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5 Medium 2 Heavy or 7 pieces of Medium for Melee Stamina Nightblade build?
Vaerth
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I am a melee based 2H Stamina build Nightblade with 2nd weapon being a Bow. For the Shadow Barrier passive increasing duration for each piece of heavy armor, plus the armor iteself being more beneficial, should I go 2 Heavy armor and 5 Medium or all 7 pieces medium armor?
I run all Stamina on armor glyphs and jewelry is increase stamina with enchants being reduce stamina cost. I am also a WW for the 15% increase in Stamina regen. Would it be beneficial to have two pieces of heavy for the extra armor and minor increase in HP plus the benefits of increase Shadow Barrier duration? Or more optimal to keep all 7 pieces as medium?
I run all Stamina on armor glyphs and jewelry is increase stamina with enchants being reduce stamina cost. I am also a WW for the 15% increase in Stamina regen. Would it be beneficial to have two pieces of heavy for the extra armor and minor increase in HP plus the benefits of increase Shadow Barrier duration? Or more optimal to keep all 7 pieces as medium?
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ArRashid✭✭✭✭In my opinion, it's not worth it.
The other way around for those tankier berserkers, sure, 5 pieces of heavy for tanking and 2 pieces of stamina to reduce costs a bit and get some minor crit bonus, but the other way around is simply not efficient. Heavy armor has literally nothing to offer for damage dealers, now that even the pathetic 0.5%/piece bonus to weapon damage (or what was it) was replaced..0 -
ThatNeonZebraAgain✭✭✭✭✭In my opinion, it's not worth it.
The other way around for those tankier berserkers, sure, 5 pieces of heavy for tanking and 2 pieces of stamina to reduce costs a bit and get some minor crit bonus, but the other way around is simply not efficient. Heavy armor has literally nothing to offer for damage dealers, now that even the pathetic 0.5%/piece bonus to weapon damage (or what was it) was replaced..
I disagree. With the right set bonuses, enchants, and constellations, you can easily make up for the loss of the extra 2 pieces of medium armor. For example, I run 5 medium and 2 heavy armor pieces (chest and legs) using 3pc Dreugh King and 5pc Hundings (with Shadow Walker rings). Dreugh King's bonus to damage is excellent, plus it provides extra armor. I then put as many points as possible into a stamina cost reduction constellation. To me, that trade-off is worth it.Gore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
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Vaerth✭✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »
I do not have the passive, not easy to acquire loads of undaunted XP with a full time job of 45+ hours lolEdited by Vaerth on March 19, 2015 6:36PMPact Bloodwraith1 -
ArRashid✭✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »In my opinion, it's not worth it.
The other way around for those tankier berserkers, sure, 5 pieces of heavy for tanking and 2 pieces of stamina to reduce costs a bit and get some minor crit bonus, but the other way around is simply not efficient. Heavy armor has literally nothing to offer for damage dealers, now that even the pathetic 0.5%/piece bonus to weapon damage (or what was it) was replaced..
I disagree. With the right set bonuses, enchants, and constellations, you can easily make up for the loss of the extra 2 pieces of medium armor. For example, I run 5 medium and 2 heavy armor pieces (chest and legs) using 3pc Dreugh King and 5pc Hundings (with Shadow Walker rings). Dreugh King's bonus to damage is excellent, plus it provides extra armor. I then put as many points as possible into a stamina cost reduction constellation. To me, that trade-off is worth it.
Well, you gain just:
2% healing received
2% health
8% health regeneration
~ 1100 armor and resistance
Unless you plan on PvPing, none of these stats actually matter for you as a damage dealer, because they are negligible
You cannot "make up for it" because, stricly from +- side of view, everything that's not optimal is a loss. Which may not be so clear with skills, however, it's clear enough with these numerical stats.0 -
Jamersonb16_ESO✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »In my opinion, it's not worth it.
The other way around for those tankier berserkers, sure, 5 pieces of heavy for tanking and 2 pieces of stamina to reduce costs a bit and get some minor crit bonus, but the other way around is simply not efficient. Heavy armor has literally nothing to offer for damage dealers, now that even the pathetic 0.5%/piece bonus to weapon damage (or what was it) was replaced..
I disagree. With the right set bonuses, enchants, and constellations, you can easily make up for the loss of the extra 2 pieces of medium armor. For example, I run 5 medium and 2 heavy armor pieces (chest and legs) using 3pc Dreugh King and 5pc Hundings (with Shadow Walker rings). Dreugh King's bonus to damage is excellent, plus it provides extra armor. I then put as many points as possible into a stamina cost reduction constellation. To me, that trade-off is worth it.
