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Explain why Crown Store Potions are stronger than the ones I make.

  • Edhelas_Naven
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    Wrong Post.
    Edited by Edhelas_Naven on March 17, 2015 1:07AM
  • Iago
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    The potions in store do much more than they should. No one (as far s I know) could craft a similar potion (no I'm not talking about tripots) and have it be just as good. Just one more step on the yellow brick road that leads to P2W land
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  • starkerealm
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    Suru wrote: »
    I disagree. There is no way the straight healing potions which are player crafted should be less powerful than what is in the Crown store. That's completely contrary to what has always been said about the consumables and potions in particular.

    Who the hell crafts straight HP potions anyways lol.

    Uh... I do, actually. They use different materials from the tripots, so I'm not really out anything when making them. I also make tripots, then use them when I'm screwing around, because burning tripots just wouldn't make sense.
  • jelliedsoup
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    damn you guys, first its bunching in pvp and now this.
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  • Samadhi
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    crafted potions give a longer buff than the store bought ones

    crafted= 5778 with 40.3 second buff (with alchemy passive)
    crown bought = 6820 with 18 second buff (with alchemy passive)

    This is a very powerful observation, thank you for catching that.
    They last less than half as long but still have the full 45 second cooldown.

    Would not touch them personally.
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  • Elijah_Crow
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    I'm hoping that the value on the potion is a mistake and it is scaling beyond VR5 as far as the amount it appears to heal. If this is not the case, it calls into question the integrity of the team as it's been stated repeatedly that player crafted always be more powerful.
  • Xantaria
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    Zenimax you have openly lied at your customers. I for myself am going to cancel my subscription tomorrow if we don't get an answer and solution on this. This is not acceptable at all.
    Edited by Xantaria on March 17, 2015 4:26AM
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  • Xantaria
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    Samadhi wrote: »
    crafted potions give a longer buff than the store bought ones

    crafted= 5778 with 40.3 second buff (with alchemy passive)
    crown bought = 6820 with 18 second buff (with alchemy passive)

    This is a very powerful observation, thank you for catching that.
    They last less than half as long but still have the full 45 second cooldown.

    Would not touch them personally.

    Don't forget you can get the buff from other skills. As a Tank I have dragon blood up permanently. So I wouldn't profit from the buff but just from the instant value. Which is higher than the one I can craft which makes this pay2win.
    Edited by Xantaria on March 17, 2015 2:43AM
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  • WraithAzraiel
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    Muahahahahaha, lookit all the doomsayers come flocking in. Hysterical.
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  • Xantaria
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    Muahahahahaha, lookit all the doomsayers come flocking in. Hysterical.

    So you want to pay for your potions? As a perfectionist I can't play knowing that there is something I could do better. But being forced to pay money for that each time I want to use a potion? Inacceptable.
    Edited by Xantaria on March 17, 2015 2:49AM
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  • Wing
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    Xantaria wrote: »
    So you want to pay for your potions? As a perfectionist I can't play knowing that there is something I could do better. But being forced to pay money for that each time I want to use a potion? Inacceptable.

    so the fact that a store bought potion heals maybe a hundred more health then a crafted one is enough to force you to whip out your credit card and start spending? or, as I guess we can see, at least come to the forums and start complaining?

    who would have thought something that requires you to pay for it would be in at least in one way better then a singular version of something you can craft for free in game, I for one am shocked.

    they said they would not be better then crafted potions, they did not say *how* or in what ways. and for those of us that use only tri pots, you know, just about everyone. they are in no way better or even comparable.

    I NEVER craft single stat potions, considering the game dumps hundreds of single stat potions on you for free, and they are more then enough to get you through anything you would only use a single stat potion for anyway, for all other hard content or pvp, tri pots all the way.

    now the moment they start selling invis/movespeed potions that also grant cc immunity and last for over 10 seconds you will have my support one hundred percent.


    HOWEVER as of right now this simply reeks of trying to find "p2w" or something to complain about, and that is just silly when there are legitimate things to complain about.

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    Edited by Wing on March 17, 2015 3:01AM
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  • ZOS_GinaBruno
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    We never intended to sell potions in the Crown Store that are stronger than ones you can craft. We have just pulled all Crown Store potions, and will reinstate them with the proper strength very soon. Sorry for any confusion this caused!
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  • Xantaria
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    This right here is most important thing for me. A game not being p2w. I quit a game as soon as see signs of p2w because one step leads to another. you have p2w once in a game: it will stay in the game AND it will get bigger. I will only stay in a game if the game developers are strictly against p2w and RMT and are also showing that by their actions. I am a very competetive palyer and the slightest p2w component in the game destroys the competetiveness for me.
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  • golfer.dub17_ESO
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    Why? Because that's the only incentive to buy them.

    Who would spend real life money on potions when you can get an entire stack of them for a couple hundred gold at any given guild store?

    All around it's a flawed concept to sell potions in the crown store.
  • Iluvrien
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    We never intended to sell potions in the Crown Store that are stronger than ones you can craft. We have just pulled all Crown Store potions, and will reinstate them with the proper strength very soon. Sorry for any confusion this caused!

    This gets today's one and only Awesome. Good catch people, and nice fix Gina!

    Let's hope that the versions we get back are at the right strengths.
  • Xantaria
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    Thank you Gina for the fast answer. I'm very glad to hear it was not intended.
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  • UrQuan
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    Why? Because that's the only incentive to buy them.

