I gotta say, PvP has gotten remarkably worse with this patch

Orchish · March 2015

I feel like i say this after every major patch, but PvP is a joke in it's current state. Fix the alliance indicators too.

Tintinabula · March 2015

and whats with this idiotic perma greyed out skill bar?

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · March 2015

They should just shut pvp down till they can fix it.

Tintinabula · March 2015

I have had to relog 7 times today to fix alliance tags.

Im done tell me when you fix your junk.

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO · March 2015

If you want to fix your alliance tags bug I got the fix that should work for you every time until it doesn't lol

Step 1. Under setting disable all health bars

Step 2. Alt F4

Step 3. Wait 2 minutes, take a quick bio

Step 4. Log back in, you should see your alliance tags back

Step 5. Re-enable the health bars

PS step 2 & 3 are very important, do not just log out.

Good hunting !

Derra · March 2015

Just turning everything off quit the game and relog then turn everything on works fine for me. alt-f4 works too when everything is set off.

gibous · March 2015

@Tintinabula I find that when you get the greyed out ability bar - press the sprint key and that should bring it back to normal. Not sure why, but that works for me.

Winnamine · March 2015

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you want to fix your alliance tags bug I got the fix that should work for you every time until it doesn't lol

Step 1. Under setting disable all health bars

Step 2. Alt F4

Step 3. Wait 2 minutes, take a quick bio

Step 4. Log back in, you should see your alliance tags back

Step 5. Re-enable the health bars

PS step 2 & 3 are very important, do not just log out.

Good hunting !

That sounds like a 5 minute minimum fix, assuming no load screen bosses and that you didn't get kicked out of Cyrodiil and then get to wait in queue again (especially a concern for EP).
I appreciate the work-around, but honestly they just need to fix this. It's not viable for a large pvp group to constantly have members logging off for 5+ minutes to fix their tags.
ZOS, I disabled my add ons, restarted my router, repaired my game, disabled my firewall, and vacuumed my living room - the problem is not client side, please please please, FIX MAH ****!

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO · March 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you want to fix your alliance tags bug I got the fix that should work for you every time until it doesn't lol

Step 1. Under setting disable all health bars

Step 2. Alt F4

Step 3. Wait 2 minutes, take a quick bio

Step 4. Log back in, you should see your alliance tags back

Step 5. Re-enable the health bars

PS step 2 & 3 are very important, do not just log out.

Good hunting !

That sounds like a 5 minute minimum fix, assuming no load screen bosses and that you didn't get kicked out of Cyrodiil and then get to wait in queue again (especially a concern for EP).
I appreciate the work-around, but honestly they just need to fix this. It's not viable for a large pvp group to constantly have members logging off for 5+ minutes to fix their tags.
ZOS, I disabled my add ons, restarted my router, repaired my game, disabled my firewall, and vacuumed my living room - the problem is not client side, please please please, FIX MAH ****!

O don't get me wrong this needs to get fixed ASAP, I only posted this to help people out in the immediate until they do fix this pvp breaking bug. Also your right this fix takes about 5 minutes. But it's better then having no tags for your entire play time. On another note, after I fixed it with the above method the bug did not seem to occur again during that session.

frozywozy · March 2015

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The only thing I dislike about this patch is the fact that they made it "Almost" impossible to melee fight zerg against zerg anymore. It is going to be possible again once we get enough champion points to spec accordingly. But right now, the only choice dragonknights have is a force pulse / crushing shock weaving battle.

Heavy Armor was supposed to bring more survivability and make it possible to tank. This is not happening yet. Every class still depends on shield stacking which is magicka related.

They should have brought new abilities from medium and heavy armor trees to increase block / dodge / evasion rating (stamina based), to compensate the lack of magicka for shield stacking.

The other fixes are great and no matter the remaining bugs, I am satisfied of the hard work of Zenimax.

Keep going!

Man, you should hire a build doctor or something. Builds are extremelyyy diverse now, and most Dk's I run with are significantly more tanky and pull more DPS.

I give ZoS an A+ on their build changes.

I don't need a build doctor, thank you.

Winnamine · March 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The only thing I dislike about this patch is the fact that they made it "Almost" impossible to melee fight zerg against zerg anymore. It is going to be possible again once we get enough champion points to spec accordingly. But right now, the only choice dragonknights have is a force pulse / crushing shock weaving battle.

