in-game items for real cash (Pay2Win) - BIGGEST Problem
2. 'Pro Farmers' collapsing market with tons of gear with inflated prices.
3. Making 'earning it' part completely irrelevant and leaving 'just buy it' option as best one = more people wasting time on farming gold or using online shops to BUY GOLD! (another big problem)
4. Having people in hi tier vet gear without ANY IDEA about boss/instance mechanics that will join your group one day
And now you will say ...yes, but I want to get just that ONE piece I'm missing from full set...
First of all your bound items can be used by any of your characters so your chances to get something you will use are way higher than Bind to Character case. Everything binds to your account, so it's not as bad as you see it.
Focus on BIGGER PICTURE, not just own gains
Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul4 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't get this thread. 1.6 turned most BOP gear into trash. If aether and yokeda gear could be traded it would be 30 more pages of garbage on guild traders.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)1 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I don't get this thread. 1.6 turned most BOP gear into trash. If aether and yokeda gear could be traded it would be 30 more pages of garbage on guild traders.
Valkyn Skoria is still hella OP, though. I would pay anything for some of the "Master" weapons, as well.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
Biiiiiii✭✭✭Seth_Black wrote: »omg ...really? You still don't get it.
Making most of things BoE means:
1. online shops selling in-game items for real cash (Pay2Win) - BIGGEST Problem
2. 'Pro Farmers' collapsing market with tons of gear with inflated prices.
3. Making 'earning it' part completely irrelevant and leaving 'just buy it' option as best one = more people wasting time on farming gold or using online shops to BUY GOLD! (another big problem)
4. Having people in hi tier vet gear without ANY IDEA about boss/instance mechanics that will join your group one day
And now you will say ...yes, but I want to get just that ONE piece I'm missing from full set...
First of all your bound items can be used by any of your characters so your chances to get something you will use are way higher than Bind to Character case. Everything binds to your account, so it's not as bad as you see it.
Focus on BIGGER PICTURE, not just own gains
Is it your first MMO ?....Edited by Biiiiiii on March 19, 2015 7:14PM1 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I don't get this thread. 1.6 turned most BOP gear into trash. If aether and yokeda gear could be traded it would be 30 more pages of garbage on guild traders.
Valkyn Skoria is still hella OP, though. I would pay anything for some of the "Master" weapons, as well.
Touche' but I still find the thread suspect. There are only a handful of good BOP items. Just go play the content and get one.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)1 -
Seth_Black✭✭✭Seth_Black wrote: »omg ...really? You still don't get it.
Making most of things BoE means:
1. online shops selling in-game items for real cash (Pay2Win) - BIGGEST Problem
2. 'Pro Farmers' collapsing market with tons of gear with inflated prices.
3. Making 'earning it' part completely irrelevant and leaving 'just buy it' option as best one = more people wasting time on farming gold or using online shops to BUY GOLD! (another big problem)
4. Having people in hi tier vet gear without ANY IDEA about boss/instance mechanics that will join your group one day
And now you will say ...yes, but I want to get just that ONE piece I'm missing from full set...
First of all your bound items can be used by any of your characters so your chances to get something you will use are way higher than Bind to Character case. Everything binds to your account, so it's not as bad as you see it.
Focus on BIGGER PICTURE, not just own gains
Is it your first MMO ?....
Most stupid question you could ever ask really
I've been playing many big mmo's since launch (for a really long time) and I've seen them rise and fall and your question would be insulting IF you could even understand my comment and reasons behind it
'Reading with understanding' - kinda rare skill today (think about it)
Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul3 -
Biiiiiii✭✭✭Cogitate before writing would have avoided this commentarySeth_Black wrote: »omg ...really? You still don't get it.
Making most of things BoE means:
1. online shops selling in-game items for real cash (Pay2Win) - BIGGEST Problem
2. 'Pro Farmers' collapsing market with tons of gear with inflated prices.
3. Making 'earning it' part completely irrelevant and leaving 'just buy it' option as best one = more people wasting time on farming gold or using online shops to BUY GOLD! (another big problem)
4. Having people in hi tier vet gear without ANY IDEA about boss/instance mechanics that will join your group one day
And now you will say ...yes, but I want to get just that ONE piece I'm missing from full set...
First of all your bound items can be used by any of your characters so your chances to get something you will use are way higher than Bind to Character case. Everything binds to your account, so it's not as bad as you see it.
Focus on BIGGER PICTURE, not just own gains
Unless it is your first Mmo (what I think)
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✭✭✭✭Cogitate before writing would have avoided this commentarySeth_Black wrote: »omg ...really? You still don't get it.
Making most of things BoE means:
1. online shops selling in-game items for real cash (Pay2Win) - BIGGEST Problem
2. 'Pro Farmers' collapsing market with tons of gear with inflated prices.
3. Making 'earning it' part completely irrelevant and leaving 'just buy it' option as best one = more people wasting time on farming gold or using online shops to BUY GOLD! (another big problem)
4. Having people in hi tier vet gear without ANY IDEA about boss/instance mechanics that will join your group one day
And now you will say ...yes, but I want to get just that ONE piece I'm missing from full set...
First of all your bound items can be used by any of your characters so your chances to get something you will use are way higher than Bind to Character case. Everything binds to your account, so it's not as bad as you see it.
Focus on BIGGER PICTURE, not just own gains
Unless it is your first Mmo (what I think)
Wow, thanks for that compelling argument...
Why don't you point out why you think @Seth_Black is wrong (if that is what one is supposed to gather from your comments)? What you are providing here is not very constructive.
