Nightblade 1.6 Nerf

Nietzsche95 · January 2015

Zenimax can easily fix this. They should just make killer's blade, surprise attack and any other NB class abilities that use melee weapons stamina based. That would mitigate much of the damage being done.

Kerioko · January 2015

all the melee NB abilities have stam morphs!

Erondil · January 2015

Celless wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

I did but since EU players dont get their char copied, I can't really try out all I would. NB melee magicka got huges nerfs, I've already explain why. Nobody can deny that.
Pst: If you want crazy damages go stam 2h, momentum+dawnbreaker give bonuses for your class skills. Ppl wont block with the new block cost. And you got 3* more armor (ok normal) ANd spell resist than Light armor (a non-sense). Just a tip. Something I wont do because Im not a fotm player.

This makes perfect sense now with all the crying threads. I'd be willing to wager many are from EU Players who are just reading the patch notes (since they don't yet have Char copy on PTS) and haven't actually tested the changes on PTS yet. I didn't even think about EU Players on the Forums. I'm not saying EU Players are bad, but if they are JUST reading the patch notes and haven't tested builds yet on PTS then complaining about this or that on the forums is wasting your time.

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Btw I lvld those skills on PTS, and I really saw that my spec got nerfed. Huge nerf.

I had a longer response ready and for seeking clarification, but I read Ambush + Surprise Attacks + Dodge = 0 stamina and no need to go to the 1.6 PTS. We were even told earlier by one of you that Sap Essence lost its heal.

None of us can persuade you if you're speculating from patch notes and not reacting from 1.6 PTS experience.

Please put your long rrsponse. I said it, I tested on PTS.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

Kerioko wrote: »

NB 41K burst dps, sustain is about 10-15K running bow and two-handed with buffs from rally, evil hunter, reapers mark & grim focus

That pretty much the same live its on live, 4,1k burst crit from stealth and 1k to 1,5k sustained dps onb pve boss or mammoth test subject
though it doesnt change any of my problems with my magicka melee pvp build...

Xsorus · January 2015

2hd full heavy armor nightblades are actually pretty beast now

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

2H suggests Stamina and from experiences from PTS ya Stamina is drained in a few seconds just by blocking some Skill to mitigate Damage...

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

Did you already noticed that Mass Hysteria and Shades both gives the Minor Damage Reduction and so we cant get both of them?

Draehl · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Did you already noticed that Mass Hysteria and Shades both gives the Minor Damage Reduction and so we cant get both of them?

Good point, but this is honestly a skill I would sub-out for one another depending on if it's a boss or not.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

Yeah, because you are a PvE Player...
I need to use both skills in PvP. Shades for Port and Hysteria for CC so what now...

Volla · February 2015

Sounds like the perma blockers is a memory only in 1.6.
im happy they finally made something about the perma right click skill classes. Now you have to start to use your skill in a more various ways.

Bouvin · February 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

This patch actually makes nightblades a viable class to play. Just because you can now make a stam based nb doesn't mean its been nerfed. Night blades for the good end of this deal with sorcs close behind. Magicka builds were only prominent on NBS because steam builds were broken. They are now effective.

Night blades are getting a huge buff.

Now if you had been crying about how some of the night blade passives are complete *** such as shadow barriers change. I would support your claim. But you're crying over a buff.

Except for the running out of stamina in half a second even while stacking stamina and regen.

Bouvin · February 2015

Father wrote: »

The only nerf I see (for me), is veil of blades dmg reduction.
Everything else is a huge Buff.

Not sure if I wanna keep concealed wep or impale, need to say goodbye wrecking blow and welcome surprise attack / ambush sneak opener

This fits my build soooo much

If all you did was read the patch notes maybe.

Go try to PvP.

Bouvin · February 2015

Kerioko wrote: »

NB 41K burst dps, sustain is about 10-15K running bow and two-handed with buffs from rally, evil hunter, reapers mark & grim focus

How do you bring up the damage meter in FTC?

Cody · February 2015

Volla wrote: »

Sounds like the perma blockers is a memory only in 1.6.
im happy they finally made something about the perma right click skill classes. Now you have to start to use your skill in a more various ways.

now its all about damage shield spam/stack.

Araxleon · February 2015

Magicka NB works insanely well after some practice on PTS I put the new build under alot of strain and its working great BUT this build does rely on cloak actually working atm it works on PTS (good enough)
but if they break it like they did last time when it goes live the build will be crap in a sense

(cloak is amazing for magicka builds *its not necessary, but it helps us avoid enough damage to make it relevant)

Sneak_Thief · February 2015

Im just happy my Bosmer NB is useful for stealing ^_^

Erondil · February 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

Magicka NB works insanely well after some practice on PTS I put the new build under alot of strain and its working great BUT this build does rely on cloak actually working atm it works on PTS (good enough)
but if they break it like they did last time when it goes live the build will be crap in a sense
(cloak is amazing for magicka builds *its not necessary, but it helps us avoid enough damage to make it relevant)

Need my char copied to try out the build I have in mind. But suprprise attack and ambush stamina without any scale on magicka still bad. Btw does damages buffs from entropy and grim focus stack?

Erondil · February 2015

And is light armor viable anymore?