Heavy Armor was supposed to bring more survivability and make it possible to tank. This is not happening yet. Every class still depends on shield stacking which is magicka related.

They should have brought new abilities from medium and heavy armor trees to increase block / dodge / evasion rating (stamina based), to compensate the lack of magicka for shield stacking.

The other fixes are great and no matter the remaining bugs, I am satisfied of the hard work of Zenimax.

Keep going!

Man, you should hire a build doctor or something. Builds are extremelyyy diverse now, and most Dk's I run with are significantly more tanky and pull more DPS.

I give ZoS an A+ on their build changes.

I don't need a build doctor, thank you.

How bout a build nurse?

Wrx makes a great nurse

Dekkameron · March 2015

Whilst i agree with the OP that pvp has become completely stupid.

I would also like to state my worry about how much this thread looks like some from /b/

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

PvP being basically unplayable most of the time has at least given me time to upgrade my Legerdemain line.

7 Medium + Improved Hiding 4/4 + Champion Passive should zero out my sneak costs entirely.

Tested with Improved Hiding + 7 Medium + 3 Nightshade zeros it out to the point that my Stamina regens while moving.

So at least there's that.

I am doing this for my char as well. I though that your stamina regen doesn't work while stealth moving though? Are you talking about when you just stop for a second and gain your stamina back?

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

The only thing I dislike about this patch is the fact that they made it "Almost" impossible to melee fight zerg against zerg anymore. It is going to be possible again once we get enough champion points to spec accordingly. But right now, the only choice dragonknights have is a force pulse / crushing shock weaving battle.

Heavy Armor was supposed to bring more survivability and make it possible to tank. This is not happening yet. Every class still depends on shield stacking which is magicka related.

They should have brought new abilities from medium and heavy armor trees to increase block / dodge / evasion rating (stamina based), to compensate the lack of magicka for shield stacking.

The other fixes are great and no matter the remaining bugs, I am satisfied of the hard work of Zenimax.

Keep going!

I agree with this. There should be abilities tied to each armor, unlocked at 5 pieces that allow for a greatly increased survivability in a particular area. Then you could just nerf shields altogether and make them mini buffs. The shield stacking in this game has become completely ridiculous.

Also, after nerfing shields more and increasing buffs to armor line abilities, they should also increase health values. This would give a better balance to the game I believe.

Dekkameron · March 2015

It annoys me that the heavy armour skill line that used to lower the cost of "breaking free" was moved around and whacked on CP as well as into a morph

Xsorus · March 2015

Shield Stacking General in this game got a huge buff last patch, even with the -15% added on to it.

Not only are the shields vastly more powerful then before.....They still can't be Crit, which means they're basically running around with the old benefit of Impenetrable while everyone else now has to deal with the fact that Impen now is bloody useless and everyone is perma critting everyone for stupid amounts....Throw in the fact that they reduced everyones HP and is there any reason shields didn't get more powerful?

Samadhi · March 2015

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

PvP being basically unplayable most of the time has at least given me time to upgrade my Legerdemain line.

7 Medium + Improved Hiding 4/4 + Champion Passive should zero out my sneak costs entirely.

Tested with Improved Hiding + 7 Medium + 3 Nightshade zeros it out to the point that my Stamina regens while moving.

So at least there's that.

I am doing this for my char as well. I though that your stamina regen doesn't work while stealth moving though? Are you talking about when you just stop for a second and gain your stamina back?

With 7 medium + 4/4 Improved Hiding Legerdemain + 3 piece Nightshade set (decrease detection radius by 2 meters. Reduce Sneak Cost by 23%) I can be in Sneak, cast Retreating Maneuvers and move around with my Stamina regenerating (very slowly, but still going up rather than staying still or decreasing) the entire time.
If they fix the /bug report am not sure how it will work out, but even with 7 Medium + 4/4 Improved Hiding is a huge bonus (89% reduce Sneak cost).
It has the added bonus of providing a nice boost to my Heavy and Light armoured builds as well.

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

PvP being basically unplayable most of the time has at least given me time to upgrade my Legerdemain line.

7 Medium + Improved Hiding 4/4 + Champion Passive should zero out my sneak costs entirely.

Tested with Improved Hiding + 7 Medium + 3 Nightshade zeros it out to the point that my Stamina regens while moving.

So at least there's that.