Well, you gain just:
2% healing received
2% health
8% health regeneration
~ 1100 armor and resistance
Unless you plan on PvPing, none of these stats actually matter for you as a damage dealer, because they are negligible
You cannot "make up for it" because, stricly from +- side of view, everything that's not optimal is a loss. Which may not be so clear with skills, however, it's clear enough with these numerical stats.
Err, Dreugh 3 piece gives 2 x wep damage. That's the way I'd go, 2 from heavy Dreugh head/chest/legs and pendant.0 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »In my opinion, it's not worth it.
The other way around for those tankier berserkers, sure, 5 pieces of heavy for tanking and 2 pieces of stamina to reduce costs a bit and get some minor crit bonus, but the other way around is simply not efficient. Heavy armor has literally nothing to offer for damage dealers, now that even the pathetic 0.5%/piece bonus to weapon damage (or what was it) was replaced..
I disagree. With the right set bonuses, enchants, and constellations, you can easily make up for the loss of the extra 2 pieces of medium armor. For example, I run 5 medium and 2 heavy armor pieces (chest and legs) using 3pc Dreugh King and 5pc Hundings (with Shadow Walker rings). Dreugh King's bonus to damage is excellent, plus it provides extra armor. I then put as many points as possible into a stamina cost reduction constellation. To me, that trade-off is worth it.
Well, you gain just:
2% healing received
2% health
8% health regeneration
~ 1100 armor and resistance
Unless you plan on PvPing, none of these stats actually matter for you as a damage dealer, because they are negligible
You cannot "make up for it" because, stricly from +- side of view, everything that's not optimal is a loss. Which may not be so clear with skills, however, it's clear enough with these numerical stats.
This would be for a PvP buildPact Bloodwraith0 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭THis would indeed be my PvP and PvE build, from what I can see, swapping 2 pieces of medium for 2 heavy will reduce my crit and stamina reduction / regen a bit in exchange for a little more HP, healing, and a longer Shadow Barrier duration from the passive under the Shadow skill tree. I use the Warrior boon and all stamina based glyphs as I mentioned before, and I use WW for 15% regen but do not slot the ultimate.Pact Bloodwraith0
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ThatNeonZebraAgain✭✭✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »In my opinion, it's not worth it.
The other way around for those tankier berserkers, sure, 5 pieces of heavy for tanking and 2 pieces of stamina to reduce costs a bit and get some minor crit bonus, but the other way around is simply not efficient. Heavy armor has literally nothing to offer for damage dealers, now that even the pathetic 0.5%/piece bonus to weapon damage (or what was it) was replaced..
I disagree. With the right set bonuses, enchants, and constellations, you can easily make up for the loss of the extra 2 pieces of medium armor. For example, I run 5 medium and 2 heavy armor pieces (chest and legs) using 3pc Dreugh King and 5pc Hundings (with Shadow Walker rings). Dreugh King's bonus to damage is excellent, plus it provides extra armor. I then put as many points as possible into a stamina cost reduction constellation. To me, that trade-off is worth it.
Well, you gain just:
2% healing received
2% health
8% health regeneration
~ 1100 armor and resistance
Unless you plan on PvPing, none of these stats actually matter for you as a damage dealer, because they are negligible
You cannot "make up for it" because, stricly from +- side of view, everything that's not optimal is a loss. Which may not be so clear with skills, however, it's clear enough with these numerical stats.
That is indeed my PvP build, sorry should have mentioned that! Yea, as a PvE DPS in a group with a healer, you should go full medium. With my build though, I still get over 3k weapon damage, so I have run it as a DPS build in guild Trial runs before.Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »Err, Dreugh 3 piece gives 2 x wep damage. That's the way I'd go, 2 from heavy Dreugh head/chest/legs and pendant.
Yep, I use chest, legs, and pendant.
Edited by ThatNeonZebraAgain on March 19, 2015 6:54PMGore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
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Endurance✭✭✭7 medium and 2 daggers 1 bow, wear 3 pieces of 3 diff sets, u can get up to 3rd bonus on everything if u wear dual weapons, thats absolute best dps and crit rateI'm outta here0 -
Solanum✭✭✭Regardless how you look at it, it'll be a small difference.
Still, two pieces of heavy, with the undaunted passive will give you 4% extra health, 2% more stamina and 2% more magicka.
If they are reinforced you could easily reduce damage by a few percent, increasing your effective healthpool even further.
Considering the description of your current build, I don't think you'll even notice the increased stamina cost/lessened regeneration that much.
