Explain why Crown Store Potions are stronger than the ones I make.

Elijah_Crow

The health potions in the Crown Store are showing that they heal for 7138 health and my own player crafted potions (at VR5) show 6675.

This is completely contrary to anything ever stated and player crafted are supposed to always be better. Hopefully this is only a bug, but it's a pretty big slap in the face to crafters. I am currently VR8 but from the potion information in the Crown Store it should only scale to VR5.

Please investigate.

Ashigaru

Do they offer the 3 stat potions?,,,,,,

Suru

Ashigaru wrote: »

Do they offer the 3 stat potions?,,,,,,

Nope, they are straight magika , HP or stamina potions, nothing special, nothing worth complaining about.

Elijah_Crow

I disagree. There is no way the straight healing potions which are player crafted should be less powerful than what is in the Crown store. That's completely contrary to what has always been said about the consumables and potions in particular.

Darlgon

Because they are based on player level and the player made ones are locked in at VR5?

Crimeny.. how can ZoS possibly tell you their "levels to the players level" stuff from Crown Store is NOT better with a 9 level difference? I never even thought to look. They need to come out with VR14 food asap.

s7732425ub17_ESO

VR5 crafted potions will be weaker than VR5 crown potions.

VR14 crown potions may be stronger than VR5 crafted potions (because crown potions scale to your level).

We just need to be able to craft VR10 potions and then it won't be much of an issue.

Elijah_Crow

The Crown Store potions say they only scale to VR5. Thus they should both be the same level potion when I'm VR8.

Samadhi

Do people actually waste materials crafting anything less than multi-stat potions?

Ashigaru

Robocles wrote: »

Ashigaru wrote: »

Do they offer the 3 stat potions?,,,,,,

That is not a fair comparison.

And... to answer the OP... say it with me: Pay. To. Win. That's just step one. Understand that this is now a console game... they are used to this kind of crap, and are fine with it.

Its a fair comparison, the guy said they are selling potions that are better then he can make, the 3 stat potions are far better then anything sold in the store.

The_Drexill

By gosh, what a surprise!

Elijah_Crow

Samadhi wrote: »

Do people actually waste materials crafting anything less than multi-stat potions?

I sell potions all the time where the buyer asks for just straight heals, so yes.

Robocles

The 3 stat potions are stupidly expensive... and you don't need all 3 for encounters... they are just convenient.

So, no, it isn't.

UrQuan

Samadhi wrote: »

Do people actually waste materials crafting anything less than multi-stat potions?

Only to complete writs (which isn't really a waste of materials, as you get more materials out of a crafting writ than you put into one).

Xjcon

These are not Tri pots, they don't add to all resources, not a big deal, the price for 20 of these however is a big deal.

Roechacca

It's not a Tripot that's why .

Wing

Ashigaru wrote: »

Its a fair comparison, the guy said they are selling potions that are better then he can make, the 3 stat potions are far better then anything sold in the store.

agreed, tri pots are still the best in the game.

wing

Samadhi

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Do people actually waste materials crafting anything less than multi-stat potions?

I sell potions all the time where the buyer asks for just straight heals, so yes.

So now ZOS will be making money off the suckers you used to be?
Can see the cause for concern.

Robocles wrote: »

The 3 stat potions are stupidly expensive... and you don't need all 3 for encounters... they are just convenient.

So, no, it isn't.

Seems as though the Crown potions are convenient, and player-created potions are still better.

Alchemy is my favourite craft, and do not personally see any issue with this. Respect that it might upset other players though.

Skafsgaard

Doesnt matter if its tripot or not - its the fact that the crown store now offers a superior item - it's p2w along with the 10% xp points.. this is going fast!

besides, comparing tripots with standard resource pots is like comparing apples and pears - its not the same item!

MissBizz

I do see the issue.

We were told crafted potions would be better. I don't care about tri pots..

Bah.

Tavore1138

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

The health potions in the Crown Store are showing that they heal for 7138 health and my own player crafted potions (at VR5) show 6675.

This is completely contrary to anything ever stated and player crafted are supposed to always be better. Hopefully this is only a bug, but it's a pretty big slap in the face to crafters. I am currently VR8 but from the potion information in the Crown Store it should only scale to VR5.

Please investigate.

What you have to grasp is that by the standards of anyone with morals they lied - but in legalese they phrased it so that those lies were not in any way legally binding.