Cody · February 2015

Erondil wrote: »

And is light armor viable anymore?

it is very viable. Damage shield spam/stack is stronger than ever in PTS, and the cost reduction offered by LA will be a huge help to damage shield builds.

LegacyDM · February 2015

Like it or not they are nerfing magicka NB. They are now forcing magicka NB to pick the crappy morphs if they still want to use magicka based skills. For example, now I am forced to pick crappy lotus fan over ambush.

Lynx7386 · February 2015

If you want to be a magicka nightblade, use things like cripple and strife and play like the caster you're supposed to, stop trying to pretend you're a melee character.

Sharee · February 2015

Wahee wrote: »

Stamina NB actually is in a decent place if you can manage to up your regen rates. The problem, as always, is a total lack of damage shields in a world dominated by shield spamming. You can't spam a hot to stay alive.

This. Unless this is fixed, either by nerfing shield spam or introducing a stamina-based shield into the game, stamina NB's will always be hurting in any fight where the opponent starts to fight back.

What good is a 40% armor/resist debuff to me, what good is a high crit rate, when it all hits a shield that ignores both? And i spend more resources on the attacks that destroy the shield than the enemy spends on renewing the shield?

Bah.

Durham · February 2015

Nightblades got buff overall one of the biggest... Templars fared the best...

Sorces got hit hard and DKs without insane ultimate regen + battle roar are much easier to fight ... Temps are extreamily good ATM..

helediron · February 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

.. snip...
How do you bring up the damage meter in FTC?

There is a keybind for it.

Alphashado · February 2015

I have just read this entire thread. I can understand the concerns from people that play a magicka built melee NB.

But I can tell you this: I am absolutely LOVING my stamina built NB right now on the PTS. She feels like the rogue I've always wanted her to be. I used to convince myself that when she was wearing cloth and carrying a staff that she was some kind of "Ninja" or "Magical Assasin".

I am tearing through mobs like a crackhead assassin right now on the PTS. Ambush alone is nearly a one-shot kill from stealth. Reapers Mark is borderline OP with the no-risk debuff and MASSIVE heal. Reaper's Mark/Surprise Attack is a one-shot kill.

I am still using some magicka based abilities like Sap Essence, Impale.

I am tearing through public dungeon mobs using Sap Essence/Whirling Blades/Soul Tether. (Haven't tried Spell Scar yet. She is only V2, so that was challenging even on live)

Yes, the nerf to VoB kinda sucks, but it's still useful for groups as the 30% dmg reduction still applies. The buff to Soul Tether is amazing.

The only change I hate is the Ult gain. What a terrible idea this was, but that's a blanket nerf to all classes.

I dunno. I am loving it. And believe me, I have zero interest in sticking up for ZoS right now.

Just my two cents.

Sharee · February 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

I have just read this entire thread. I can understand the concerns from people that play a magicka built melee NB.

But I can tell you this: I am absolutely LOVING my stamina built NB right now on the PTS. She feels like the rogue I've always wanted her to be. I used to convince myself that when she was wearing cloth and carrying a staff that she was some kind of "Ninja" or "Magical Assasin".

I am tearing through mobs like a crackhead assassin right now on the PTS. Ambush alone is nearly a one-shot kill from stealth. Reapers Mark is borderline OP with the no-risk debuff and MASSIVE heal. Reaper's Mark/Surprise Attack is a one-shot kill.

I am still using some magicka based abilities like Sap Essence, Impale.

I am tearing through public dungeon mobs using Sap Essence/Whirling Blades/Soul Tether. (Haven't tried Spell Scar yet. She is only V2, so that was challenging even on live)

Yes, the nerf to VoB kinda sucks, but it's still useful for groups as the 30% dmg reduction still applies. The buff to Soul Tether is amazing.

The only change I hate is the Ult gain. What a terrible idea this was, but that's a blanket nerf to all classes.

I dunno. I am loving it. And believe me, I have zero interest in sticking up for ZoS right now.

Just my two cents.

Oh pve for a stamina NB is fine. I only have a template NB there (no EU copy yet) and i was cautiously trying to fight mobs. Started in rift fighting solo v10's, then groups, then soloed a dolmen without a scratch, then moved on to craglorn, wiped two hornet nests at once, cleared spellscar, killed some bosses both lower and upper, fought a nirncrux mine for half an hour because i did not know i am supposed to do something besides killing mobs, and i finally met the end of my crusade when i could not solo the arena - but i still got a couple kills there before biting the dust.

Thing is, none of these targets were spamming shields...

Shader_Shibes · February 2015

I got my stamina aoe rotation rdy, which is unreal if i do say so myself, take 0 damage from craglorn wasp mobs, or any mob, now to work on my st rotation.

Wahee · February 2015

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

I got my stamina aoe rotation rdy, which is unreal if i do say so myself, take 0 damage from craglorn wasp mobs, or any mob, now to work on my st rotation.

Brawler FTW

Shader_Shibes · February 2015

Lol, its amazing.

Has it always been this good?

Alphashado · February 2015

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Lol, its amazing.

Has it always been this good?

I am VERY happy with my Bow/DW build, but I am gonna have to take a closer look at 2H it seems.