So basically, if you want some extra survivability, I'd say go for it. It's not a big difference but you might like it.
EDIT: I'm a big fan of added survivability. If you spend the majority of the time rolling about, or lying face down for a dirtnap, you're doing less damage then someone able to take a hit while dishing out damage.Edited by Solanum on March 19, 2015 7:10PM0 -
Mykah✭✭✭5/5 Ravager - Chest Legs Necklace Ring Ring - Stamina reduction on rings, Fire resist on necklace.
5/5 Hundings - Helm Shoulders Gloves Belt Boots
Use any weapon you want, PvP greatsword, PvP bow, PvP Resto Staff, Masters Greatsword, Masters bow, doesn't matter you don't use the set piece bonus on this slot.
This way you get Heavy Chest Legs for the biggest armor bonus, 5 piece medium, the ravager 5 piece bonus, the hundings 5 piece bonus, and total freedom in swapping out weapons.
That's what I run at least.Edited by Mykah on March 19, 2015 7:16PM2 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭7 medium and 2 daggers 1 bow, wear 3 pieces of 3 diff sets, u can get up to 3rd bonus on everything if u wear dual weapons, thats absolute best dps and crit rate
I highly dislike dual wield animation after 1.6 so thats no option for me, I tried it and the arms go so far out while moving with weapons drawn that I feel like a clicking chicken lol, so 2H is the weapon I ill not be parting with lol.Pact Bloodwraith0 -
ThatNeonZebraAgain✭✭✭✭✭Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »Err, Dreugh 3 piece gives 2 x wep damage. That's the way I'd go, 2 from heavy Dreugh head/chest/legs and pendant.5/5 Ravager - Chest Legs Necklace Ring Ring - Stamina reduction on rings, Fire resist on necklace.
5/5 Hundings - Helm Shoulders Gloves Belt Boots
Use any weapon you want, PvP greatsword, PvP bow, PvP Resto Staff, Masters Greatsword, Masters bow, doesn't matter you don't use the set piece bonus on this slot.
This way you get Heavy Chest Legs for the biggest armor bonus, 5 piece medium, the ravager 5 piece bonus, the hundings 5 piece bonus, and total freedom in swapping out weapons.
That's what I run at least.
How often does Ravager proc though? Seems like too much of a gamble compared to the always on 340 weapon damage from 3pc dreugh king. Ravager would have to proc 5-6 times within 10 seconds to get that, which seems highly unlikely.
Edited by ThatNeonZebraAgain on March 19, 2015 7:48PMGore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
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Vaerth✭✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »Err, Dreugh 3 piece gives 2 x wep damage. That's the way I'd go, 2 from heavy Dreugh head/chest/legs and pendant.5/5 Ravager - Chest Legs Necklace Ring Ring - Stamina reduction on rings, Fire resist on necklace.
5/5 Hundings - Helm Shoulders Gloves Belt Boots
Use any weapon you want, PvP greatsword, PvP bow, PvP Resto Staff, Masters Greatsword, Masters bow, doesn't matter you don't use the set piece bonus on this slot.
This way you get Heavy Chest Legs for the biggest armor bonus, 5 piece medium, the ravager 5 piece bonus, the hundings 5 piece bonus, and total freedom in swapping out weapons.
That's what I run at least.
How often does Ravager proc though? Seems like too much of a gamble compared to the always on 340 weapon damage from 3pc dreugh king. Ravager would have to proc 5-6 times within 10 seconds to get that, which seems highly unlikely.
I am VR3 BTW, no Dreugh King for mePact Bloodwraith0 -
Mykah✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »Err, Dreugh 3 piece gives 2 x wep damage. That's the way I'd go, 2 from heavy Dreugh head/chest/legs and pendant.5/5 Ravager - Chest Legs Necklace Ring Ring - Stamina reduction on rings, Fire resist on necklace.
5/5 Hundings - Helm Shoulders Gloves Belt Boots
Use any weapon you want, PvP greatsword, PvP bow, PvP Resto Staff, Masters Greatsword, Masters bow, doesn't matter you don't use the set piece bonus on this slot.
This way you get Heavy Chest Legs for the biggest armor bonus, 5 piece medium, the ravager 5 piece bonus, the hundings 5 piece bonus, and total freedom in swapping out weapons.
That's what I run at least.
How often does Ravager proc though? Seems like too much of a gamble compared to the always on 340 weapon damage from 3pc dreugh king. Ravager would have to proc 5-6 times within 10 seconds to get that, which seems highly unlikely.
