Yeah I have to keep trying. I like the werewolf to much to give up. Yeah I've seen hundreds of people in forums that agree with us about the toggle. I can't see them ignoring us for much longer

Still agree with the toggle. WW is good in shape for PvE. But due to the ridiculous short WW time it is still next to useless in PvP. In PvP you can't stop every kill to devour. You would be dead in seconds.

It's never going to be a toggle, so I'll settle for a 150-200 ult cost. I mean I would love for it to be lower, but it's obvious that's never going to happen.

i think you werewolves should get a toggle, period, not as a ultimate, the ultimate should be summoning some ww buddies or some regular wolves. however this comes at a price, a locked set of ablilities, nerfed of course to make up for the true, nonulti toggle, and you would get a bounty for using it in public. thats at least my take on it, but im a vamp, so i dont understand the WW struggle

Recently had a friend come back to the game who was super excited to be a WW, now all he does is complain how he never actually gets to be a WW while Vampires are running around using their skills in every fight.

I would be fine with WW becoming a toggle and feel we may actually see more players running around in WW form if this was the case.

Maybe add a poll to your post, but in short YES.

I would love to see the WW transformation becoming a toggled ability. In terms of balance I think it should remain in the Ultimate slot.

Has the development team ever considered this @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Shadow wrote: »

What are your opinions on this subject.

I believe it should be made into a toggle ability and remain occupying our ultimate slot. We all know it is possible (case in point sorcerers ultimate overload) and it really wouldn't make werewolves op in any way. I would like to have the time to run the wilds as a wolf or open chests and speak to npcs while questing and not worry about losing my transformation.

thats is a rly good idea. make it like overload ultimate

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Yes, but the same type of toggle Overload is.
(Not permanent, but based on the amount of Ultimate you have build up)

That could actually work really well. If it ticked down for each attack rather than on a timer.

I've had little to no problems staying in Werewolf form for PvE, and PvP. Sure PvP does pose far more difficulty, especially without a large group behind you, but for the most part, It's not nearly as concerning as the posts here make it out to be. If you can actually get a 'pack' of wolves in PvP, you're having part of the problem solved right there. The concept of werewolves is being together, grouped, and working as a team. Yes WW is a beautiful solo self-sustaining ultimate, but it's best used with a pack of werewolves.

Let me break it down for you Werewolves:

1. Heavy attacks keep your timer steady, and they also increase the duration you stay in form.
2. There are morphs that also help keep you in form even longer; The one that does so is the leap.
3. There is also the Pack leader morph of the ultimate, which in effect helps keeps allies in WW form even longer too.

If you can learn to perform heavy attacks, you will literally, 'never' run out of the WW form, and if you go so far to play with a pack leader, you can stay in the form really long without being worried about that timer. I've ran with a group of 4 WW's grinding in Spellscar, and it was awesome, fun, and not nearly as concerning as some players make it out to be.

I can actually stay in WW form for an hour at recorded times in PvE (Grinding, Dungeons, Questing).
Sure, you cannot just roam the entire continent (zone) in Werewolf form, but honestly the form is awesome, it's powerful, it's self-sustaining. I enjoy the timer frankly quite a lot (It's heavily skill based).

Having it as a toggle just doesn't seem fair, or make sense for being how it works amazingly well, as it stands. Lets also face something guys, getting the ultimate is not hard at all either, performing attacks, and being hit increases it every so seconds (You have passives that grant more ultimate depending on slaying creatures that are Daedric, undead, etc.). On top of the ultimate costs, the experience of being a WW isn't meant to be something light, you're a feral beast, no one person should be able to just toggle it on and off just to 'look' cool throughout Tamriel, it's really an 'ultimate' and you need to actually 'work' towards keeping the form.

If there is any advice I can give to you less fortunate skilled players, practice in a small dungeon that loops well. Do this for hours till you are able to literally maintain the WW form for as long as you'd like. I did this half a year ago, and that's when I mastered the WW form.

My conclusion is: No, I wouldn't bother making it a toggle. That would further reduce the attributes of the WW as it stands, just to cater to those who cannot utilize the 'skill' required for maintaining that timer.

Hope I've provided some information to help you all succeed in being a prominent werewolf, and utilize the game mechanics herein.

Toggle or no toggle, the main issue has always been the cost of the Ultimate when you also consider the timer(when not receiving damage) and the dps. Now, the WW is nowhere near as gimped as it was at launch(especially with the champion system), but it still cuts out most of your versatility that you otherwise would have if you stayed a human. Also, the WW dps is still not as high or providing any game changing utility as the other ULT choices that come at a far cheaper cost. I would guess that most here that want it as a toggle do NOT want it to be a 300 cost toggle.

There are no logical gameplay reasons for WW to continue being the most expensive ULT in the game. In most situations it's better to spam the cheaper, harder hitting, and more useful ults.

Isn't werewolf down time fairly short if you invest in a full ultimate reduction build? You wouldn't be using your main skills line only your werewolf skills so you could fill your bars with ultimate gen and defensive abilities.

Being a sorc, with saviors hide 5 piece, and gift of potentates 3 piece set ( 2 rings and 2 armor pieces left for customization) you get 58% total ultimate reduction. That should take it down to 136 ultimate needed. That doesn't seem like it would take a long time while using the sword and shield ultimate gen buff.

Granted this setup locks up a class choice and weapon choice although you could swap over to dual wield for more weapon power before the transformation.

If you are doing more damage in human form than werewolf form it may be that there's an issue with werewolf form's bonuses and not the duration that needs looking in to. If it was made into a toggle there may be balance concerns with all the ultimate reduction available solely for a werewolf.

With the current build you do know the only thing that making the form a toggle will change is allow us to run around in werewolf form while questing and looting and just generally exploring in wolf form.