Valn wrote: »

Irrelevant.

It's the gear you really wanna worry about. Hist bark is probs the best tank gear u can craft

Huh? how is it not relevant? when i last played the game get 3k health was a chore. and on top of that im a sorc, and a tank. So il asking again what is the basic hp and resits required to tank in eso now?

35,600 Armour/Spell Resistance is 50% mitigation cap if that information is helpful for you.

derpsticks wrote: »

Also depends on your class and race or else any numbers thrown around in this thread might not be applicable.

Just know that 32500 armor = 50% mitigation which it the cap. You can get more armor, but it won't do much unless you use it as a buffer to counteract armor debuffs.

So heavy amour is the only way to go now then correct?

Is it 35600 or 32500 to reach 50% mitigation? I was under the impression that 650 armor or spell resistance was 1% mitigation.

You don't need to be in all heavy, but you should be in at least 5h / 2m or 5m / 2h with better ways to buff yourself.

For most content you'll want lots of stam just to be on the safe side.

derpsticks wrote: »

Health and stam enchants should do. Remember to get a new mundas buff if you arnt using one that is for tanking.

hmm so now i have to reverse the build, as before i did a large mana pool and high regin on stamina, not i need to reverse it to high regin pool on mana and high stamina pool, now my next thing is what are we going for as far as stamina what a good amount to have?

My bad on the numbers for 50% mitigation, sorry about that.

About 20k HP (you can be a little under (I'm at 19k)) and Armor/Spell Resist of over 20k is good. Add Immovable and the 25k+ mitigation makes blocking optional. From there it is a matter of having a little self-healing and the good sense to know when blocking/dodging is actually required.

As for tanking in other armors, Medium Armor needs to focus on evasion, Light Armor on damage shields. Can't provide ways to achieve that, as I have been Heavy Armor since day 1.

Tonturri wrote: »

I shoot for 30k health, 31k and then a smidgen more with the Entropy morph thingy (which isn't even fully trained up yet). My DK tank has 24k spell res, 27k armor. No res/armor enchants on jewelry, no CPs in armor/spell res passives. With purple food, 15k magicka, 30k health, 10k stamina. 12k magicka, 28.8k health, 8.7k stamina without food buff.I tanked normal DSA on her earlier perfectly fine - it also was my first time tanking her, and 1st time on the last boss. I heard there's a build out there that has 41k armor, but still messing around with that...

Bosmer racials/werewolf helps with stamina regens. Mage Mundus, I run full heavy armor, 5 Hist 4 Alessia's Bulwark.

That all said, I'd really appreciate it if someone went into more detail about the stam pools people are recommending...I only asked for the Templar shards once during the entire run. But, I haven't extensively tanked trials yet - is that where the 'lots of stam needed' is coming from?

Regular dsa or Vet dungeons wont punish you too badly.

I run 1k magicka regen and 800 stam regen with 2 block cost reduction glyphs.

You don't need more than 29 or 30k health for non sanctum ophidia content. SO you may want higher health and absolutely must have capped armor. Even vet dsa is fine with 28000 or so armor as long as spell resist and other effects are taken care of.

I run 5 footman, 5 hist, 2 blood spawn for the hardest tank check (sanctum). In vet dsa I run 5 seducer heavy as the magicka management is needed for chains and other effects. The complete nerf of inner fire means chains into pierce is your main technique with inner rage saved for high priority targets.

I have 14k magicka and 18k stam with food. I am imperial and 30k 14k 18k wont happen if you aren't. Non imperial I'd have those stats but 15k stam.

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Jaerlach wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

I shoot for 30k health, 31k and then a smidgen more with the Entropy morph thingy (which isn't even fully trained up yet). My DK tank has 24k spell res, 27k armor. No res/armor enchants on jewelry, no CPs in armor/spell res passives. With purple food, 15k magicka, 30k health, 10k stamina. 12k magicka, 28.8k health, 8.7k stamina without food buff.I tanked normal DSA on her earlier perfectly fine - it also was my first time tanking her, and 1st time on the last boss. I heard there's a build out there that has 41k armor, but still messing around with that...

Bosmer racials/werewolf helps with stamina regens. Mage Mundus, I run full heavy armor, 5 Hist 4 Alessia's Bulwark.

That all said, I'd really appreciate it if someone went into more detail about the stam pools people are recommending...I only asked for the Templar shards once during the entire run. But, I haven't extensively tanked trials yet - is that where the 'lots of stam needed' is coming from?

Regular dsa or Vet dungeons wont punish you too badly.

I run 1k magicka regen and 800 stam regen with 2 block cost reduction glyphs.

You don't need more than 29 or 30k health for non sanctum ophidia content. SO you may want higher health and absolutely must have capped armor. Even vet dsa is fine with 28000 or so armor as long as spell resist and other effects are taken care of.

I run 5 footman, 5 hist, 2 blood spawn for the hardest tank check (sanctum). In vet dsa I run 5 seducer heavy as the magicka management is needed for chains and other effects. The complete nerf of inner fire means chains into pierce is your main technique with inner rage saved for high priority targets.

