AD Zone Chat on Thornblade

Gooey · February 2015

Kevinmon wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kevinmon wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

It was quite the debacle to say the least. I tried to communicate multiple times with the scroll runner and whatever group hes with, but that didn't happen at all.

Bad run, and waited 5+ minutes at an outpost. Thankfully we got it back.

Your form of communication was calling him a "Scroll Ninja" in zone chat and saying that he doesn't deserve to live.

You sir, are one of the most violent offenders of AD Toxicity, and need to search your soul.

I agree that zone chat needs to get more civil.
Tempers run high sometimes in pvp, but we still need to be more careful.
However.
This particular scroll runner actually does "ninja" scrolls on the regular. You take a keep, no sign of him, then, while everyone's still fighting or standing on the flags, boom! notification that said player has picked up the elder scroll of wherever.
Then he doesn't communicate with the group that actually did the work, runs off, often while we're still fighting, and almost invariably ends up losing the scroll.
So yeah, he gets a lot of heat. He's not a new player, he's an experienced pvper, so he should absolutely know better than to pick up a scroll unless he's in an organized group that's there to support him.
We plan out before we take a scroll, who will pick it up, what route we'll take, etc. All that planning goes out the window when that guy picks up the scroll and takes off with it.

You are completely full of yourself. First of all, the player in question has never run a scroll by himself, when he does it it's in a TS with 2 full raids of people supporting. Just because you helped with a keep capture doesn't mean you were the only group there.

Secondly, I have personally seen this player on multiple occasions, stay up late into the night and actually run practice routes for running scrolls back across the map. So saying he doesn't plan routes is asinide.

Lastly, the scroll in question was not a ninja scroll because blue ran it out of the keep and was taken out on the open field, so calling it a ninja is idiotic, end of story.

You are a piece of filth that should never respond to High Lord Winnimean. Pleb.

Rylana · February 2015

I am just going to make a couple of corrections to claims made in this thread.

1. On the night in question we did not have 2 raids, we had about 20 people. On our raid nights we often have 2 raids. I believe our esteemed colleague was referring to a night such as that.

2. We do scout, plan, and execute on the fly, but oftentimes we have preplanned run locations via known favorably terrain in advance. There are a lot of natural chokes in the field if one knows where they are. Frog is very good at knowing where those are.

3. We pulled a scroll tonight with 20 people (and successfully capped it), its obvious we know what we are doing. Also, nine times out of ten I am not the scroll runner but I am the route caller, so chances are if theres any error in route perceived by you all, I am the one to blame, not Frogblast.

4. We would have had the other one, but when we grabbed Ghartok there was a massive crash that logged half of the group out (as well as many others on both sides) and we lost it, luckily another group was there to pick it up and run it.

So at the end of the day, there was a serious lack of clear comms on this incident, a lot of entitled anger for whatever reason, and a guildie slandered for doing nothing wrong. (In fact I quite clearly told him "pick it up, ive got you covered, go into bleakers" cause it was just him and me on it). Id suggest to all parties, including those in TKO to just drop the subject, as its causing more harm than good at this point. We know we can do what we do, we have nothing to prove to anyone, and if anyone has an issue with what we do, then it is on them. We stuck it to EP tonight, AD has an emperor for the first time in ages, and things are moving along as they do.

Some groups are going to disagree no matter what you say, and thats just something that will be dealt with as it comes.

One last thing of note. We arent here to stick it to our faction, we arent trying to step on your toes, we arent trying to muck up the works. To us it doesnt matter who has the damn scroll so long as it gets home. No one offered to run it that day, they just wanted a scapegoat to blame, and thats the belief I am going to stick to, because as a faction we fail when guild tags are more important than objectives. Unfortunately for us in Tamriel Knight's Order, there are elements of the faction that believe their guild is the best guild in the game and only they "may" do things.

Rylana · February 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Kevinmon wrote: »

I would like to take everyone back to the original intent of this thread, which is to stop being toxic players in AD faction. Not only does that include Thornblade zone chat, that also includes this forum. It doesn't matter who carries a scroll, as long as it gets home. As stated earlier, the players in certain guilds decided to abandon a player in their faction because they were not in their group. This is unacceptable when everyone is on the same team. Just because you have a plan, does not mean it is the best plan.