    Who would spend real life money on potions when you can get an entire stack of them for a couple hundred gold at any given guild store?

    All around it's a flawed concept to sell potions in the crown store.
    The crown store potions do kind of make sense for people who are leveling characters in PvE, because they scale with your level (up to VR5), and frankly in my experience you use few enough in PvE that if you buy a stack of level 10 potions, you'll be level 20 before you've used a quarter of them...

    Of course, if you've got an alchemist crafter then you can just make a handful of appropriately-leveled potions as needed throughout your leveling, so in that case the crown store potions are irrelevant.
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  • EQBallzz
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    Is anyone really surprised with this? I remember in a recent ESO Live they said crown pots would be on par with pots purchased from an NPC (you know..the worst pots in the game). Well that is clearly not the case. Now we find out they are actually better than single stat crafted pots. If anyone thinks this stops here they are deluded. I had a tiny bit of hope that this cash shop wouldn't go down this path but it seems clear they are determined to ruin this game with this crap.

    *edit*
    We never intended to sell potions in the Crown Store that are stronger than ones you can craft. We have just pulled all Crown Store potions, and will reinstate them with the proper strength very soon. Sorry for any confusion this caused!

    I read this after my post. My glimmer of hope is back. Glad to hear that Gina.
    Edited by EQBallzz on March 17, 2015 3:56AM
  • timidobserver
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    The pots in the store are all trash, but there has to be that one guy that thinks they are OP.
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  • starkerealm
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    We never intended to sell potions in the Crown Store that are stronger than ones you can craft. We have just pulled all Crown Store potions, and will reinstate them with the proper strength very soon. Sorry for any confusion this caused!

    This actually restored some of the faith I have in you guys... doesn't make up for the Adventurer Pack... but it is something.
  • Elijah_Crow
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    Thank you Gina. It was my hope from the first that this was unintended.
  • seanvwolf
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    Samadhi wrote: »
    Do people actually waste materials crafting anything less than multi-stat potions?

    I also craft invis+cc immunity+health restore potions. So, not sure if that's "less" but it's certainly not multi-stat.
    Edited by seanvwolf on March 17, 2015 4:27AM
  • Barta057
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    It's like they want to make money off you or something, and the Crown Store doesn't exist out of the goodness of their heart or for Samaritan reasons! SHOCKING!
  • melodeath
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    i dont agree with alot of things..but guys...seriously?? whining about a useless potion that heals a useless amount of health that can be healed with 1 tiny ability.

    i'd rather have them sell those potions to money throwing people so they might eventually have enough income to give us more content/fixes
    Edited by melodeath on March 17, 2015 4:51AM
  • Iago
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    melodeath wrote: »
    i dont agree with alot of things..but guys...seriously?? whining about a useless potion that heals a useless amount of health that can be healed with 1 tiny ability.

    i'd rather have them sell those potions to money throwing people so they might eventually have enough income to give us more content/fixes

    its not even as much about the potions as it is the company's inability to keep its word.
    That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.

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  • Micallef
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    What you have to grasp is that by the standards of anyone with morals they lied - but in legalese they phrased it so that those lies were not in any way legally binding.

    These guys know that any game with their names attached is no longer credible but they have bought into the ZOS reality so much that they blame the players for that sad fact... I feel sorry for them and wish them well, far away from any game I will be playing.

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  • Aerieth
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    Robocles wrote: »
    The 3 stat potions are stupidly expensive... and you don't need all 3 for encounters... they are just convenient.

    So, no, it isn't.

    This isn't exactly true. I play a Nightblade tank and I actually need tri-pots. My ranged taunt and self heals are magicka based and my melee taunt / debuffer along with dodge roll and blocking cost stamina. There's been plenty of times where I needed all three pools filled in order to survive the fight (in Veteran Arena for example).

    TL;DR - Not all builds need tri-pots but some really do.
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  • Xjcon
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    These were not game breaking in the least, personally I would have never purchased them, now if you make a version that includes all 3 resources and is slightly less then the current Tri pots, with a price of 200 a stack.
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  • Troneon
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    Skafsgaard wrote: »
    Doesnt matter if its tripot or not - its the fact that the crown store now offers a superior item - it's p2w along with the 10% xp points.. this is going fast!

    besides, comparing tripots with standard resource pots is like comparing apples and pears - its not the same item!

    Oh wow they pulled the old bait and switch....

    Pay 2 Win here we come.

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    Edited by Troneon on March 17, 2015 7:39AM
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  • Hawk269
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    We never intended to sell potions in the Crown Store that are stronger than ones you can craft. We have just pulled all Crown Store potions, and will reinstate them with the proper strength very soon. Sorry for any confusion this caused!

    Thank You Gina.

    I know it must be grating to read all the hate some post at times, but just know that there are many members here that appreciate what you guys do. While we may not always agree, taking action and removing the potions because it was not what you intended is what us paying members like to see.

    Like many, when I read about the potions on the forum I was a bit confused as what we were told that Store items would be more powerful than our crafted items and by removing them until they get fixed is great and thankful. Some may jump off the deep end and threaten cancellation, but they are also very passionate players that want to see the game succeed.

    Again, thank you!

    Now, when are we getting the Console Beta???
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