I have 14k magicka and 18k stam with food. I am imperial and 30k 14k 18k wont happen if you aren't. Non imperial I'd have those stats but 15k stam.

forgive me but how was inner fire nerfed? the increased the range of the base skill to the full 28 meters and now all versions of it have that range. if its the stam cost... just pick inner beast like i do, which still uses magicka..

they changed it because of how popular the one was, making all versions like it and giving us new options for either a stam or a magicka version.

the new inner beast is effectively both previous morphs combined now.... how is that a nerf to anything in that skill?

Inner beast used to be a cost reduction morph. Inner rage costs vastly more resources than before and you can no longer use it to easily taunt all targets. This is really important in dsa where you could pick up all foes as they crossed the arena.

gota ask how are people getting 32k armor? i got all v14 heavy with2 armor bonuses on the sets and i get about 23k? u perma run buffs? most reinforced

DeLindsay wrote: »

There's no need for 30K+ Health or gigantic pools of Stamina. I run about 25K Health Tanking in PvE and I have zero issues whatsoever, even as a Vampire. I'm hard capped in combat, actually a tad bit over 32,500 but who's counting. I also use Whitestrake's for it's Shield and that has saved me more times than I can count. I have ~21K Magicka and ~14K Stamina with (1) Shield Play Glyph and (2) Mag cost reduction and that setup is about as close to perfect resource wise as I can get right now with only 77 Champ Points. This is without using Siphoning Attacks as a NB for ST Boss fights, I do use SA for AOE and still resource burn some times. If I had to say what are good values to shoot for in PvE they'd be this:

• Hard cap (32,500) Armor/Resistance - even if you require both Major/Minor Wards to get there.
• 25K+ Health - only if you ARE hard capped, more if you are NOT.
• Mag/Stam - This is something you will have to play with to find out how much based on your Tank style.

Jaerlach wrote: »

Inner beast used to be a cost reduction morph. Inner rage costs vastly more resources than before and you can no longer use it to easily taunt all targets. This is really important in dsa where you could pick up all foes as they crossed the arena.

Inner Rage (the Magicka morph) can in fact be used to Taunt multiple NPC's if you have high enough Magicka pool and double cost reduction Glyphs. It's also wise to use this morph so that you have both a Stamina Taunt (Pierce Armor) and a Magicka Taunt just in case you burn out of 1 Resource pool.

I think this is only good information to a certain point. If you intend to tank veteran DSA or tank in Sanctum Ophidia, what you describe is unlikely to be successful. I would not want to see a 25k health anything tank the Serpent's Image, especially builds not using Footman's Fortune. That guy routinely chunks me for 12-15k health with some of the very best block mitigation in the game (armor cap, footman+dk passive+heavy passive+sb passive for blocking additional damage, etc).

You can tank most content in this game with a huge variety of setups - I run 5 pc seducer, 5 footman for non-Sanctum content including vet DSA, and only have 27000 armor while doing so. If you're trying to hardcap your armor, its a waste of your time unless you intend to tank some very specific bosses.

Inner rage cannot be used close to as often as inner beast could pre-patch. I used to routinely maintain aggro on 8-12 targets at at time while tanking SO trash packs, including retaunts on priority targets, and not fall below 20% magicka. Even in 5 seducer, I struggle to maintain more than 4-5 targets now. Inner rage costs about 400% more of your resource pool than it used to, when its cost was often a similar value to your magicka recovery statistic.

It sounds to me like you are not tanking Sanctum trash packs or veteran DSA rounds. In those situations, you need to taunt every mob. In most content, you can miss 10-15% of mobs and it is fine. In SO and VDSA, a single free mob will one-shot your DPS. The inability to have everything taunted before they reach the party is a substantial nerf to a very important skill. There are workarounds - I chain+taunt everything, and save inner rage for high priority/cc immune targets, but its much, much harder than it used to be, and much more resource intensive, making it harder to use abilities like dark talons to keep mobs still to taunt them.

Whitestrake's set does not belong on a trials tank.

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

About 20k HP (you can be a little under (I'm at 19k)) and Armor/Spell Resist of over 20k is good. Add Immovable and the 25k+ mitigation makes blocking optional. From there it is a matter of having a little self-healing and the good sense to know when blocking/dodging is actually required.

As for tanking in other armors, Medium Armor needs to focus on evasion, Light Armor on damage shields. Can't provide ways to achieve that, as I have been Heavy Armor since day 1.

you would never be able to do it in damage shields they cost too much

My sorc vehemently disagrees, and he wears 5 heavy/ 2 light. Never has magicka issues.

Brandalf wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

About 20k HP (you can be a little under (I'm at 19k)) and Armor/Spell Resist of over 20k is good. Add Immovable and the 25k+ mitigation makes blocking optional. From there it is a matter of having a little self-healing and the good sense to know when blocking/dodging is actually required.

As for tanking in other armors, Medium Armor needs to focus on evasion, Light Armor on damage shields. Can't provide ways to achieve that, as I have been Heavy Armor since day 1.

you would never be able to do it in damage shields they cost too much

My sorc vehemently disagrees, and he wears 5 heavy/ 2 light. Never has magicka issues.

See i was thinking about doing something vary simmler to that, but again im testing stuff i need to re-find my tank style. il post again when i have my build completed im working on it right now

25K min health and....
DK, just 5 heavy armor and a shield
Templar, just 5 heavy armor and a shield and good mana
Sorc and NB..... now that is the real question.