You clearly don't get it, saying I doesn't matter shows that.

It DOES matter who gets the scroll. It DOES matter if you have a plan or not. It DOES matter whether or not you are with a group to execute that plan. It DOES matter if one players selfishness ruins the plan of the group who made the play for the scroll in the first place.

He was nowhere near any group other than Decibel when he picked up that scroll.

If you want things to be less toxic, admit when you're wrong and stop defending scroll ninjas.

Decibel is not the only guild that can run a scroll effectively. Once you accept that fact youre going to be just fine.

They also were not the only guild present where the scroll was pulled from, nor were they the only guild that intercepted the blue runner. Therefore the claim that Decibel had earned the right to carry by proximity is null and void. There were less than five people on the scroll carrier when he went down. Frogblast, myself, and three or so people whos affiliation and names I did not catch.

The ONLY REASON we even went into bleakers in the first place was to get assistance from those outside as we KNEW you all were behind us trying to catch up. Had we been trying to legit screw everyone over we woulda just let BBQ go.

Additionally, the scroll was in open field, this was not a planned assault on a keep, we were all scrambling to catch a runner out in the open. The rules of engagement do not exist in this situation, whoever gets it gets it, and the fact you even are trying to attack someone for grabbing a grounded scroll is idiotic at best.

Maybe if you got off your high horse and realized this wasnt about TKO vs Decibel you might see that fact.

Had it not been for Frog and myself? Good chance the scroll was already gone anyway. Our actions, for all the hate they seem to have generated, gave AD a second opportunity at an objective we had already failed to acquire. The gate trap didnt stop the runner, he was just past bleakers before we caught him. Just saying.

Tripwyr · February 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Also, nine times out of ten I am not the scroll runner but I am the route caller, so chances are if theres any error in route perceived by you all, I am the one to blame, not Frogblast.

So at the end of the day, there was a serious lack of clear comms on this incident, a lot of entitled anger for whatever reason, and a guildie slandered for doing nothing wrong. (In fact I quite clearly told him "pick it up, ive got you covered, go into bleakers" cause it was just him and me on it). Id suggest to all parties, including those in TKO to just drop the subject, as its causing more harm than good at this point. We know we can do what we do, we have nothing to prove to anyone, and if anyone has an issue with what we do, then it is on them. We stuck it to EP tonight, AD has an emperor for the first time in ages, and things are moving along as they do.

The route has never been the issue, at least from my end. The true issue, and the reason your 2nd quoted paragraph is patently false, is that an entire Decibel raid group killed the flag carrier in order to retrieve the scroll. Your group of 2, as you clearly state in the above quote, delusionally believed that they not only killed the scroll carrier (a group of 2 can not bring down a well supported AoEBBQ with Mist Form + Maneuvers) then took the scroll despite Decibel having killed the carrier with a well thought out plan for carrying it, and a designated carrier.

The problem was that a clearly unprepared player decided to pick up the scroll and run it despite not being properly optimized for the run. A well organized group was fully prepared to pick up and carry the scroll, but an unprepared player picked it up and subsequently lost it because they were not properly prepared or organized for the run.

Rylana · February 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Also, nine times out of ten I am not the scroll runner but I am the route caller, so chances are if theres any error in route perceived by you all, I am the one to blame, not Frogblast.

So at the end of the day, there was a serious lack of clear comms on this incident, a lot of entitled anger for whatever reason, and a guildie slandered for doing nothing wrong. (In fact I quite clearly told him "pick it up, ive got you covered, go into bleakers" cause it was just him and me on it). Id suggest to all parties, including those in TKO to just drop the subject, as its causing more harm than good at this point. We know we can do what we do, we have nothing to prove to anyone, and if anyone has an issue with what we do, then it is on them. We stuck it to EP tonight, AD has an emperor for the first time in ages, and things are moving along as they do.