As far as I'm concerned, he is spot on with the implications making everything BoE would have.3 -
Seth_Black✭✭✭Cogitate before writing would have avoided this commentarySeth_Black wrote: »omg ...really? You still don't get it.
Making most of things BoE means:
1. online shops selling in-game items for real cash (Pay2Win) - BIGGEST Problem
2. 'Pro Farmers' collapsing market with tons of gear with inflated prices.
3. Making 'earning it' part completely irrelevant and leaving 'just buy it' option as best one = more people wasting time on farming gold or using online shops to BUY GOLD! (another big problem)
4. Having people in hi tier vet gear without ANY IDEA about boss/instance mechanics that will join your group one day
And now you will say ...yes, but I want to get just that ONE piece I'm missing from full set...
First of all your bound items can be used by any of your characters so your chances to get something you will use are way higher than Bind to Character case. Everything binds to your account, so it's not as bad as you see it.
Focus on BIGGER PICTURE, not just own gains
Unless it is your first Mmo (what I think)
Wow, thanks for that compelling argument...
Why don't you point out why you think @Seth_Black is wrong (if that is what one is supposed to gather from your comments)? What you are providing here is not very constructive.
As far as I'm concerned, he is spot on with the implications making everything BoE would have.
He probably don't get, that's follow up comment.
Second of all my comment SHOULD (at least for people with more than below average IQ) indicate some level of experience with mmo structures and models
But I'm not here to argue with someone who can be in fact just a troll Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul0 -
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✭✭On one hand, BOP encourages players to PLAY the game in order to get BIS gear. Ie: monster helms and shoulders. I have run more vet dungeons in the last month than in the entire previous almost year. I want my damn shoulders. But that aside. On the other hand, BOP gets very grindy and sure, people are running content but may not be wanting to. It's just the only means to an end. BOE is tempting, sure people would want the gear as fast as possible. But it does cheapen the entire experience if you're sitting in BIS gear not having to do anything to achieve it but purchase it.
I say keep the BOP but allow people to share within group. This would go for undaunted sets and trials. You complete these things as a group, you should be able to share loot if you so choose with the group that made completion possible. This would increase people's potential to get desired gear slightly, but not flood the market.Edited by Jules on March 19, 2015 11:40PM2 -
maryriv✭✭✭✭How about putting an item equip requirement like "Must have achievement for completing XYZ dungeon".1
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I don't get this thread. 1.6 turned most BOP gear into trash. If aether and yokeda gear could be traded it would be 30 more pages of garbage on guild traders.
Valkyn Skoria is still hella OP, though. I would pay anything for some of the "Master" weapons, as well.
Would you pay with more of your time killing the boss that drops it?Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
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eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How about none of the above? I think it's just fine the way it is.
Uh...I loved SWG personally. Pre JTLS it had the best skill based system I have ever seen in an MMO. With that said, economy sucked and it was hardly something to model on. Though having things decay completely sure helped the crafters, the inflation was terrible on all goods to the point where millions of credits was basically nothing.byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »
SWG....still the best MMO evaaaah!
Edited by eventide03b14a_ESO on March 20, 2015 8:04PM:trollin:1 -
maryriv✭✭✭✭I think they should take away all BoP and make it BoE then adjust drop rates appropriately.
Also if a thing is SO hard to get that it is SO valuable no one will want to sell or give it away till it becomes obsolete anyway, a well run system is self regulating.
Good games don't need the BoP to cover up shortcomings of the economy/game.2 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I don't get this thread. 1.6 turned most BOP gear into trash. If aether and yokeda gear could be traded it would be 30 more pages of garbage on guild traders.
Valkyn Skoria is still hella OP, though. I would pay anything for some of the "Master" weapons, as well.
Would you pay with more of your time killing the boss that drops it?
Sure! All I need is a bunch of hirelings at my command, but when that was suggested by a player on ESO Live, it was dismissed out of hand by the devs.
Either that, or ZoS could do what has been suggested MANY times, which is to SCALE the difficulty of the instanced dungeons to the SIZE of the raiding party... all the way down to a party of one.Edited by Emma_Overload on March 21, 2015 7:24PM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭68 vs 42
the gap is widening
Because some people refuse to vote in a biased poll, and others haven't seen it nor care.
PSA: The polling function here is for fun, not scientific study. I should hope that no one in any sort of position of power would take any of them seriously.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
Taladriel Vanima - VR 5 Altmer Nightblade
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maryriv✭✭✭✭Making everything BoE would solve sooo many problems that are very evident in the game.1
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kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Guess you already know my vote Have several friends and guildies who complain daily about this horrible bandaide system of BoP. They will not come on these forums to avoid the drama but the problem is very real.
Take away BoP make it BoE and adjust the drop rates if necessary.
Easy fix.1 -
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Give items that are usually BoP a low % chance to drop in a BoE state. This would both encourage re-playability as these items would be very valuable to sell and also keep the rarity of the items intact so that the markets aren't flooded with monster helms or trials gear.
I just solved the problem. You're welcome.
Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on March 23, 2015 10:28AM0 -
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✭✭✭OP doesn't understand the economy of the MMO.
Can't vote in poll.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
Give items that are usually BoP a low % chance to drop in a BoE state. This would both encourage re-playability as these items would be very valuable to sell and also keep the rarity of the items intact so that the markets aren't flooded with monster helms or trials gear.
I just solved the problem. You're welcome.
Easier fix. Make all items BoE.3 -
maryriv✭✭✭✭If they make all items BoP instead of BoE it will help the economy then they could just adjust the drop rate.3