I am doing this for my char as well. I though that your stamina regen doesn't work while stealth moving though? Are you talking about when you just stop for a second and gain your stamina back?

With 7 medium + 4/4 Improved Hiding Legerdemain + 3 piece Nightshade set (decrease detection radius by 2 meters. Reduce Sneak Cost by 23%) I can be in Sneak, cast Retreating Maneuvers and move around with my Stamina regenerating (very slowly, but still going up rather than staying still or decreasing) the entire time.
If they fix the /bug report am not sure how it will work out, but even with 7 Medium + 4/4 Improved Hiding is a huge bonus (89% reduce Sneak cost).
It has the added bonus of providing a nice boost to my Heavy and Light armoured builds as well.

Yes, I am looking forward to seeing how this will help my character as well. Its the one good thing about the Leger line right now and 1.6 in general (one of the good things).

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Shield Stacking General in this game got a huge buff last patch, even with the -15% added on to it.

Not only are the shields vastly more powerful then before.....They still can't be Crit, which means they're basically running around with the old benefit of Impenetrable while everyone else now has to deal with the fact that Impen now is bloody useless and everyone is perma critting everyone for stupid amounts....Throw in the fact that they reduced everyones HP and is there any reason shields didn't get more powerful?

I am a Templar. I don't use Blazing Shield or any other type of damage shield's? What does that mean? Does that mean that I don't want to win in pvp? (LOL) What does that mean?

I guess we are supposed to use certain skills right? I mean it seems that way with 1.6. Run a damage shield or die.

TheBucket · March 2015

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Shield Stacking General in this game got a huge buff last patch, even with the -15% added on to it.

Not only are the shields vastly more powerful then before.....They still can't be Crit, which means they're basically running around with the old benefit of Impenetrable while everyone else now has to deal with the fact that Impen now is bloody useless and everyone is perma critting everyone for stupid amounts....Throw in the fact that they reduced everyones HP and is there any reason shields didn't get more powerful?

From my experience.. Everyone is a glass cannon at the moment. Even if you don't want to be. lol

eventide03b14a_ESO · March 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

You sound like you are (still) under the impression that PvP is something ZOS really cares about.

I know the feeling.

First they came for our deer and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Deer

Then they came for our torchbugs and I did not speak out—
For I was not a torchbug...

By the time they turned the Imperial City into a DLC PvE only zone,
No one spoke out because all the PvP'ers had already left the game.

I missed the part where they said it's now PvE. When did they decide this?

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Random thought-
ZoS decided after 1.6 in their infinite wisdom that I wanted my graphics settings on high when they are normally on medium. This was causing me to lag more than usual after 1.6. Now I dont doubt for one second lag could've gotten worse but checking if ur graphics settings changed is worth a look.

Graphics settings does nothing for ping.

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

They need to do away with PvP servers and make one Cyrodiil. Cut it into 4 maps; Dominion Battlefront, Pact Battlefront, Covenant Battlefront and the Imperial City/outskirts and increase the size of each map x2. Until they actually encourage people to get off of one server the performance on said server will be horrendous. When you play in Cyrodiil, it doesn't even feel like it is connected to the game in ANY way, other than the "passive" buffs, how does this "Alliance War" map affect the world? It doesn't. Where is our faction leaders and champions when our side is getting stomped back to the gates? Where is the world interaction from all zones that should be affected by this "Alliance War"? There is none.

Until they add depth in Cyrodiil and they make the actual Cyrodiil map meaningful other than PvP ranks and passive buffs, this PvP structure will stay bad and always will be bad.

Oh and do not try to say IC will add back to PvP because who are we kidding? All Alliances have their own buff servers, they will all have free access to it and will not have to work for it. ZOS is doing such a bad job with PvP structure in this game it is sad. The worst part is, the actual Player verse Player is phenomenal.....

Xsorus · March 2015

TheBucket wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Shield Stacking General in this game got a huge buff last patch, even with the -15% added on to it.

Not only are the shields vastly more powerful then before.....They still can't be Crit, which means they're basically running around with the old benefit of Impenetrable while everyone else now has to deal with the fact that Impen now is bloody useless and everyone is perma critting everyone for stupid amounts....Throw in the fact that they reduced everyones HP and is there any reason shields didn't get more powerful?