The route has never been the issue, at least from my end. The true issue, and the reason your 2nd quoted paragraph is patently false, is that an entire Decibel raid group killed the flag carrier in order to retrieve the scroll. Your group of 2, as you clearly state in the above quote, delusionally believed that they not only killed the scroll carrier (a group of 2 can not bring down a well supported AoEBBQ with Mist Form + Maneuvers) then took the scroll despite Decibel having killed the carrier with a well thought out plan for carrying it, and a designated carrier.

The problem was that a clearly unprepared player decided to pick up the scroll and run it despite not being properly optimized for the run. A well organized group was fully prepared to pick up and carry the scroll, but an unprepared player picked it up and subsequently lost it because they were not properly prepared or organized for the run.

Yeah the raid killed their raid, but the runner and two others got through. He was gone, completely until Frog, myself, and like 2 sorcs (were you one of them? not sure) engaged him just south of the porch of bleakers. Once he was down, frog happened to be out of combat, grabbed it, ran into bleakers waiting for all of you to catch up so we could run it.

You never showed the hell up, we had no choice but to go it on our own. We had maybe 20-30 seconds before respawns from Aleswell were going to be breathing down our necks, and were gathering up for a run.

Why exactly in this moment did you abandon us? Its not like your supposed designated runner was even there yet. I mean no one asked frog to transfer the scroll did they? No, they just went on zone tirades about entitlement. Oh thats right, it was you pitching a fit the most.

Really you should have been thanking us for saving the day so to speak, as he was literally so far gone from the rest of the group back at the gate that those 4-5 people or so that did catch him were literally the last line of defense.

Tripwyr · February 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Also, nine times out of ten I am not the scroll runner but I am the route caller, so chances are if theres any error in route perceived by you all, I am the one to blame, not Frogblast.

So at the end of the day, there was a serious lack of clear comms on this incident, a lot of entitled anger for whatever reason, and a guildie slandered for doing nothing wrong. (In fact I quite clearly told him "pick it up, ive got you covered, go into bleakers" cause it was just him and me on it). Id suggest to all parties, including those in TKO to just drop the subject, as its causing more harm than good at this point. We know we can do what we do, we have nothing to prove to anyone, and if anyone has an issue with what we do, then it is on them. We stuck it to EP tonight, AD has an emperor for the first time in ages, and things are moving along as they do.

The route has never been the issue, at least from my end. The true issue, and the reason your 2nd quoted paragraph is patently false, is that an entire Decibel raid group killed the flag carrier in order to retrieve the scroll. Your group of 2, as you clearly state in the above quote, delusionally believed that they not only killed the scroll carrier (a group of 2 can not bring down a well supported AoEBBQ with Mist Form + Maneuvers) then took the scroll despite Decibel having killed the carrier with a well thought out plan for carrying it, and a designated carrier.

The problem was that a clearly unprepared player decided to pick up the scroll and run it despite not being properly optimized for the run. A well organized group was fully prepared to pick up and carry the scroll, but an unprepared player picked it up and subsequently lost it because they were not properly prepared or organized for the run.

Yeah the raid killed their raid, but the runner and two others got through. He was gone, completely until Frog, myself, and like 2 sorcs (were you one of them? not sure) engaged him just south of the porch of bleakers. Once he was down, frog happened to be out of combat, grabbed it, ran into bleakers waiting for all of you to catch up so we could run it.

You never showed the hell up, we had no choice but to go it on our own. We had maybe 20-30 seconds before respawns from Aleswell were going to be breathing down our necks, and were gathering up for a run.

Why exactly in this moment did you abandon us? Its not like your supposed designated runner was even there yet. I mean no one asked frog to transfer the scroll did they? No, they just went on zone tirades about entitlement. Oh thats right, it was you pitching a fit the most.

Really you should have been thanking us for saving the day so to speak, as he was literally so far gone from the rest of the group back at the gate that those 4-5 people or so that did catch him were literally the last line of defense.

That is completely false. Me and Teapot are the "two sorcerers" with our entire guild behind us. He was not "gone" by any means since our entire guild was seconds behind us, and in fact several attacked him before he went down.

How exactly did we not show up, with our guild being the one who cleared the entire blue raid, then ran in and attacked BBQ, then cleared the outside of bleakers alongside DiE?