These guys know that any game with their names attached is no longer credible but they have bought into the ZOS reality so much that they blame the players for that sad fact... I feel sorry for them and wish them well, far away from any game I will be playing.

Elijah_Crow

I prefer to think that maybe there is an error somewhere and it's not intentional. Perhaps we can get some confirmation that they strength of the potions are intended.

Gina? Anyone from ZOS?

starkerealm

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

The Crown Store potions say they only scale to VR5. Thus they should both be the same level potion when I'm VR8.

Yeah, but they don't. I'm seeing them as 7058, and the OP is seeing them as 7138, so there's certainly some scaling going on above Vet 5.

raishyr

My crafted pots restore about 1k more than the ones in crown store. Am I missing something?

tonemd

Looks like the health pot is the only "superior" item. If people want to spend 10 bucks on a stack of these instead of crafting or using gold i say let subsidize your game for a while. Anyone who doesn't know that bi or tri pots is superior isn't really playing the game.

Skafsgaard

tonemd wrote: »

Looks like the health pot is the only "superior" item. If people want to spend 10 bucks on a stack of these instead of crafting or using gold i say let subsidize your game for a while. Anyone who doesn't know that bi or tri pots is superior isn't really playing the game.

As already explained, its the principle.. and of course you're gonna tripots... untill they become available with 1k more stats - I mean on day 1 of relaunch they make a stronger HP potion (probably the most classic RPG consumable item in the world). It's iconic and it leads down a dangerous path.

Edhelas_Naven

And so it begins!

Reading thier wording again a single stat crafted potion is certainly not the best crafted potions therfore this gives them a leeway in having a slightly better single stat potion on the crown store.

Do remember that you can combine three Restore Health Effects , for example, from 3 different reagents to boost the Restore Health Effect you get from the crafted potion. At V5 I would assume the OP have maxed Alchemy and can craft potions with three reagents but I asked him/her to check again whether the potion they crafted resulted from only 2 combined Restore Health Effect from 2 Reagents. If not, then craft a potion with 3 reagents with Restore Health Effect and compare with crown store.

However I do know that in 1.5 the above was the case. But in 1.6 i think combining three effects only increases the time the potion effect lasts. Not sure. I use an addon with favourite potions bookmarked and just craft what I need.

kungmoo

crafted potions give a longer buff than the store bought ones

crafted= 5778 with 40.3 second buff (with alchemy passive)
crown bought = 6820 with 18 second buff (with alchemy passive)

Elijah_Crow

Edhelas_Naven wrote: »

And so it begins!

Reading thier wording again a single stat crafted potion is certainly not the best crafted potions therfore this gives them a leeway in having a slightly better single stat potion on the crown store.

Do remember that you can combine three Restore Health Effects , for example, from 3 different reagents to boost the Restore Health Effect you get from the crafted potion. At V5 I would assume the OP have maxed Alchemy and can craft potions with three reagents but I asked him/her to check again whether the potion they crafted resulted from only 2 combined Restore Health Effect from 2 Reagents. If not, then craft a potion with 3 reagents with Restore Health Effect and compare with crown store.

However I do know that in 1.5 the above was the case. But in 1.6 i think combining three effects only increases the time the potion effect lasts. Not sure. I use an addon with favourite potions bookmarked and just craft what I need.

You are correct that it only increases the duration not the strength.

Suru

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

I disagree. There is no way the straight healing potions which are player crafted should be less powerful than what is in the Crown store. That's completely contrary to what has always been said about the consumables and potions in particular.

Who the hell crafts straight HP potions anyways lol.

Rosveen

Suru wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

I disagree. There is no way the straight healing potions which are player crafted should be less powerful than what is in the Crown store. That's completely contrary to what has always been said about the consumables and potions in particular.

Who the hell crafts straight HP potions anyways lol.

That is not the point. The point is that crown store potions weren't supposed to be stronger than equivalent crafted potions.

And so it begins...

Varicite

MissBizz wrote: »

I do see the issue.

We were told crafted potions would be better. I don't care about tri pots..

Bah.

We were also told they wouldn't put the Explorer's Pack on the Crown store.

Personally, I stopped believing anything ZOS says until it's in game and set in stone, and even then I remain skeptical.

At this point, they have actually contradicted themselves more times than they have followed through on anything. Impressive.