From my experience.. Everyone is a glass cannon at the moment. Even if you don't want to be. lol

A lot of that comes down to there being very little reason to play a Tank in the first place...Nirnhoned doesn't help sure..But when you can play a Burst Glass Cannon with equal survive-ability or greater simply by stacking shields..there is little reason to play an actual tank...

Draxys · March 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you want to fix your alliance tags bug I got the fix that should work for you every time until it doesn't lol

Step 1. Under setting disable all health bars

Step 2. Alt F4

Step 3. Wait 2 minutes, take a quick bio

Step 4. Log back in, you should see your alliance tags back

Step 5. Re-enable the health bars

PS step 2 & 3 are very important, do not just log out.

Good hunting !

That sounds like a 5 minute minimum fix, assuming no load screen bosses and that you didn't get kicked out of Cyrodiil and then get to wait in queue again (especially a concern for EP).
I appreciate the work-around, but honestly they just need to fix this. It's not viable for a large pvp group to constantly have members logging off for 5+ minutes to fix their tags.
ZOS, I disabled my add ons, restarted my router, repaired my game, disabled my firewall, and vacuumed my living room - the problem is not client side, please please please, FIX MAH ****!

you forgot to wipe the dust off your monitor

bsmorrowb14_ESO · March 2015

To add to all this, I dislike being steered towards PvE so I can be competitive in PvP. The rate at which you earn CP's in cyrodiil is ..... very very slow.

Samadhi · March 2015

Wrote in a ticket due to frequent 999+ pings since 1.6.

ZOS had me cycle my router and home network then perform a pathping.

After doing so, the pathping log showed a smooth connection out of my network and on all steps until it tried to reach server at the last step where it timed out.

Not surprised, but sent in the log in hopes that they will fix whatever is going on at the server.

Juraigr · March 2015

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The only thing I dislike about this patch is the fact that they made it "Almost" impossible to melee fight zerg against zerg anymore. It is going to be possible again once we get enough champion points to spec accordingly. But right now, the only choice dragonknights have is a force pulse / crushing shock weaving battle.

Heavy Armor was supposed to bring more survivability and make it possible to tank. This is not happening yet. Every class still depends on shield stacking which is magicka related.

They should have brought new abilities from medium and heavy armor trees to increase block / dodge / evasion rating (stamina based), to compensate the lack of magicka for shield stacking.

The other fixes are great and no matter the remaining bugs, I am satisfied of the hard work of Zenimax.

Keep going!

Man, you should hire a build doctor or something. Builds are extremelyyy diverse now, and most Dk's I run with are significantly more tanky and pull more DPS.

I give ZoS an A+ on their build changes.

Looooooooool builds aren't diverse everyone is running the exact same ***

bosmern_ESO · March 2015

Not to mention the increase AoE caps is also causing it to lag harder because the system has to do a lot more than what it used to.

If ZoS wants any of the people that come for PvP on march 17th they better do something and fast, I pvped for the first 3 days of 1.6 and haven't gone back because I could not play going near any keep under siege because It was just a massive lag fest.

Xsorus · March 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Not to mention the increase AoE caps is also causing it to lag harder because the system has to do a lot more than what it used to.

If ZoS wants any of the people that come for PvP on march 17th they better do something and fast, I pvped for the first 3 days of 1.6 and haven't gone back because I could not play going near any keep under siege because It was just a massive lag fest.

I don't think its AOE caps being gone, I can show you a video of a big ep zerg getting absolutely ripped to hell and back on Chillrend and not any lag happening. in fact from what i've played on chillrend, despite having equally large battles compared to Thornblade there is zero lag on there in comparison....So either its Thornblade itself..or someone doing something on thornblade thats causing the lag.

Oughash · March 2015

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Not to mention the increase AoE caps is also causing it to lag harder because the system has to do a lot more than what it used to.

If ZoS wants any of the people that come for PvP on march 17th they better do something and fast, I pvped for the first 3 days of 1.6 and haven't gone back because I could not play going near any keep under siege because It was just a massive lag fest.

I don't think its AOE caps being gone, I can show you a video of a big ep zerg getting absolutely ripped to hell and back on Chillrend and not any lag happening. in fact from what i've played on chillrend, despite having equally large battles compared to Thornblade there is zero lag on there in comparison....So either its Thornblade itself..or someone doing something on thornblade thats causing the lag.

This has been my experience, too. Again I will theorize that the Thornblade database has been shredded b/c of more constant use over time.