You did not save the day, you dropped the scroll. Not only did BBQ have zero remaining support with 2 (3 if you include your group of 2) entire guilds chasing him, but we had a prepared vampire scroll runner who would not have died at the gate.

Rylana · February 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Also, nine times out of ten I am not the scroll runner but I am the route caller, so chances are if theres any error in route perceived by you all, I am the one to blame, not Frogblast.

So at the end of the day, there was a serious lack of clear comms on this incident, a lot of entitled anger for whatever reason, and a guildie slandered for doing nothing wrong. (In fact I quite clearly told him "pick it up, ive got you covered, go into bleakers" cause it was just him and me on it). Id suggest to all parties, including those in TKO to just drop the subject, as its causing more harm than good at this point. We know we can do what we do, we have nothing to prove to anyone, and if anyone has an issue with what we do, then it is on them. We stuck it to EP tonight, AD has an emperor for the first time in ages, and things are moving along as they do.

The route has never been the issue, at least from my end. The true issue, and the reason your 2nd quoted paragraph is patently false, is that an entire Decibel raid group killed the flag carrier in order to retrieve the scroll. Your group of 2, as you clearly state in the above quote, delusionally believed that they not only killed the scroll carrier (a group of 2 can not bring down a well supported AoEBBQ with Mist Form + Maneuvers) then took the scroll despite Decibel having killed the carrier with a well thought out plan for carrying it, and a designated carrier.

The problem was that a clearly unprepared player decided to pick up the scroll and run it despite not being properly optimized for the run. A well organized group was fully prepared to pick up and carry the scroll, but an unprepared player picked it up and subsequently lost it because they were not properly prepared or organized for the run.

Yeah the raid killed their raid, but the runner and two others got through. He was gone, completely until Frog, myself, and like 2 sorcs (were you one of them? not sure) engaged him just south of the porch of bleakers. Once he was down, frog happened to be out of combat, grabbed it, ran into bleakers waiting for all of you to catch up so we could run it.

You never showed the hell up, we had no choice but to go it on our own. We had maybe 20-30 seconds before respawns from Aleswell were going to be breathing down our necks, and were gathering up for a run.

Why exactly in this moment did you abandon us? Its not like your supposed designated runner was even there yet. I mean no one asked frog to transfer the scroll did they? No, they just went on zone tirades about entitlement. Oh thats right, it was you pitching a fit the most.

Really you should have been thanking us for saving the day so to speak, as he was literally so far gone from the rest of the group back at the gate that those 4-5 people or so that did catch him were literally the last line of defense.

That is completely false. Me and Teapot are the "two sorcerers" with our entire guild behind us. He was not "gone" by any means since our entire guild was seconds behind us, and in fact several attacked him before he went down.

How exactly did we not show up, with our guild being the one who cleared the entire blue raid, then ran in and attacked BBQ, then cleared the outside of bleakers alongside DiE?

You did not save the day, you dropped the scroll. Not only did BBQ have zero remaining support with 2 (3 if you include your group of 2) entire guilds chasing him, but we had a prepared vampire scroll runner who would not have died at the gate.

And instead of communication and gathering, you instead went on a five minute zone rant about how bad we all are, while we actually tried to get the scroll home. See in hindsight you can say all of these wonderful things, Trip, but I was there, and I know we were very exposed out in the open. I made the best call I could given the circumstances. Bleaks was yellow, get inside, get us all back together, profit.

We were told to go blue side, no one said anything about transferring scrolls, all it was was a big mass of "me so much betar than u unga bunga, you bad people play game not like i do hurr durr" and no real sense of trying to accomplish anything.

I can tell you this much. If it was indeed you, me, frog, and teapot there (as like I said i didnt catch the name of the other couple with us, ill take your word for it) we had about 20-30 seconds before all those guys killed at the gate were on top of us. And no dude, there was no one else even close to us, in fact once inside bleakers it was a full minute before the guys back at the gate got to us, because that was still a three way fight in progress.

