The funny thing is they have made invisible potions last about 12 secs while dark cloak still last 2.9. The ironic thing it that the potions do not work on the pts.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

If you want to be a magicka nightblade, use things like cripple and strife and play like the caster you're supposed to, stop trying to pretend you're a melee character.

Read the TES lore about nightblades. Read at least your ingame class description. Then, come back and give me reals arguments to say that melee magicka NB would not exist in the TES world

Played with a guildy the other day playing a NB.

He was all kinds of upset about that 80% dodge chance he was pulling off...

NB nerfed? You're kidding, right?

Brandalf wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

As a Stamina NB this is good. Screw you NBs wearing robes...dumbest thing ever.

Might wanna brush up on your Nightblade lore there bud.

Pretty sure a ninja doesnt use Gandalfs stave and robe to go assassinating.

DDuke wrote: »

To be honest, I feel stamina NB & magicka NB are now more balanced.


Pre-1.6, you had your magicka NBs that could be extremely tanky and have the burst similar to stamina NBs.

Post-1.6, stamina is likely going to surpass magicka in terms of burst damage, but will still be squishier and easier to kill.


What I don't like however, is that NBs seem to be the weakest class in stealth burst damage now with the Hemorrhage nerf & no access to "Major Brutality", "Major Force" or "Major Berserk".

I picked Nightblade specifically to play a stealth focused rogue character, but now it turns out to be the worst class for it...

Hemorrhage nerf?

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Grim Focus morph still has stam regen, however now it is 10% at level 4.

The biggest nerf to NBs though is the undocumented change to the Catalyst passive. It used to increase potion effectiveness by 30%. Now it gives you 8 Ultimate when you use a potion. Utter crap.

As a side note, Argonians also had their racial passive that increased potion effectiveness nerfed. Seems like potion effectiveness was something that got the axe with 1.6

@ThatNeonZebraAgain concur, please provide feedback on the PTS forum too. It really sucks because the good thing about potion use was it being dynamic and used situationally, I want bonus to apply to what I am using a potion for be it damage, restoration, invis, detection, etc, not for other things.

Sylvyr wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Grim Focus morph still has stam regen, however now it is 10% at level 4.

The biggest nerf to NBs though is the undocumented change to the Catalyst passive. It used to increase potion effectiveness by 30%. Now it gives you 8 Ultimate when you use a potion. Utter crap.

As a side note, Argonians also had their racial passive that increased potion effectiveness nerfed. Seems like potion effectiveness was something that got the axe with 1.6

@ThatNeonZebraAgain concur, please provide feedback on the PTS forum too. It really sucks because the good thing about potion use was it being dynamic and used situationally, I want bonus to apply to what I am using a potion for be it damage, restoration, invis, detection, etc, not for other things.

Yeah but now potions are buff focus so It kind of different from what they use to be. Increasing potion effectiveness is on the champion system so I think thats why they change it plus the Argonian passive is not that bad since I can get 6% max of Health, Magicka, Stamina on top of what ever potion I use. So I can use weapon crit potion I can get health, magicika and stamina or use a tri pot and get a bigger increase on health, magicka and stamina.

I currently play a hybrid Nightblade, using DW and rotating resto staff/bow, depending on the situation, along with the appropriate gear. All this while keeping my attributes at all health. I play mostly with dual dagger attacks and mixing in some magicka-based class abilities that scale off weapon damage and weapon crit. I rely on a lot of stamina and magicka regeneration getting all my stats from armor and passives, using low-cost abilities, and a lot of powerful crit sneak-attacks, and stealth. Of course we all know that with the new changes in 1.6, that those magicka abilities (Teleport, Veiled, Assassin Blade) will now scale with spell power and spell crit, but will be able to be morph into stamina-based physical damage.

As a hybrid Nightblade, I was excited about this idea when I heard it. I've always liked the idea of the dagger-wielding assassin, but didn't fully predict what that meant of the class in 1.6. After testing the game, I'm not too sure the hybrid style of gameplay will be as viable as the way I play my character. Especially in pvp. With the way the Champion System is placed, focusing on a certain attribute, and often a particular constellation, seems more beneficial than splitting the points between physical and spell damage, stamina and magicka.

With that being said, I feel that the stamina-based Nightblade, the one who uses the new morphs (Ambush, Killer's Blade, Surprise Attack, Extraction) are at a much greater disadvantage than the players who use the magicka morph version of those abilities and stack spell power. Before, I was able to rely on low-cost DW stam abilities, and use magicka for burst melee damage and preserve stam for rolling/blocking/sneaking. All while doing physical damage. With as much regeneration as I have at softcap, I am able to drain stamina using bow attacks, then switch to powerful magicka attacks until I am spent there. By that time, my stamina is back up and I can keep attacking or block or dodge if I have to. But with certain stam morphs, I feel it will be very difficult to manage your stamina using the same abilities if you're used to the assassin playstyle.

I feel magicka-based Nightblades will have more survivability in a fight and seem to have more mobility. I can't really see a stam Nightblade using Cripple or Concealed Weapon, now that it scales off spell power and spell crit (and every player that uses Concealed for the invisibility speed bonus took a huge kick in the nuts now that it doesn't do weapon crit anymore). I think that most magicka NBs will have a resto staff on their bar, and I just don't see a stamina NBs having the type of spell power or magicka pool to compete at that game. Especially if they use their magicka to cloak or mark or fear, and CPs in the stamina constellation.

Stamina NBs may just become the snipers in the shadows after 1.6. A one-trick pony. If they are unable to kill in their first burst, then it's cloak and bye-bye. As for a magicka NB, I feel they will be able to outlast any fight, using DoTs, siphoning health and movement speed, fear, but still benefiting from the NBs signature melee attacks. Impale (the best morph, imo) is still a magicka ability. But with Killer's being a stamina morph, there may be some stamina users that want to use it. Concealed Weapon still does the same damage as Surprise Attack, only this time it's spell damage. And if you want it to hit hard, you have to focus on magicka and increasing spell crit. But magic NBs can do it while blocking and rolling all over the place.

As far as nerfs, the Hemorrhage passive seems to be a big nerf to the class. The Ultimate, Consuming Darkness, got a nerf. However, the buff to Soul Tether and the no-cost teleport to Shadow Image is friggin' killer.

Yup, thanks to Ambush and Killer's Blade going stamina, I'm not sure how to proceed on my magicka build.....

I tried replacing those with some Mage's Guild abilities on the PTS and it took forever to kill anything compared to what I have on the live server.

Hey I just bought the game a couple of days ago and I'm only level 13 right now but I chose Nightblade but im having a hard time figuring out the most efficient build to level with...at first i started with dual wielding, but then i just recently switched to bow and started playing around it it and just going with the bow I'm wearing a mixture of all armors medium/heavy/light so i can level them all up.

right now I put 8 into health and im putting the rest into stam...that and 2 days ago I got someone to give me a vampire bite so I want to beable to finish that too before the vampirism runs out the guy said using bow would be the best way to do and he gave me a level 14 daedric flame blow with some attack speed on it so i'm gonna try to do that at level 15.

any advice and help would be greatly appreciated everything ive been reading has been outdated...so im having trouble picking out the most efficient "build" to level with.