You are looking at ravager's proc BEFORE the 1.6 stats increased. It adds 607 weapon damage now, plus 173 constant weapon damage.
Also you should be running Siphoning Attacks + caltrops (on your off bar), meaning ravager proc is always up.
Its kind of baffling to me more people don't run this set up, but hey, I've been a stamina 2h nb from the get go, so meta is still catching up I suppose.Edited by Mykah on March 19, 2015 8:07PM1 -
ThatNeonZebraAgain✭✭✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »Err, Dreugh 3 piece gives 2 x wep damage. That's the way I'd go, 2 from heavy Dreugh head/chest/legs and pendant.5/5 Ravager - Chest Legs Necklace Ring Ring - Stamina reduction on rings, Fire resist on necklace.
5/5 Hundings - Helm Shoulders Gloves Belt Boots
Use any weapon you want, PvP greatsword, PvP bow, PvP Resto Staff, Masters Greatsword, Masters bow, doesn't matter you don't use the set piece bonus on this slot.
This way you get Heavy Chest Legs for the biggest armor bonus, 5 piece medium, the ravager 5 piece bonus, the hundings 5 piece bonus, and total freedom in swapping out weapons.
That's what I run at least.
How often does Ravager proc though? Seems like too much of a gamble compared to the always on 340 weapon damage from 3pc dreugh king. Ravager would have to proc 5-6 times within 10 seconds to get that, which seems highly unlikely.
I am VR3 BTW, no Dreugh King for me
There is a VR5 version that can be had cheaply.ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »Err, Dreugh 3 piece gives 2 x wep damage. That's the way I'd go, 2 from heavy Dreugh head/chest/legs and pendant.5/5 Ravager - Chest Legs Necklace Ring Ring - Stamina reduction on rings, Fire resist on necklace.
5/5 Hundings - Helm Shoulders Gloves Belt Boots
Use any weapon you want, PvP greatsword, PvP bow, PvP Resto Staff, Masters Greatsword, Masters bow, doesn't matter you don't use the set piece bonus on this slot.
This way you get Heavy Chest Legs for the biggest armor bonus, 5 piece medium, the ravager 5 piece bonus, the hundings 5 piece bonus, and total freedom in swapping out weapons.
That's what I run at least.
How often does Ravager proc though? Seems like too much of a gamble compared to the always on 340 weapon damage from 3pc dreugh king. Ravager would have to proc 5-6 times within 10 seconds to get that, which seems highly unlikely.
You are looking at ravager's proc BEFORE the 1.6 stats increased. It adds 607 weapon damage now, plus 173 constant weapon damage.
Also you should be running Siphoning Attacks + caltrops (on your off bar), meaning ravager proc is always up.
Its kind of baffling to me more people don't run this set up, but hey, I've been a stamina 2h nb from the get go, so meta is still catching up I suppose.
Ahh that would be why haha. Just looked up the set on a wiki page.Gore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
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Endurance✭✭✭Medium Set
Helmet of Viper - VR2
Shoulder of Viper - VR2
Boots of Viper - VR2
Necklace of Viper - VR2
[480 Weapon Critical, 675 Max Stamina, 480 Weapon Critical]
Jack of Ashen Grip - VR4
2x Dagger of Ashen Grip - VR4
[792 Max Health, 136 Weapon Dmg]
Bracers of Death Wind - VR4
Belt of Death Wind - VR4
Guards of Death Wind - VR4
Bow of Death Wind - VR4
[1462 Physical Resistance, 804 Maximum Health, 804 Maximum Health ( < swappable)]
20k HP
17K Stamina
47% ~ 60% Weapon Critical
13k Physical ResistanceI'm outta here0 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭Medium Set
Helmet of Viper - VR2
Shoulder of Viper - VR2
Boots of Viper - VR2
Necklace of Viper - VR2
[480 Weapon Critical, 675 Max Stamina, 480 Weapon Critical]
Jack of Ashen Grip - VR4
2x Dagger of Ashen Grip - VR4
[792 Max Health, 136 Weapon Dmg]
Bracers of Death Wind - VR4
Belt of Death Wind - VR4
Guards of Death Wind - VR4
Bow of Death Wind - VR4
[1462 Physical Resistance, 804 Maximum Health, 804 Maximum Health ( < swappable)]
20k HP
17K Stamina
47% ~ 60% Weapon Critical
13k Physical Resistance
The question was 5 medium 2 heavy vs full medium...Pact Bloodwraith0 -
Keron✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm playing around with 7MA in PvE and 5MA/2HA in PvP. So far I would agree to the poster above who said that the 5/2-Setup is unnecessary for PvE. In PvP I'm still undecided but seriously consider staying with the 5/2 because of the added survivability. This way I survive for 5 seconds instead of 3, meaning I can fire of one more skill.