Guildies in teamspeak were telling me there was still heavy fighting at the gate, wasnt going back that way, I saw no other option. Told frog to get inside, id watch the breach. A few AD trickled in, but no one offered to help or anything, just blasted at us. Perhaps the failure in communication wasnt ours. O_o

Im surprised we got it as far as we did actually. Had you guys been there? It was home, but you werent, you got mad and decided to watch us fail because it wasnt your brand name on the scroll? A bit petty isnt it?

And thats the exact reason why I say what I do about AD failing itself all the time. There were options on the table, but all people wanted to do was see TKO fail at something. Am I wrong?

Sidenote, our "group of two" was a group of 20, with most back helping clean up chalman gate where apparently red had shown up as well, the two of us were all that got to BBQ.

Imdrefan · February 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Also, nine times out of ten I am not the scroll runner but I am the route caller, so chances are if theres any error in route perceived by you all, I am the one to blame, not Frogblast.

So at the end of the day, there was a serious lack of clear comms on this incident, a lot of entitled anger for whatever reason, and a guildie slandered for doing nothing wrong. (In fact I quite clearly told him "pick it up, ive got you covered, go into bleakers" cause it was just him and me on it). Id suggest to all parties, including those in TKO to just drop the subject, as its causing more harm than good at this point. We know we can do what we do, we have nothing to prove to anyone, and if anyone has an issue with what we do, then it is on them. We stuck it to EP tonight, AD has an emperor for the first time in ages, and things are moving along as they do.

The route has never been the issue, at least from my end. The true issue, and the reason your 2nd quoted paragraph is patently false, is that an entire Decibel raid group killed the flag carrier in order to retrieve the scroll. Your group of 2, as you clearly state in the above quote, delusionally believed that they not only killed the scroll carrier (a group of 2 can not bring down a well supported AoEBBQ with Mist Form + Maneuvers) then took the scroll despite Decibel having killed the carrier with a well thought out plan for carrying it, and a designated carrier.

The problem was that a clearly unprepared player decided to pick up the scroll and run it despite not being properly optimized for the run. A well organized group was fully prepared to pick up and carry the scroll, but an unprepared player picked it up and subsequently lost it because they were not properly prepared or organized for the run.

Yeah the raid killed their raid, but the runner and two others got through. He was gone, completely until Frog, myself, and like 2 sorcs (were you one of them? not sure) engaged him just south of the porch of bleakers. Once he was down, frog happened to be out of combat, grabbed it, ran into bleakers waiting for all of you to catch up so we could run it.

You never showed the hell up, we had no choice but to go it on our own. We had maybe 20-30 seconds before respawns from Aleswell were going to be breathing down our necks, and were gathering up for a run.

Why exactly in this moment did you abandon us? Its not like your supposed designated runner was even there yet. I mean no one asked frog to transfer the scroll did they? No, they just went on zone tirades about entitlement. Oh thats right, it was you pitching a fit the most.

Really you should have been thanking us for saving the day so to speak, as he was literally so far gone from the rest of the group back at the gate that those 4-5 people or so that did catch him were literally the last line of defense.

That is completely false. Me and Teapot are the "two sorcerers" with our entire guild behind us. He was not "gone" by any means since our entire guild was seconds behind us, and in fact several attacked him before he went down.

How exactly did we not show up, with our guild being the one who cleared the entire blue raid, then ran in and attacked BBQ, then cleared the outside of bleakers alongside DiE?

You did not save the day, you dropped the scroll. Not only did BBQ have zero remaining support with 2 (3 if you include your group of 2) entire guilds chasing him, but we had a prepared vampire scroll runner who would not have died at the gate.

And instead of communication and gathering, you instead went on a five minute zone rant about how bad we all are, while we actually tried to get the scroll home. See in hindsight you can say all of these wonderful things, Trip, but I was there, and I know we were very exposed out in the open. I made the best call I could given the circumstances. Bleaks was yellow, get inside, get us all back together, profit.

We were told to go blue side, no one said anything about transferring scrolls, all it was was a big mass of "me so much betar than u unga bunga, you bad people play game not like i do hurr durr" and no real sense of trying to accomplish anything.

I can tell you this much. If it was indeed you, me, frog, and teapot there (as like I said i didnt catch the name of the other couple with us, ill take your word for it) we had about 20-30 seconds before all those guys killed at the gate were on top of us. And no dude, there was no one else even close to us, in fact once inside bleakers it was a full minute before the guys back at the gate got to us, because that was still a three way fight in progress.

