Nirnhoned Bug Abuse Now Rampant

Taonnor · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

Good Job!

Kuro1n · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

Oh thank god! Tired of getting hit for 12k overload light attacks.

Bashev · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

Great job ZoS!

LonePirate · March 2015

This fix will likely change the dynamics in Cyrodiil from what they have been during the past couple of weeks. It was certainly easy to recognized when a player was using this bugged trait.

Huntler · March 2015

Kuro1n wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

Oh thank god! Tired of getting hit for 12k overload light attacks.

Yeah that won't be changing friend.

Preyfar · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

Hurray! I can PVP again.

Weberda · March 2015

Before we celebrate lets see exactly what the results are.

GorraShatan · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

You always get to announce the good news.

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Kuro1n wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

Oh thank god! Tired of getting hit for 12k overload light attacks.

Yeah that won't be changing friend.

My hardcapped-even-when-spellres-debuffed-and-enemy-is-wearing-5-light spell resist says otherwise

. I had seen the news of this getting fixed with today's patch several days ago, and been looking forward to it.....

. It was night and day when someone was using the bugged nirnhoned weapon trait in Cyro compared to being hit by the same cookie-cutter mega-magicka overload build from someone who wasn't.

Valnas · March 2015

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

Bashev · March 2015

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

Huntler · March 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

Too bad their penetration mechanic doesn't actually reduce spell resists, instead it increases your damage to compensate for the spell resists you are "theoretically penetrating" which... well... has many issues. Including still increasing someones damage when they are already fully negating resistances.

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

This.

Tankqull · March 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

This.

nope ->

Huntler wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

Too bad their penetration mechanic doesn't actually reduce spell resists, instead it increases your damage to compensate for the spell resists you are "theoretically penetrating" which... well... has many issues. Including still increasing someones damage when they are already fully negating resistances.

this. and thats why you will see a significant dmg drop of magica users.

Bashev · March 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

This.

nope ->

Huntler wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

Too bad their penetration mechanic doesn't actually reduce spell resists, instead it increases your damage to compensate for the spell resists you are "theoretically penetrating" which... well... has many issues. Including still increasing someones damage when they are already fully negating resistances.

this. and thats why you will see a significant dmg drop of magica users.

It works the same way for armor penetration unless the skill states that it removes an exact number.

Tankqull · March 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

This.

nope ->

Huntler wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

If you have 40% penetration and I have 30k resists you will penetrate 30k*0,4 = 12k of my resists. That means I will have 18k resists.

Too bad their penetration mechanic doesn't actually reduce spell resists, instead it increases your damage to compensate for the spell resists you are "theoretically penetrating" which... well... has many issues. Including still increasing someones damage when they are already fully negating resistances.

this. and thats why you will see a significant dmg drop of magica users.

It works the same way for armor penetration unless the skill states that it removes an exact number.

i have no idea how it works for armor piercing as i´ve never tested it, but for "spellpierce" its working as huntler discribes wich is significantly different then valnas description.

AhPook_Is_Here · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that the bug with Nirnhoned will be fixed with today's maintenance.

I hope you guys are resetting the trial leader-boards as well. Wouldn't be bad to have a patch where they had some meaning beyond a guild knowing an exploit, be it a damage one like this or the ole door teleport in Hal'ra.

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

Great so now Sorcs will have to use more than Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc > Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc and of course when they are about to die Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak.

TheBull · March 2015

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

Yeah, a few people and I were working this a couple days ago. It appears penetration is pretty garbage, considering 650 armor = 1% mitigation.

The 650 armor = 1% reduction number came from someone in a random thread though. I would like to believe it is wrong.

danno8 · March 2015

TheBull wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

can anyone help my nub with mitigation mechanics? The prevelence of sharpened, and now nirn in the live meta's has really made it hard for me to see how penetration is intended to work in conjunction with armor. I alway thought it was like:

you have 32k+, 50% mitigation.

I have 18% + 5% + 5/10/20% ?(light armor value i'm not sure on) has me somewhere at 40+% penetration.

that should net you ~10% mit. 1 fracture debuff and you are effectively naked unless i'm mistaken.

Yeah, a few people and I were working this a couple days ago. It appears penetration is pretty garbage, considering 650 armor = 1% mitigation.

The 650 armor = 1% reduction number came from someone in a random thread though. I would like to believe it is wrong.

I actually tested it in game on the PTS a month ago or so. The number I got was around 650. This was before I found out the hard cap was 32k, which we know is 50%.

32000/50 = 640.

It seems to agree (roughly) with the number my tests produced.

Tankqull · March 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Great so now Sorcs will have to use more than Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc > Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc and of course when they are about to die Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak.

if you died to this you will be screwed further on.

Islyn · March 2015

What is the actual bug? I have a NH fire staff but I am not pvp-ing at the moment so am not and have not used it there. I mostly run dbl restos with whatever trait (infused I am bad with names but seems infused is the armour one and I am on my phone right now) that adds to enchantment and absorb mana glyphs. I just have a spare destro for solo/duo stuff or if need be.

asneakybanana · March 2015

Where's our fix to ravaging or the stamina version of nirn that procs on any stamina damage not just melee attacks. Getting 600 weapon damage 90% of the time allowing stamina users to push their weapon damage over 4k in certain situations. If both these are fixed then It would leave stam and mag. how they are now and IMO how they should be with stam being a little tankier but doing less damage and mag. being more damage but taking far more damage. The current setup is going to make stam the best dps, more tanky than light armor, and most mobile setup with the exception of sorcs.

Roechacca · March 2015

Nirnhoned's been fixed

http://youtu.be/sj4rzchQVRQ

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Great so now Sorcs will have to use more than Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc > Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc and of course when they are about to die Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak.

if you died to this you will be screwed further on.

Yea I guess if someone does from this they will have trouble. Looks like I found your strategy as a sorc. Salty much?

Tankqull · March 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Great so now Sorcs will have to use more than Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc > Light Attack > Streak > Shard Proc and of course when they are about to die Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak > Streak.

if you died to this you will be screwed further on.

Yea I guess if someone does from this they will have trouble. Looks like I found your strategy as a sorc. Salty much?

nope, neither am i salty nor have you the slightest clue how i play. but from your former statement its quite obvious how awefull your stategies must be when that play stayle is a problem for you, making you squeal about in this forum...