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Vaerth✭✭✭✭I'm playing around with 7MA in PvE and 5MA/2HA in PvP. So far I would agree to the poster above who said that the 5/2-Setup is unnecessary for PvE. In PvP I'm still undecided but seriously consider staying with the 5/2 because of the added survivability. This way I survive for 5 seconds instead of 3, meaning I can fire of one more skill.
If it does indeed grant more benefits in PvP that would be pretty cool. I would just keep 5/2 for PvE as well, not going to carry two armor pieces to switch it out lmao. Would it be worth it to use heavy Shoulder and belt/helmet? Or should I wait to get further in Undaunted for the passive 5 / 1/ 1 increase for wear at least one of each type?Pact Bloodwraith0 -
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Can't help you there - never managed to get Undaunted skill line high enough for the passives. My very scarce playing time is used almost exclusively for PvP or leveling alts with my wife. But the Undaunted passive is apparently very, very strong. Many go helmet/shoulders and use the undaunted sets for the 1/1-part of the 5/1/1 setup. Me personally, I go chest/leg heavy, because that has the largest absolute benefit of all pieces.
If it does indeed grant more benefits in PvP that would be pretty cool. I would just keep 5/2 for PvE as well, not going to carry two armor pieces to switch it out lmao. Would it be worth it to use heavy Shoulder and belt/helmet? Or should I wait to get further in Undaunted for the passive 5 / 1/ 1 increase for wear at least one of each type?I'm playing around with 7MA in PvE and 5MA/2HA in PvP. So far I would agree to the poster above who said that the 5/2-Setup is unnecessary for PvE. In PvP I'm still undecided but seriously consider staying with the 5/2 because of the added survivability. This way I survive for 5 seconds instead of 3, meaning I can fire of one more skill.
As for the change out in PvP: Except for the shadow walker rings, I change out every single piece of equipment in PvP, even if I use the same weapon/armor-type in the respective slot...0 -
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Can't help you there - never managed to get Undaunted skill line high enough for the passives. My very scarce playing time is used almost exclusively for PvP or leveling alts with my wife. But the Undaunted passive is apparently very, very strong. Many go helmet/shoulders and use the undaunted sets for the 1/1-part of the 5/1/1 setup. Me personally, I go chest/leg heavy, because that has the largest absolute benefit of all pieces.
If it does indeed grant more benefits in PvP that would be pretty cool. I would just keep 5/2 for PvE as well, not going to carry two armor pieces to switch it out lmao. Would it be worth it to use heavy Shoulder and belt/helmet? Or should I wait to get further in Undaunted for the passive 5 / 1/ 1 increase for wear at least one of each type?I'm playing around with 7MA in PvE and 5MA/2HA in PvP. So far I would agree to the poster above who said that the 5/2-Setup is unnecessary for PvE. In PvP I'm still undecided but seriously consider staying with the 5/2 because of the added survivability. This way I survive for 5 seconds instead of 3, meaning I can fire of one more skill.
As for the change out in PvP: Except for the shadow walker rings, I change out every single piece of equipment in PvP, even if I use the same weapon/armor-type in the respective slot...
I feel ya, getting XP for Undaunted is very slow lolPact Bloodwraith0 -
well 5M+2H is winner for my NB, 3 x dreeug king slayer, 5x hunding rage, 2x morang tong and 2x two fanged serpent ring and with warior stone i ame oaround 3,2k Wpn dmg and sitting on 50% wpn crit. And have extra survivability, which is no need fro dungeons but is rly helpful on trial. And deadt dps = 0dpsAdraria Argentum Draco - imperial Stamplar
Bevdyen Tus Ntxhuav - Orc Stamplar
Celestun Ira Dei- Imperial Tankplar
Halldis Rautt Höfuð- Nord Tankplar
Misawa Yoshike - Breton Healplar
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Vaerth✭✭✭✭Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »well 5M+2H is winner for my NB, 3 x dreeug king slayer, 5x hunding rage, 2x morang tong and 2x two fanged serpent ring and with warior stone i ame oaround 3,2k Wpn dmg and sitting on 50% wpn crit. And have extra survivability, which is no need fro dungeons but is rly helpful on trial. And deadt dps = 0dps
No idea what any of these sets are, as I am VR3 like I mentioned. I make crafted sets. I have NEVER seen a ring for sale that was purple. No idea where to find them.Pact Bloodwraith0