Guildies in teamspeak were telling me there was still heavy fighting at the gate, wasnt going back that way, I saw no other option. Told frog to get inside, id watch the breach. A few AD trickled in, but no one offered to help or anything, just blasted at us. Perhaps the failure in communication wasnt ours. O_o

Im surprised we got it as far as we did actually. Had you guys been there? It was home, but you werent, you got mad and decided to watch us fail because it wasnt your brand name on the scroll? A bit petty isnt it?

And thats the exact reason why I say what I do about AD failing itself all the time. There were options on the table, but all people wanted to do was see TKO fail at something. Am I wrong?

Sidenote, our "group of two" was a group of 20, with most back helping clean up chalman gate where apparently red had shown up as well, the two of us were all that got to BBQ.

This is completely from my perspective in the heat of the moment.

I was one the people from our raid that was following BBQ we were right next to him the whole time as he was mistforming away he eventually ran out of resources after we gave chase and he went down. Within a few seconds everyone else was there and we were preparing to pick up the scroll and FB had the scroll before the dust settled.

To me, it seemed like he jumped in and grabbed it away from us since I personally didn't see you guys there.
I can't speak for everyone in DB but I think that's where the frustration came from is that it seemed like "we want to get it first so we can run it" I'm not saying that was your intension that's just what it looked like.

Sacadon · February 2015

I do think it works to ADs benefit to focus on retaining players. This means giving existing players a reason to stay and promoting a Zone chat environment that retains the type of new players we want. This is usually the type of player that doesn't get rattled easily by a bunch of bickering or hazing in chat, because it's everywhere and those more resilient tend to not drown in it.

Issues between guilds, like any dirty laundry are preferably worked between said leaders directly and not in forums, but sh@ happens.

The guilds that seem egotistical may in fact be, we all are to certain extent. What I've seen though, is trust and respect that has been slowly earned over time based on how we handle ourselves. Credibility is a funny thing, it can take years to earn and seconds to destroy. And no one gets it just for free or in this case just for being a member of the AD faction.

I wasn't there, but if someone diverted from the plan, plus has a historic pattern of doing "things" let's say (aka: low credibility). Then it makes sense why they might get left behind. There's a very good reason why leaders in real wars leave defectors behind.

Ahhh... if only there were such things as facts where people are involved to save us from ourselves, but there's just not... only individual perceptions and credibility between each other.

Sacadon · February 2015

If you've not seen this post, it's also worth consideration IMO: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/151860/hatred-in-pvp

Tripwyr · February 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Also, nine times out of ten I am not the scroll runner but I am the route caller, so chances are if theres any error in route perceived by you all, I am the one to blame, not Frogblast.

So at the end of the day, there was a serious lack of clear comms on this incident, a lot of entitled anger for whatever reason, and a guildie slandered for doing nothing wrong. (In fact I quite clearly told him "pick it up, ive got you covered, go into bleakers" cause it was just him and me on it). Id suggest to all parties, including those in TKO to just drop the subject, as its causing more harm than good at this point. We know we can do what we do, we have nothing to prove to anyone, and if anyone has an issue with what we do, then it is on them. We stuck it to EP tonight, AD has an emperor for the first time in ages, and things are moving along as they do.

The route has never been the issue, at least from my end. The true issue, and the reason your 2nd quoted paragraph is patently false, is that an entire Decibel raid group killed the flag carrier in order to retrieve the scroll. Your group of 2, as you clearly state in the above quote, delusionally believed that they not only killed the scroll carrier (a group of 2 can not bring down a well supported AoEBBQ with Mist Form + Maneuvers) then took the scroll despite Decibel having killed the carrier with a well thought out plan for carrying it, and a designated carrier.

The problem was that a clearly unprepared player decided to pick up the scroll and run it despite not being properly optimized for the run. A well organized group was fully prepared to pick up and carry the scroll, but an unprepared player picked it up and subsequently lost it because they were not properly prepared or organized for the run.

