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Is dodge chance supposed to stack? If so, it's bugged.

Lonesniper
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Well the tl;dr version - it seem to not stack as of 1.6.3.

Now the long version:

I was curious if the "Major Evasion" buff and the "18% dodge chance while blocking" of the Hist Bark are stacking on the PTS giving you some fancy 38% dodge chance.

While writing this, i found out that here ZOS stated that dodge is supposed to stack. So this has to mean this is actually bugged.

Now I undestand that two abilities giving you "Major Evasion" are not supposed to stack as it's the same buff, but Hist Bark's tooltip tells nothing about the Major Evasion and with the caps removed from the game, in theory the percentages could stack - adding or multiplicative.

So I went on with some testing. Having found a mob which has one attack only (for some consistency). I let myself hit while blocking with full set of hist bark (18% dodge), with Mirage on (NB Assasination skill, gives you Major Evasion) and while blocking and having Mirage on (Major Evasion AND 18% dodge from Hist Bark)

Here are the numbers:

Major Evasion only:
200 hits
35 of them dodged
= 17,5% of hits dodged

Hist Bark only:
200 hits
40 of them dodged
= 20% of hits dodged.

Major Evasion + Hist bark:
200 hits
42 of them dodged
= 21% of hits dodged.

Now that looks like it doesn't stack at all. I mean some percent less or more is not significant as 200 is still quite a low number to test with. But for Major Evasion + Hist bark i was expecting a higher percentage, at least somewhere arond 30% if they dodge chances are to stack multiplicatively. So I tested with 500 hits:

Major Evasion + Hist bark:
500 hits
95 of them dodged
= 19% of hits dodged.

Still looks like they're not stacking.

I mean it's fine when they don't stack but then I think the wording of The Hist Bark set should change to "gives major evasion when blocking" to clarify.

You're welcome to comment on that, add your own thoughts, testings, and so on. Maybe I'm wrong, feel free to set things straight.

I'd love if someone could verify my testings and post his observations.

@ZOS_GaryA - mind dropping in here to clarify?

Greetings,

Viktor

Edit:

Tested with Shuffle, doesn't stack either.
Edited by Lonesniper on February 20, 2015 10:03PM
  • Domander
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    It would be great to have dev input on this.

    It's good to know either way, thanks for testing.
  • DeLindsay
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    Your results are the way it's always been, in that they don't stack. ZoS chimed in on another post about this months ago saying that they do in fact stack but multiple Player's testing said that's wrong and they don't stack. In 1.6 none of the same type of buffs are supposed to stack but since they left Hist Bark at 18% while boosting Dodge to 20% it's possible they're meaning for them to stack, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
  • Cody
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    According to people, it does not stack.

    would be nice if it did.
  • shadowcoder
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    Does anyone know if the stacking with the spectre`s eye set and major evasion work?

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  • technohic
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    Just spoke with Eric (Wrobel) and confirmed that increased dodge chance abilities do not stack.


    There you go.

    Although I guess this just confirms they don't which is different than if they should.
    Edited by technohic on March 10, 2015 7:19PM
  • phreatophile
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    They sure didn't in 1.5 even though a ZOS employee tried to tell us the did but wouldn't explain how since the numbers from multiple tests proved otherwise.

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/140557/dodge-chance-set-bonus-vs-shuffle-do-they-stack/p1

  • Pirhana7_ESO
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    They said the SAME type of buff would not stack. In Evasions case its major evasion 20% and minor evasion 5%.
    Hist Bark is not an evasion buff, it is its own ability from the set at 18% while blocking. there is no reason why this should not stack.
  • phreatophile
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    They said the SAME type of buff would not stack. In Evasions case its major evasion 20% and minor evasion 5%.
    Hist Bark is not an evasion buff, it is its own ability from the set at 18% while blocking. there is no reason why this should not stack.

    What you say should be correct, however evasion + blocking with Hist Bark will get you a maximum of 23%-25% Dodge not the 38% that you should get if they stacked.

    In fact you won't actually get 20% from evasion either. See the results in the thread I linked above.
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