Yeah the raid killed their raid, but the runner and two others got through. He was gone, completely until Frog, myself, and like 2 sorcs (were you one of them? not sure) engaged him just south of the porch of bleakers. Once he was down, frog happened to be out of combat, grabbed it, ran into bleakers waiting for all of you to catch up so we could run it.

You never showed the hell up, we had no choice but to go it on our own. We had maybe 20-30 seconds before respawns from Aleswell were going to be breathing down our necks, and were gathering up for a run.

Why exactly in this moment did you abandon us? Its not like your supposed designated runner was even there yet. I mean no one asked frog to transfer the scroll did they? No, they just went on zone tirades about entitlement. Oh thats right, it was you pitching a fit the most.

Really you should have been thanking us for saving the day so to speak, as he was literally so far gone from the rest of the group back at the gate that those 4-5 people or so that did catch him were literally the last line of defense.

That is completely false. Me and Teapot are the "two sorcerers" with our entire guild behind us. He was not "gone" by any means since our entire guild was seconds behind us, and in fact several attacked him before he went down.

How exactly did we not show up, with our guild being the one who cleared the entire blue raid, then ran in and attacked BBQ, then cleared the outside of bleakers alongside DiE?

You did not save the day, you dropped the scroll. Not only did BBQ have zero remaining support with 2 (3 if you include your group of 2) entire guilds chasing him, but we had a prepared vampire scroll runner who would not have died at the gate.

And instead of communication and gathering, you instead went on a five minute zone rant about how bad we all are, while we actually tried to get the scroll home. See in hindsight you can say all of these wonderful things, Trip, but I was there, and I know we were very exposed out in the open. I made the best call I could given the circumstances. Bleaks was yellow, get inside, get us all back together, profit.

We were told to go blue side, no one said anything about transferring scrolls, all it was was a big mass of "me so much betar than u unga bunga, you bad people play game not like i do hurr durr" and no real sense of trying to accomplish anything.

I can tell you this much. If it was indeed you, me, frog, and teapot there (as like I said i didnt catch the name of the other couple with us, ill take your word for it) we had about 20-30 seconds before all those guys killed at the gate were on top of us. And no dude, there was no one else even close to us, in fact once inside bleakers it was a full minute before the guys back at the gate got to us, because that was still a three way fight in progress.

Guildies in teamspeak were telling me there was still heavy fighting at the gate, wasnt going back that way, I saw no other option. Told frog to get inside, id watch the breach. A few AD trickled in, but no one offered to help or anything, just blasted at us. Perhaps the failure in communication wasnt ours. O_o

Im surprised we got it as far as we did actually. Had you guys been there? It was home, but you werent, you got mad and decided to watch us fail because it wasnt your brand name on the scroll? A bit petty isnt it?

And thats the exact reason why I say what I do about AD failing itself all the time. There were options on the table, but all people wanted to do was see TKO fail at something. Am I wrong?

Again, just constantly misinformation and lack of awareness of the game. The Blues we killed at the gate were over 2 minutes away because we owned Bleakers and Chalman was under siege, there was absolutely zero chance of BBQ being reinforced.

Again, completely false. Our whole group was following less than 5 seconds behind us when the scroll was picked up, and we were standing on top of it when BBQ died. WRX made the call in TS "don't stand on the scroll, clear the rest around it". When you ran into Bleakers, we were already clearing all the blue outside of it.

I was with you all the way to the gate Ash gate and cleared the gate ahead of you, after which point we broke off because it was clear. Unfortunately because Frogblast is not a vampire, you were completely incapable of handling a small bomb group and dropped it. Bomb groups like that are extremely effective at nuking down a group then picking off those who trickle in behind, but they are completely incapable of chasing once the scroll gets out of the group. This is, again, why vampires excel.

Rylana wrote: »

cause it was just him and me on it

Rylana wrote: »

Sidenote, our "group of two" was a group of 20, with most back helping clean up chalman gate where apparently red had shown up as well, the two of us were all that got to BBQ.

It hasn't even been 1 day, how can your memory shift from 20 people there, to 2 people there, to 20 people there?

gw2only1b14_ESO · February 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Kevinmon wrote: »

I would like to take everyone back to the original intent of this thread, which is to stop being toxic players in AD faction. Not only does that include Thornblade zone chat, that also includes this forum. It doesn't matter who carries a scroll, as long as it gets home. As stated earlier, the players in certain guilds decided to abandon a player in their faction because they were not in their group. This is unacceptable when everyone is on the same team. Just because you have a plan, does not mean it is the best plan.

You clearly don't get it, saying I doesn't matter shows that.

It DOES matter who gets the scroll. It DOES matter if you have a plan or not. It DOES matter whether or not you are with a group to execute that plan. It DOES matter if one players selfishness ruins the plan of the group who made the play for the scroll in the first place.

He was nowhere near any group other than Decibel when he picked up that scroll.

If you want things to be less toxic, admit when you're wrong and stop defending scroll ninjas.

You know on Ebon side a 9 yr old girl picked up the scroll at warden and ran it back to Drake and not 1 player on Ebon cried True story Bros

JDar · February 2015

This thread got the green circle of death and it's still not closed. Amazing.

It got even worse after OP was posted. Then we crowned emp and red got they scrolls took. Has been super bro since about 4 AM.

Bouvin · February 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

2.) they aren't used to the teamwork mentality that is so important to organized guilds.

And the organized guilds can help fix this issue by being more inviting.

Just my 2 cents (and not saying all are like this).

OtarTheMad · February 2015

This thread is what is wrong with AD... can it be closed already.

Maybe AD can go into group therapy together and we can figure it out there.

JDar · February 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

2.) they aren't used to the teamwork mentality that is so important to organized guilds.

And the organized guilds can help fix this issue by being more inviting.

Just my 2 cents (and not saying all are like this).

All it takes is a whisper and a smiley

to get the guild leaders snookered. That's how they let baddies like me on their TS server.

C0pp3rhead · February 2015

Just roll EP.
Problem solved.

DezIsDead · February 2015

It's not always as bad as people make it out to be, just a lot more anger lately than usual

Cogo · February 2015

If you think its bad now. Wait for the "OMG ITS FREE TO PLAY ESO!!!" people to arrive....

All_Bizniz · February 2015

LMFAO! wow the AD faction is a joke!.... a full blown circus. Glad i got out when i did

Darnathian · February 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Greagor wrote: »

pvp guilds do nothing special and dedicated at the moment.. and this is your problem AD. We are getting upset because without organised groups we can't do much against zergs. SO .. instead of blaming that one guy who messed up once... look at the score and lets have a little bit more dedication in general.

This is incorrect. AD's problem is that the people not in pvp guilds do relatively nothing. Essentially what I would call them are ult gen feeders. Whereas pugs on DC and EP are somewhat adept at swarming organized groups and spreading out to prolong the fight, AD pugs are completely annihilated the very moment that just even the thought of looking in their general direction creeps into the mind of any such organized group on DC and mainly EP. Very regularly multiple guilds will make it to a keep defense to find only a few players there. Where are the pugs? No one knows the answer to that question. AD can be pop locked and 10 people will show up to defend a keep against 80. Simply put, AD pugs are incompetent. Not to be mean to any single person, but it's just the truth by an overwhelming majority.

Editing to add in this story of AD pugs... when fighting Crystalized's group at a resource every now and then a few and sometimes more than a few would die to archer/siege fire while they are running around. What happens next is that his group will swing around to stack on top of those players and res them. What I saw at least 5 times before I went to do something else was that AD would stop attacking and literally watch them res their dead instead of taking advantage of their opportunity to actually do something. I don't know if they all got scared and ran away once they were inside bow range or something... but what the hell? Step up to the plate and put some *** big boy pants on ffs.

Also, the guilds do do some coordination, and the last couple of campaigns has seen little animosity between them.

Dammit the secret is out. You have to Rez the dead to win now. Why are you outing this info out publicly? Lol

Crash1873 · March 2015

How about have some fun, minor stuff is being taken too seriously... this is an example of that.... its a videogame.... winning is one thing, being a straight ICE HOLE to other people because they don't play your way is another.

Fivefivesix · March 2015

Sooo when is the implosion scheduled to happen?